Redskins Sign Jones, Waive Minnifield

andyjens89 · Post by **andyjens89** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:56 pm

The Redskins announced today that they have signed free agent cornerback David Jones. In a corresponding move, the Redskins also waived/injured rookie cornerback Chase Minnifield

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Well... so much for Minnifield

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:38 pm

andyjens89 wrote:
The Redskins announced today that they have signed free agent cornerback David Jones. In a corresponding move, the Redskins also waived/injured rookie cornerback Chase Minnifield
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Well... so much for Minnifield

Well for this year any way

Chase Minnifield suffered a setback in his surgically repaired knee late in the offseason.

The Redskins announced that the once-promising undrafted rookie had been waived/injured.

Minnifield recently had another "procedure" performed on his knee. "He's not going to be physically able to come back during the season," said Minnifield's agent. "He's going to be out a year." Considering the severity of the injury, Minnifield should clear waivers to land on injured reserve.

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Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:44 pm

This is only ONE story they wanted us to know until now.

That secondary has some serious question marks on the starters, let alone depth. I hope they work together well and they hold throughout the season without injuries. We might have to keep an eye on who else gets cut from other teams for depth.

That cap money taken away certainly does not help.

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:47 pm

Is there any reason why we couldn't have moved him directly to IR?

skinpride1 · Post by **skinpride1** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:16 pm

Secondary will be the attention of next years offseason. Hoping the new coach makes a difference and will keep building like hasslet did. We need the secondry players to step up.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:54 pm

yupchagee wrote:Is there any reason why we couldn't have moved him directly to IR?

My guess is they don't want him to count against the 90 and it is unlikely a team will claim him like the Pats did with TE Jake Ballard.

Bill Belichick:

"If a player's on waivers, he's on waivers," Belichick said at his Wednesday press conference in Foxborough, Mass. "Ours or anybody else's. I don't know what 'unwrittens' you're talking about. Look, anytime you put a player on waivers, you know there's 31 teams that can take him. We all know that, there's no secrets about that."

Ballard was a proven vet, so team like the Pats would be willing to risk a training camp slot and Belichick is the only coach that doesn't know about the "unwritten rule."

http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... -ballard/1[/quote]

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:13 pm

According to Brad Blank, Minnifield’s agent, the player reinjured his knee during either OTA’s or minicamp. He required another surgery that was performed by Dr. James Andrews recently in Birmingham. Blank was not specific about the procedure but he did say that it was not as serious as the microfracture.

Blank thinks that the new injury will knock Minnifield out for the season. “It could be less,” he said. “But I don’t think that the Redskins’ plan [for him to return to the field this year]. I [also] don’t think he’ll get claimed by another team.”

So now we know why there was a change from PUP to potential IR.

http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... jones.html

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:49 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:This is only ONE story they wanted us to know until now.

Actually they put him on the PUP list last week, reporting he had a set back, so it was already out there. Now they are simply moving him from the reserve PUP list to the IR (freeing up space on the 90 man camp roster). The plan was to move him to the Active PUP at some and planned to save a spot on the 53 man roster for him. That's the only change in plan and it's a old Joe Gibbs move with 2012 swag (unless he's claimed off waivers).

Redskin in Canada wrote:That secondary has some serious question marks on the starters, let alone depth. I hope they work together well and they hold throughout the season without injuries. We might have to keep an eye on who else gets cut from other teams for depth.

OK let's take a look the starters.... who are they?

We have Josh Wilson and MeAngelo on the corners and the other Griffin as depth along with a 7th rd pick and the new guy

Last year's starters at safety are still rehabbing (thankfully not on the Redskins' dime). So the safety spot will be resolved by something new at Redskins Park, it's called a open competition. Something about the best player wins the job which by it's nature creates depth that isn't up to par.

I have a problem with Hall as the starter and think putting him in the slot as the 3rd corner or moving him to safety would solve the starting corner problem (IF they can find a another guy to start opposite Wilson). I can't say how I feel about the safety spot until I know who the starters are, however I do think Gomes will be the eventual starter, but if he starts the season as the number one I'll be worried.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:14 pm

I've been wanting to discuss this for a minute but never got around to it

Redskin in Canada wrote:That cap money taken away certainly does not help.

I don't get that....

This might/WILL take a minute but....

OK... it hurts me to say this but that sounds like something Vinny would say to "the Danny"

The Redskins have never, EVER (ANYONE can point out where I'm wrong here) EVER had a problem with the salary cap until there was no salary cap. Even then they had to change the rules to put a cap into place two years after the fact.

As far as the impact this year, it's like every other year only difference is they took space from the team and gave it to the other teams. The fact of the matter is the Redskins have never spent up to the cap ceiling and taking $18M from a team that for the first time could carryover unused space ($13,590,000)) wasn't all that punitive.

If you think they are hurting for money explain how and why they spent $7.5M in new money ($7M in cap space) for 2012 with cap space already on the books for DBs at the tune of more than twice the amount of new money they spent?

There were 29 teams that benefited from the Cap Penalties imposed on the the Skins, TtiT, and the Saints (didn't get any of our cap $, but didn't lose any of their own). As free agency slowed and teams started to focus on the draft, there were less than twenty teams with more cap space than the Redskins, had TtiT not lost $5M they would have made it a even 20, still that left ten teams with less space than the Skins (they were using some of the Redskins money and still came up with less). After the draft picks had been signed and the June 1st cuts and signings had come and gone the Redskins still have more space than almost half the teams in the league.

Here are some 2012 Cap facts as the "cap" pertains to the Skins.

FTR: I still believe the Redskins have and will always be oblivious of any NFL mandated cap

RGIII took up more cap space than any other guy drafted not named Andrew Luck, and was signed by the team that took a $18.55M cap reduction the night free agency started and was considered "the most active in the post-April 1 market"

Not only did they spend the money on guys coming into thier prime instead of spending money on guys for what they did in their prime, they look like they could have about $10M to carry over into 2013 to ofset the "cap penalty" that they'll face and know about a whole year from now.

If Vinny were in charge I would have not left Biadoa last week and stayed for the year (no streaming internet until Oct) but I came back, hoping to catch a few games this year.

Vinny is gone... RiC stop rai ning on my parade.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 7:31 am

1niksder wrote:I've been wanting to discuss this for a minute but never got around to it
Redskin in Canada wrote:That cap money taken away certainly does not help.
I don't get that....

This might/WILL take a minute but....

OK... it hurts me to say this but that sounds like something Vinny would say to "the Danny"

If an insult was the intention of this line, you know me well for a number of years, we can meet in smack ANY time you want.

So, if the argument is made here that the cap penalty is irrelevant and it does not hurt the Redskins in any way then I say that this is a BS statement.

The Redskins have never, EVER (ANYONE can point out where I'm wrong here) EVER had a problem with the salary cap until there was no salary cap. Even then they had to change the rules to put a cap into place two years after the fact.

Yeah, sure. In fact the legal challenge by the Skins and Pukes to the cap penalty was all a joke really. The Mara Committee never really intended to hurt the Skins and even if it did try, it did not succeed. Sure ...

As far as the impact this year, it's like every other year only difference is they took space from the team and gave it to the other teams. The fact of the matter is the Redskins have never spent up to the cap ceiling and taking $18M from a team that for the first time could carryover unused space ($13,590,000)) wasn't all that punitive.

If you think they are hurting for money explain how and why they spent $7.5M in new money ($7M in cap space) for 2012 with cap space already on the books for DBs at the tune of more than twice the amount of new money they spent?

You please explain why and how the lost cap money would not have served the Skins well, please? In what calculation and under what circumstances can cap money not give the potential to a team to use it if necessary to address positions of need?

Because if you argument is that we have and we are set at a number of positions and the only limitation was the unavailability of valuable free agents at positions of need, I will argue that it is a BS argument.

There were 29 teams that benefited from the Cap Penalties imposed on the the Skins, TtiT, and the Saints (didn't get any of our cap $, but didn't lose any of their own). As free agency slowed and teams started to focus on the draft, there were less than twenty teams with more cap space than the Redskins, had TtiT not lost $5M they would have made it a even 20, still that left ten teams with less space than the Skins (they were using some of the Redskins money and still came up with less). After the draft picks had been signed and the June 1st cuts and signings had come and gone the Redskins still have more space than almost half the teams in the league.

So, in your view, the cap penalty does not affect the Skins negatively in any way. This is your argument. Interestingly, that is not the argument made by the Skins on several legal and PR fronts.

Here are some 2012 Cap facts as the "cap" pertains to the Skins.

FTR: I still believe the Redskins have and will always be oblivious of any NFL mandated cap

RGIII took up more cap space than any other guy drafted not named Andrew Luck, and was signed by the team that took a $18.55M cap reduction the night free agency started and was considered "the most active in the post-April 1 market"

So, we should not expect the team to make any cut moves based on preserving cap space, right? Good luck with that.

Not only did they spend the money on guys coming into thier prime instead of spending money on guys for what they did in their prime, they look like they could have about $10M to carry over into 2013 to ofset the "cap penalty" that they'll face and know about a whole year from now.

As your argument goes, we are shielded against next year's cap hit too. I am really eager to hear what Shanny and Bruce have to say about this if and when they speak about it in the future because their statements son far portray an image that the penalty over two seasons hurts the Skins without a doubt.

If Vinny were in charge I would have not left Biadoa last week and stayed for the year (no streaming internet until Oct) but I came back, hoping to catch a few games this year.

Vinny is gone... RiC stop raining on my parade.

What does Vinny, other than a veiled or not so weiled insult, have to do with an opinion that the cap penalty, in my view, hurts the chances of the Skins to add FAs players to address positions of need?

In fact, you are making Godda-hell and Mara's argument sound pretty sensible not only to justify the cap penalty but its small detrimental effect that it may have on the Skins. I really do not understand where you are coming from in this one and I know you for years. If you were a woman i would have guesed PMS but I know for a fact that this is not the case.

See you in smack if you wish, bro.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:46 am

I'm not freaking out at all. We still have Barnes, Thompson from last year and a dude we drafted this year. In addition, we have the guy that just grabbed off the street. We know what we have in Barnes, he's serviceable. Thompson looked good in the preseason and we can hold out hope that he's progressed. We'll get to see what we have in our rookie selection this year.

My point is, we have some guys to look at it. Chase wasn't our #1 DB, lmao. The Giants and many other teams prove year in and year out that pass rush > secondary. If there's something we need to worry about, it's the safety position. We'll see how that shakes out.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:02 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:My point is, we have some guys to look at it. Chase wasn't our #1 DB, lmao. The Giants and many other teams prove year in and year out that pass rush > secondary. If there's something we need to worry about, it's the safety position. We'll see how that shakes out.

+1

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:12 pm

How long does it take to clear waivers?

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:32 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:How long does it take to clear waivers?

24 hours.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:34 pm

So 2~ hours?

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:35 pm

So, it was reported 22 hours ago. So unless someone swoops in, we can resign him and let him heal.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:44 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:So, it was reported 22 hours ago. So unless someone swoops in, we can resign him and let him heal.

Nothing on his twitter account, yet.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:27 pm

So the skins will still pay him if he clears waivers but at the practice squad pay grade right? Does that come out of our cap?
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Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:32 am

http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... ns-ir.html

He cleared waivers and he's on our IR. Great news!

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:15 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... ns-ir.html

He cleared waivers and he's on our IR. Great news!

I am happy to have him next season.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:45 am

I'm glad this worked out. Give the kid a year to rehabilitate properly, and hopefully we'll have a quality player on our hands next season.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:49 am

He will be just like having an additional draft pick when he's ready. This procedure takes a year to rehab. He had it in January. By next August, he should be ready to prove why he's worth making this team, and it will be an added bonus in that we got him for essentially nothing.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:09 pm

The Hogster wrote:He will be just like having an additional draft pick when he's ready. This procedure takes a year to rehab. He had it in January. By next August, he should be ready to prove why he's worth making this team, and it will be an added bonus in that we got him for essentially nothing.

right on!

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:29 pm

cowboykillerzRED wrote:So the skins will still pay him if he clears waivers but at the practice squad pay grade right? Does that come out of our cap?
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When a player goes on injured reserve, his full salary cap figure counts against his team's salary cap unless otherwise specified in the player's contract.

A "split" contract, usually for a late-round draft pick or an undrafted rookie, calls for that player to get half his salary if he is placed on injured reserve.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:15 pm

SO this scenario of us waiving him then after he clears putting him on our IR is he getting half what he signed for, and counting against our cap this year?

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