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BLOW IT UP REDUX
I've been thinking (scary) and suggest the following:
Let these guys walk:
Rocky McIntosh
Carlos Rogers
Andre Carter
Santana Moss
Reed Doughty
Rex Grossman
Resign these guys:
Jammal Brown (if cheap enough)
H.B. Blades
Will Montgomery
Stephon Heyer
Chris Wilson
Start Brown, Blades, Montgomery, and Wilson and move Heyer to primary back-up at RG who can swing to either tackle in a pinch.
Draft replacements and think youth with any and all acqusitions.
Consider keeping Moss if there is no cap but not for a long-term deal.
Start using more 2-tight end sets.
Thoughts?
DarthMonk
Let these guys walk:
Rocky McIntosh
Carlos Rogers
Andre Carter
Santana Moss
Reed Doughty
Rex Grossman
Resign these guys:
Jammal Brown (if cheap enough)
H.B. Blades
Will Montgomery
Stephon Heyer
Chris Wilson
Start Brown, Blades, Montgomery, and Wilson and move Heyer to primary back-up at RG who can swing to either tackle in a pinch.
Draft replacements and think youth with any and all acqusitions.
Consider keeping Moss if there is no cap but not for a long-term deal.
Start using more 2-tight end sets.
Thoughts?
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Re: BLOW IT UP REDUX
Keep Doughty as a servicable back up and ST guyDarthMonk wrote:I've been thinking (scary) and suggest the following:
Let these guys walk:
Rocky McIntosh
Carlos Rogers
Andre Carter
Santana Moss
Reed Doughty
Rex Grossman
Resign these guys:
Jammal Brown (if cheap enough)
H.B. Blades
Will Montgomery
Stephon Heyer
Chris Wilson
Start Brown, Blades, Montgomery, and Wilson and move Heyer to primary back-up at RG who can swing to either tackle in a pinch.
Draft replacements and think youth with any and all acqusitions.
Consider keeping Moss if there is no cap but not for a long-term deal.
Start using more 2-tight end sets.
Thoughts?
DarthMonk
Keep Grossman as a capable veteran Back Up QB
Keep Santana as a slot receiver. He is very productive in the slot
Walk: Rocky - will make more money w/ 4-3 team, Carlos - can't catch and injury prone, Andre - can't play 3-4
Re-sign -Brown, Blades, Montgomery, Heyer will have to fight his way to stay, Wilson will have to battle Rob Jackson and possible a newcomer (draft or FA)
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santana is a defkeeper. the guy can still play at a high level and now is the perfect time for him to transition to slot in his career. He can destroy backers and safeties over the middle for a couple more good years.
fletch and rocky can walk.
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fletch and rocky can walk.
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I understand Rocky walking, but why Fletch? He is the leader of the D.gay4pacman wrote:santana is a defkeeper. the guy can still play at a high level and now is the perfect time for him to transition to slot in his career. He can destroy backers and safeties over the middle for a couple more good years.
fletch and rocky can walk.
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Re: BLOW IT UP REDUX
I agree with these, but I don't see the reasoning behind these guys:DarthMonk wrote:I've been thinking (scary) and suggest the following:
Let these guys walk:
Rocky McIntosh
Carlos Rogers
Andre Carter
Santana Moss
Both can be valuable backups next year, and last I checked neither were breaking the bank. I wouldn't want to rely on either as more than that, but why let decent, cheap depth go while we're in a rebuilding phase?Reed Doughty
Rex Grossman
Re: BLOW IT UP REDUX
I say keep Rogers and Moss, too, if the price is right.Irn-Bru wrote:I agree with these, but I don't see the reasoning behind these guys:DarthMonk wrote:I've been thinking (scary) and suggest the following:
Let these guys walk:
Rocky McIntosh
Carlos Rogers
Andre Carter
Santana Moss
Both can be valuable backups next year, and last I checked neither were breaking the bank. I wouldn't want to rely on either as more than that, but why let decent, cheap depth go while we're in a rebuilding phase?Reed Doughty
Rex Grossman
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Re: BLOW IT UP REDUX
I think for both of them they're going to need to test the market because they're not going to be worth what it would take to prevent them from doing that. But we should tell them the door is open if they'll take somewhat of a cutDeadskins wrote: I say keep Rogers and Moss, too, if the price is right.
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I missed that part about Fletch.... KEEP FLETCH TOO.. that's all I got.. Joe out.Red_One43 wrote:I understand Rocky walking, but why Fletch? He is the leader of the D.gay4pacman wrote:santana is a defkeeper. the guy can still play at a high level and now is the perfect time for him to transition to slot in his career. He can destroy backers and safeties over the middle for a couple more good years.
fletch and rocky can walk.
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Re: BLOW IT UP REDUX
Rex...we can't get rid of him. When we get rid of McNabb we are going to have to keep a qb that knows the system.DarthMonk wrote:I've been thinking (scary) and suggest the following:
Let these guys walk:
Rocky McIntosh
Carlos Rogers
Andre Carter
Santana Moss
Reed Doughty
Rex Grossman
Resign these guys:
Jammal Brown (if cheap enough)
H.B. Blades
Will Montgomery
Stephon Heyer
Chris Wilson
Start Brown, Blades, Montgomery, and Wilson and move Heyer to primary back-up at RG who can swing to either tackle in a pinch.
Draft replacements and think youth with any and all acqusitions.
Consider keeping Moss if there is no cap but not for a long-term deal.
Start using more 2-tight end sets.
Thoughts?
DarthMonk
Carter...he has to go. Not because he isn't good, but because he doesn't fit the system. Hope he finds a team that is willing to use him properly.
Rogers...good riddance. A corner that continually drops easy int's is a liability.
Rocky....keep him.
Moss...keep him.
Reed...bye. The man can't cover worth a lick.
Brown...he is under contract I thought?
Heyer...heeeellllll NOOOOOO. He should be the first player cut. He is AWFUL.
Blades...keep
Wilson...keep
Montgomery...keep
Suck and Luck
Re: BLOW IT UP REDUX
Brown only had one year left on his contract when we traded for him. He is a UFA.CanesSkins26 wrote:Rex...we can't get rid of him. When we get rid of McNabb we are going to have to keep a qb that knows the system.DarthMonk wrote:I've been thinking (scary) and suggest the following:
Let these guys walk:
Rocky McIntosh
Carlos Rogers
Andre Carter
Santana Moss
Reed Doughty
Rex Grossman
Resign these guys:
Jammal Brown (if cheap enough)
H.B. Blades
Will Montgomery
Stephon Heyer
Chris Wilson
Start Brown, Blades, Montgomery, and Wilson and move Heyer to primary back-up at RG who can swing to either tackle in a pinch.
Draft replacements and think youth with any and all acqusitions.
Consider keeping Moss if there is no cap but not for a long-term deal.
Start using more 2-tight end sets.
Thoughts?
DarthMonk
Carter...he has to go. Not because he isn't good, but because he doesn't fit the system. Hope he finds a team that is willing to use him properly.
Rogers...good riddance. A corner that continually drops easy int's is a liability.
Rocky....keep him.
Moss...keep him.
Reed...bye. The man can't cover worth a lick.
Brown...he is under contract I thought?
Heyer...heeeellllll NOOOOOO. He should be the first player cut. He is AWFUL.
Blades...keep
Wilson...keep
Montgomery...keep
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Acquisitions
10 Jabar Gaffney WR 6-2 200
37 Josh Wilson CB 5-9 192
11 Kellen Clemens QB 6-2 220
18 Donte' Stallworth WR 6-0 220
16 Oshiomogho Atogwe S 5-11 205
96 Barry Cofield DL 6-4 306
# Stephen Bowen DE 6-5 304
6 Sav Rocca P 6-5 265
# Chris Chester OC/OG 6-3 315
Draft Picks Signed
85 Leonard Hankerson WR 6-2 209
26 Roy Helu RB
# Dejon Gomes S 6-0 208
# Niles Paul WR 6-1 224
X Evan Royster RB 6-1 212
24 Aldrick Robinson WR 5-10 184
# Brandyn Thompson CB 5-9 189
# Markus White DE 6-4 266
# Chris Neild DT/NT 6-2 319
UDFAs Signed
Shaun Draughn (RB, North Carolina)
Ben Chappel (QB, Indiana)
Willie Smith (OT, ECU)
Kevin Gidrey (FB, South Florida)
Departures
Traded QB McNabb to Vikes for 6th rounders in 2012 & 2013
Traded NT Haynesworth to Patriots for 5th rounder in 2013
Traded DE Jeremy Jarmon to Broncos for WR Gaffney
Cut C Casey Rabach
Cut P Sam Paulescu
Cut P Josh Bidwell
Cut RB Andre Brown
Cut RB Chad Simpson
Cut DE Philip Daniels
Cut NT Ma'ake Kemoeatu
Cut WR Roydell Williams
And are still $15M+ under the cap
Acquisitions
10 Jabar Gaffney WR 6-2 200
37 Josh Wilson CB 5-9 192
11 Kellen Clemens QB 6-2 220
18 Donte' Stallworth WR 6-0 220
16 Oshiomogho Atogwe S 5-11 205
96 Barry Cofield DL 6-4 306
# Stephen Bowen DE 6-5 304
6 Sav Rocca P 6-5 265
# Chris Chester OC/OG 6-3 315
Draft Picks Signed
85 Leonard Hankerson WR 6-2 209
26 Roy Helu RB
# Dejon Gomes S 6-0 208
# Niles Paul WR 6-1 224
X Evan Royster RB 6-1 212
24 Aldrick Robinson WR 5-10 184
# Brandyn Thompson CB 5-9 189
# Markus White DE 6-4 266
# Chris Neild DT/NT 6-2 319
UDFAs Signed
Shaun Draughn (RB, North Carolina)
Ben Chappel (QB, Indiana)
Willie Smith (OT, ECU)
Kevin Gidrey (FB, South Florida)
Departures
Traded QB McNabb to Vikes for 6th rounders in 2012 & 2013
Traded NT Haynesworth to Patriots for 5th rounder in 2013
Traded DE Jeremy Jarmon to Broncos for WR Gaffney
Cut C Casey Rabach
Cut P Sam Paulescu
Cut P Josh Bidwell
Cut RB Andre Brown
Cut RB Chad Simpson
Cut DE Philip Daniels
Cut NT Ma'ake Kemoeatu
Cut WR Roydell Williams
And are still $15M+ under the cap
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During Gibbs IPulpExposure wrote:When have we been high scoring?GoSkins wrote:Nice summary of transactions so far. We are already a better team than last year. We won't be high scoring but we'll keep most of our games close.
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I wasn't aware that "keeping games close" was the goal of any competitive activity or sport. I always thought WINNING was the goal. Am I wrong?GoSkins wrote:Nice summary of transactions so far. We are already a better team than last year. We won't be high scoring but we'll keep most of our games close.
I have no idea what our record will be this year. But logic says if you keep a game close you have a chance to win. Our defense is much improved over last year; at least on paper.Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I wasn't aware that "keeping games close" was the goal of any competitive activity or sport. I always thought WINNING was the goal. Am I wrong?GoSkins wrote:Nice summary of transactions so far. We are already a better team than last year. We won't be high scoring but we'll keep most of our games close.
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He thought you meant we were not trying to win in a blowout, we wanted a close game. It was a completely inane post which is why you were confused.GoSkins wrote:I have no idea what our record will be this year. But logic says if you keep a game close you have a chance to win. Our defense is much improved over last year; at least on paper.Redskins_Fanatic wrote:I wasn't aware that "keeping games close" was the goal of any competitive activity or sport. I always thought WINNING was the goal. Am I wrong?GoSkins wrote:Nice summary of transactions so far. We are already a better team than last year. We won't be high scoring but we'll keep most of our games close.
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I guess it's best not to reply to his posts.KazooSkinsFan wrote:He thought you meant we were not trying to win in a blowout, we wanted a close game. It was a completely inane post which is why you were confused.GoSkins wrote:I have no idea what our record will be this year. But logic says if you keep a game close you have a chance to win. Our defense is much improved over last year; at least on paper.Redskins_Fanatic wrote: I wasn't aware that "keeping games close" was the goal of any competitive activity or sport. I always thought WINNING was the goal. Am I wrong?
GoSkins wrote:I guess it's best not to reply to his posts.KazooSkinsFan wrote:He thought you meant we were not trying to win in a blowout, we wanted a close game. It was a completely inane post which is why you were confused.GoSkins wrote: I have no idea what our record will be this year. But logic says if you keep a game close you have a chance to win. Our defense is much improved over last year; at least on paper.

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+1emoses14 wrote:GoSkins wrote:I guess it's best not to reply to his posts.KazooSkinsFan wrote: He thought you meant we were not trying to win in a blowout, we wanted a close game. It was a completely inane post which is why you were confused.
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Nobody can guarantee what our record will be. Personally, I don't think it'll be very good, but I could be wrong. My concern is primarily philosophical.... with the idea that trying to keep a game close and hope to win or lose the game by a small margin rather than going out and dominating the opponent, is an accptable goal. It's like telling the 6 year olds "well kids, at least you tried hard and they only won by a couple points/runs/goals. You'll get them next time." I understand this team is not built to dominate opponents. My concern is that this team will never again be built with the mentality or philosophy of running over our opponents like General Sherman did on his march to the sea.GoSkins wrote:I have no idea what our record will be this year. But logic says if you keep a game close you have a chance to win. Our defense is much improved over last year; at least on paper.
We've made progress.
Here's the original BLOW IT UP! followed by the original player specific.
Marty came here. Payroll was a then-record 100 MILLION dollars. Marty kept 22 guys. He replaced 31. 13 of the new guys were ROOKIES. He FIRED VINNY. He reduced payroll to 53 MILLION by letting go of almost all the high priced talent (can you say Deion?).
We went 0-5 and then 8-3 the rest of the way with TONY BANKS at QB.
We need to do this again. Let go of (release, trade, whatever makes sense) virtually every high priced guy. Accumulate compensatory picks. Pick LINEMEN. Find a runner. They are everywhere. If the hole is there Rock or Betts or some other guy (did we cut a guy named Mason?) we never heard of who costs less than 1 million can run through it and if it's not there he can slam it up in there for a yard or two. We should NEVER spend big bucks or 1st round picks on a runner.
Many teams have shown us we could be better than we are now in TWO years while getting YOUNGER and CHEAPER.
Player specific after nice post by dad23hogjrs:
Below is the post that laid out cap implications. It's great info. Let's assume they are good data. 2 things:
1) All the cap hits just last one year. Massive cap room results in 1 year.
2) We have yet to discuss compensatory picks.
"Under the NFL's collective bargaining agreement, teams that lose more or better "compensatory" free agents than they acquire in a year are eligible to receive compensatory draft choices. No team can receive more than four."
Now although it looks painful (and may be) if we let go of say Jansen, Portis, Taylor, and Washington we save a net of 3 million immediately and are well on our way to 4 compensatory picks as well as a quick extra 23 million in cap space a year down the road. Three of those players (Jansen, Taylor, Washington) figure to not really help us next year (based on age and the last couple of years) and Portis (already locker room poison?) can be replaced. He's not Jim Brown and even Brown was probably replaceable to a certain extent by Bobby Mitchell (ask Welch).
I say get rid of these guys and a few more (Springs and Daniels?) and get
1) 13 million of immediate relief
2) 30 million in space in 1 year
3) 4 more draft picks
4) younger
We might even get better immediately and certainly will long term - especially if we finish the blow up in one more year.
Cooley is an example of what we want to do. Draft wisely and pay a homegrown star. He's a keeper.
We should mostly let the remaining linemen play out their contracts and draft replacements. My personal favorite for the #13 is Alex Mack, a center. Most mock drafts put him around #20 so a trade down while getting an extra pick along with Mack could be a possibility. He is generally thought of as a potential all-pro and many say "the best lineman in the draft, period." Check this out:
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/Alex_Mack.htm
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Here's the original BLOW IT UP! followed by the original player specific.
Marty came here. Payroll was a then-record 100 MILLION dollars. Marty kept 22 guys. He replaced 31. 13 of the new guys were ROOKIES. He FIRED VINNY. He reduced payroll to 53 MILLION by letting go of almost all the high priced talent (can you say Deion?).
We went 0-5 and then 8-3 the rest of the way with TONY BANKS at QB.
We need to do this again. Let go of (release, trade, whatever makes sense) virtually every high priced guy. Accumulate compensatory picks. Pick LINEMEN. Find a runner. They are everywhere. If the hole is there Rock or Betts or some other guy (did we cut a guy named Mason?) we never heard of who costs less than 1 million can run through it and if it's not there he can slam it up in there for a yard or two. We should NEVER spend big bucks or 1st round picks on a runner.
Many teams have shown us we could be better than we are now in TWO years while getting YOUNGER and CHEAPER.
Player specific after nice post by dad23hogjrs:
Below is the post that laid out cap implications. It's great info. Let's assume they are good data. 2 things:
1) All the cap hits just last one year. Massive cap room results in 1 year.
2) We have yet to discuss compensatory picks.
"Under the NFL's collective bargaining agreement, teams that lose more or better "compensatory" free agents than they acquire in a year are eligible to receive compensatory draft choices. No team can receive more than four."
Now although it looks painful (and may be) if we let go of say Jansen, Portis, Taylor, and Washington we save a net of 3 million immediately and are well on our way to 4 compensatory picks as well as a quick extra 23 million in cap space a year down the road. Three of those players (Jansen, Taylor, Washington) figure to not really help us next year (based on age and the last couple of years) and Portis (already locker room poison?) can be replaced. He's not Jim Brown and even Brown was probably replaceable to a certain extent by Bobby Mitchell (ask Welch).
I say get rid of these guys and a few more (Springs and Daniels?) and get
1) 13 million of immediate relief
2) 30 million in space in 1 year
3) 4 more draft picks
4) younger
We might even get better immediately and certainly will long term - especially if we finish the blow up in one more year.
Cooley is an example of what we want to do. Draft wisely and pay a homegrown star. He's a keeper.
We should mostly let the remaining linemen play out their contracts and draft replacements. My personal favorite for the #13 is Alex Mack, a center. Most mock drafts put him around #20 so a trade down while getting an extra pick along with Mack could be a possibility. He is generally thought of as a potential all-pro and many say "the best lineman in the draft, period." Check this out:
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/Alex_Mack.htm
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dad23hogjrs wrote:]Blow it up?
Sure, here are some guys that would be a part of the "destruction"
ARE - moving him would increase our # against the cap 600k, we are already 3-4 M over, depending on where you get your info
Jansen - I've seen people coming for his head...great, that will cost you 2.78 million against the cap
Portis - YEAH, LETS GET CRAZY...crazy will cost you 7.7 M against the cap
Some other guys that not everyone is pointing pitch forks at, but would fit into blowing it up...
R. Thomas - costs you 4.5 M to move him; Moss - 464k against the cap to move; everyone on the "Trade Rogers" bandwagon - check this out - 1.43 M against the cap to pull that trigger
and my personal favorite:
"Trade cooley for a #2 OR 3" - that will cost you 8.1 M against the cap
We found a gem....so now you want to trade him so we can maybe do it again...but most likely not...makes sense.
You can't "Blow it Up" completely
why? because we laced the place with plutonium...
guys you can get rid of - more of a wittling
Springs - Saves 6M
Taylor - Saves 8.5M
M. Washington - Saves 4.5M
Griffin - Saves 3.62M
Rabach - Saves 2.35M
Daniels - Saves 2.3M
Sorry to say, everyone else costs you against the cap, or is worth more than what they save you against the cap.
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