#1 Overall Defense

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:25 am

After 2 weeks, the Redskins are still at #1 in total defense and still #1 against the run. They slipped to #10 against the pass.

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redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:36 am

thanks for the info.J.H. hopefully the "D" can keep it going until or offense wakes up ..... whenever that might be ?? :cry:

redskindave · Post by **redskindave** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:28 am

Our defense is awesome, If we get the offense going and score some points, The Redskins will be fine HTTR

curveball · Post by **curveball** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:42 am

Being #1 doesn't mean a whole lot at this point in the season. Dallas has the #1 offense right now and no one really believes that they are an offensive juggernaut.

It has much more to do with the teams that each has played, Tampa and the Giants might have two of the worst offenses in the league.

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:52 am

Still Curveball, I'd rather be #1 after playing 2 weak teams than #28 after playing 2 powerhouses. Feel me?

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:17 am

I love that at least one of the sides of the ball is dominant.

Like Fred Smoot said: "Defense wins championships, offense sells tickets." :lol:

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:32 am

Jake wrote:Like Fred Smoot said: "Defense wins championships, offense sells tickets."

How true.

curveball · Post by **curveball** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:14 pm

Justice Hog wrote:Still Curveball, I'd rather be #1 after playing 2 weak teams than #28 after playing 2 powerhouses. Feel me?

Oh, I understand your point, but being #1 in any category only brings out the worst in some posters. (It ruined some decent Cowboys boards last year when the Carter loving trolls ran roughshod after an impressive MNF game and #1 offensive ranking).

I see terms thrown around like "dominant" "best defense in the league". Washington's D has played well, especially when compared to some of their previous incarnations, but looking at numbers this early really leaves a skewed outlook.

Take the D for what it is, improved over last season with the potential to be pretty good.

Skin by Grace · Post by **Skin by Grace** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:00 pm

I see terms thrown around like "dominant" "best defense in the league". Washington's D has played well, especially when compared to some of their previous incarnations, but looking at numbers this early really leaves a skewed outlook.

Take the D for what it is, improved over last season with the potential to be pretty good.[/quote]

I totally agree

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:10 pm

Curveball. Excellent points...and I, for one, don't talk a whole lot of trash about the state of our defense. I was just pointing out our position in the rankings....especially on run defense. Us Skins fans are used to bringing up the rear on run defense...so it's kinda nice, even after only 2 games, to see us among the top defensive teams in that regard.

As the weeks pan out, I am sure the Redskins rankings will slip....but, like you said, it is clear that this year's defensive squad is head and shoulders above previous years' squads.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:13 pm

Justice Hog wrote:Curveball. Excellent points...and I, for one, don't talk a whole lot of trash about the state of our defense. I was just pointing out our position in the rankings....especially on run defense. Us Skins fans are used to bringing up the rear on run defense...so it's kinda nice, even after only 2 games, to see us among the top defensive teams in that regard.

As the weeks pan out, I am sure the Redskins rankings will slip....but, like you said, it is clear that this year's defensive squad is head and shoulders above previous years' squads.

Yes, and it is also clear that the defense isn't weak, as has been stated by other 'Boys fans who apparently didn't bother to watch the game or even look at the stats before proclaiming such.

skin_to_the_bone · Post by **skin_to_the_bone** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:05 pm

redskindave wrote:Our defense is awesome, If we get the offense going and score some points, The Redskins will be fine

I completely agree. If our D stays consistant and our offense quits making turnovers we'll be set.

Texas Hog · Post by **Texas Hog** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:29 pm

I believe it's too early to trust any statistics.

Cowboys Fanatic · Post by **Cowboys Fanatic** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:39 pm

cvillehog wrote:
Justice Hog wrote:Curveball. Excellent points...and I, for one, don't talk a whole lot of trash about the state of our defense. I was just pointing out our position in the rankings....especially on run defense. Us Skins fans are used to bringing up the rear on run defense...so it's kinda nice, even after only 2 games, to see us among the top defensive teams in that regard.

As the weeks pan out, I am sure the Redskins rankings will slip....but, like you said, it is clear that this year's defensive squad is head and shoulders above previous years' squads.

Yes, and it is also clear that the defense isn't weak, as has been stated by other 'Boys fans who apparently didn't bother to watch the game or even look at the stats before proclaiming such.

Common agreement - Yes you're defense is better then last year and previous years for awhile, but as far as stats...don't get to excited to fast. We have the #1 offense.... :roll:

yeah right. If we end up with a top 10 offense by the time the year is over I will be happy...seriously.

Your defense is improved no doubt, BUT do expect let downs. Expect one this Monday...yes I'm saying that as an optimistic Boys fan, but also our O has been frustrated by not getting into the endzone, while moving the ball at will. I expect some things to click Monday.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:08 pm

Cowboys Fanatic wrote:Common agreement - Yes you're defense is better then last year and previous years for awhile, but as far as stats...don't get to excited to fast. We have the #1 offense.... yeah right. If we end up with a top 10 offense by the time the year is over I will be happy...seriously.

Your defense is improved no doubt, BUT do expect let downs. Expect one this Monday...yes I'm saying that as an optimistic Boys fan, but also our O has been frustrated by not getting into the endzone, while moving the ball at will. I expect some things to click Monday.

That is just your optimism speaking. You have no basis by which to state that the Cowboys will have any better luck scoring this week than in past weeks. If you aren't affraid of our defense, you should be. Just like I'm affraid of our offense... :shock:

I firmly believe that the only way the 'boys win this game is if the 'Skins hand it to them (like they handed the Giants the last game). If we come out and play Redskins football, you guys are toast (and you know it)!

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:11 pm

this year's coaching is head and shoulders above last year's

Cowboys Fanatic · Post by **Cowboys Fanatic** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:27 pm

cvillehog wrote:
Cowboys Fanatic wrote:Common agreement - Yes you're defense is better then last year and previous years for awhile, but as far as stats...don't get to excited to fast. We have the #1 offense.... yeah right. If we end up with a top 10 offense by the time the year is over I will be happy...seriously.

Your defense is improved no doubt, BUT do expect let downs. Expect one this Monday...yes I'm saying that as an optimistic Boys fan, but also our O has been frustrated by not getting into the endzone, while moving the ball at will. I expect some things to click Monday.

That is just your optimism speaking. You have no basis by which to state that the Cowboys will have any better luck scoring this week than in past weeks. If you aren't affraid of our defense, you should be. Just like I'm affraid of our offense...

I firmly believe that the only way the 'boys win this game is if the 'Skins hand it to them (like they handed the Giants the last game). If we come out and play Redskins football, you guys are toast (and you know it)!

You are also entitled to your optimism...that's why we play the game. I'm seriously not afraid to put our O against your D...I'll tell ya what does scare me is looking back on boys vs. skins tradition and seeing that wehn the boys have gone to the playoffs and the skins have sucked that the hogs always get up for the boys and visa versa...(all off the top of my head), but the year you guys won it all we sucked, but beat you twice...at that point we could care less about our record. That alone is what makes it such a great rivalry...gotta play the games.

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:27 pm

I feel very good about this Defense. We have been dominating on the rushing yard and are forcing teams to pass.

curveball · Post by **curveball** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:49 pm

skinsfaninroanoke wrote:this year's coaching is head and shoulders above last year's

Couldn't agree more, without Gibbs, you're staring 0-2 in the face.

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:15 am

curveball wrote:Being #1 doesn't mean a whole lot at this point in the season. Dallas has the #1 offense right now and no one really believes that they are an offensive juggernaut.

It has much more to do with the teams that each has played, Tampa and the Giants might have two of the worst offenses in the league.

We could still be happy about it.

ChillWill · Post by **ChillWill** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:20 pm

Our "D" has been dominant against 2 pretty lack luster offenses. This week will be a much better indication of where we are.

la73hof · Post by **la73hof** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:29 pm

ChillWill wrote:Our "D" has been dominant against 2 pretty lack luster offenses. This week will be a much better indication of where we are.

I agree..here's a little something I found for ya

Bryant has 11 catches for 166 83 yards per game
Glenn has 11 catches for 174 87 yards per game
Keyshawn 11 catches for 168 84 yards per game
Witten 9 catches for 99 yards 49.5 yards per game

PLEASE BLITZ!!!

la73hof · Post by **la73hof** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:36 pm

Inside the Numbers... C.Portis analysis
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Portis has the barry sanders effect on his team... the majority of his runs are for low yardage totals, with a big run or 2 a game. not exactly what you want out of your RB. He does make some big runs but certianly not worht Champ Baily + a second rounder IMHO.

Game1:
3 or less yards: 20 rushes
4+ yards: 10 rushes
Game2:
3 or less yards: 13 rushes
4+ 7 rushes

Game1
64,21,16,9,7,7,5,5,5,4,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,2,2,2,1,1,1,1,0,0,0,-1,-2,-4,,

minus: 3
0-3: 17
4-10: 7
10+: 3

167 on 30 carries - 5.5 yards per rush

Game2
21,11,8,6,5,5,4,3,3,2,2,2,1,1,1,1,1,0,-2,-1,
minus: 2
0-3: 11
4-10: 5
10+: 2

74 yards on 20 carries 3.7 yards per rush\

Totals:

50 rushes for 241 yards
minus: 5
0-3 : 28
4-10: 12
10+ 5

66% of Portis' rushes have resulted in negative plays to a gain of 3 yards

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:41 pm

la73hof, thanks for the advice, I'm pretty sure we will blitz often ;-)

Thanks for the breakdown on Portis as well. I've been meaning to do that myself, but was too lazy =P

I'm pretty damn happy with Portis so far. He's been thru 2 games in a brand new offense for the team, and has played pretty well. Your right, he does show Barry Sanders type moves, except for the running backwards thing...He's been very efficient in blocking and has even shown the desire to go out of his way more than most RBs to get to a defender. We've probably implemented about 20% of our offense so far and nobody is clicking yet. I can't wait to see how he performs the last half of the season, and especially next season.

I'm so bleeping happy with this trade I can't put it into words. Getting a franchise back who does everything well for a cancerous guy who was leaving anyway plus a 2nd round pick was the steal of the last ten years at least. Especially when you consider what such a great back means to Joe Gibbs offense. Everything comes from the run in Joe's offense, and we definitely got a guy who fits with Gibbs offense.

gibbsfan · Post by **gibbsfan** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:45 am

i like the defense overall .they are playin pretty well for the most part except for the giants game at times (missed tackles.

that second quarter was crazy-cause thats the only time the giants got all their points. still being down by 6 we were still in it at the time. 7 turnovers .

defense i do like their energy.