BLOW IT UP REDUX

[DarthMonk]

I've been thinking (scary) and suggest the following:

Let these guys walk:

Rocky McIntosh
Carlos Rogers
Andre Carter
Santana Moss
Reed Doughty
Rex Grossman

Resign these guys:

Jammal Brown (if cheap enough)
H.B. Blades
Will Montgomery
Stephon Heyer
Chris Wilson

Start Brown, Blades, Montgomery, and Wilson and move Heyer to primary back-up at RG who can swing to either tackle in a pinch.

Draft replacements and think youth with any and all acqusitions.

Consider keeping Moss if there is no cap but not for a long-term deal.

Start using more 2-tight end sets.

Thoughts?

DarthMonk

[Red_One43]

I've been thinking (scary) and suggest the following:

Let these guys walk:

Rocky McIntosh
Carlos Rogers
Andre Carter
Santana Moss
Reed Doughty
Rex Grossman

Resign these guys:

Jammal Brown (if cheap enough)
H.B. Blades
Will Montgomery
Stephon Heyer
Chris Wilson

Start Brown, Blades, Montgomery, and Wilson and move Heyer to primary back-up at RG who can swing to either tackle in a pinch.

Draft replacements and think youth with any and all acqusitions.

Consider keeping Moss if there is no cap but not for a long-term deal.

Start using more 2-tight end sets.

Thoughts?

DarthMonk

Keep Doughty as a servicable back up and ST guy
Keep Grossman as a capable veteran Back Up QB
Keep Santana as a slot receiver. He is very productive in the slot
Walk: Rocky - will make more money w/ 4-3 team, Carlos - can't catch and injury prone, Andre - can't play 3-4

Re-sign -Brown, Blades, Montgomery, Heyer will have to fight his way to stay, Wilson will have to battle Rob Jackson and possible a newcomer (draft or FA)

[langleyparkjoe]

Keep Santana.. that's all I got.. Joe out.

[gay4pacman]

santana is a defkeeper. the guy can still play at a high level and now is the perfect time for him to transition to slot in his career. He can destroy backers and safeties over the middle for a couple more good years.

fletch and rocky can walk.

httr

[Red_One43]

santana is a defkeeper. the guy can still play at a high level and now is the perfect time for him to transition to slot in his career. He can destroy backers and safeties over the middle for a couple more good years.

fletch and rocky can walk.

httr

I understand Rocky walking, but why Fletch? He is the leader of the D.

[Irn-Bru]

I've been thinking (scary) and suggest the following:

Let these guys walk:

Rocky McIntosh
Carlos Rogers
Andre Carter
Santana Moss

I agree with these, but I don't see the reasoning behind these guys:

Reed Doughty
Rex Grossman

Both can be valuable backups next year, and last I checked neither were breaking the bank. I wouldn't want to rely on either as more than that, but why let decent, cheap depth go while we're in a rebuilding phase?

[Deadskins]

I've been thinking (scary) and suggest the following:

Let these guys walk:

Rocky McIntosh
Carlos Rogers
Andre Carter
Santana Moss

I agree with these, but I don't see the reasoning behind these guys:

Reed Doughty
Rex Grossman

Both can be valuable backups next year, and last I checked neither were breaking the bank. I wouldn't want to rely on either as more than that, but why let decent, cheap depth go while we're in a rebuilding phase?

I say keep Rogers and Moss, too, if the price is right.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I say keep Rogers and Moss, too, if the price is right.

I think for both of them they're going to need to test the market because they're not going to be worth what it would take to prevent them from doing that. But we should tell them the door is open if they'll take somewhat of a cut

[langleyparkjoe]

santana is a defkeeper. the guy can still play at a high level and now is the perfect time for him to transition to slot in his career. He can destroy backers and safeties over the middle for a couple more good years.

fletch and rocky can walk.

httr

I understand Rocky walking, but why Fletch? He is the leader of the D.

I missed that part about Fletch.... KEEP FLETCH TOO.. that's all I got.. Joe out.

[CanesSkins26]

I've been thinking (scary) and suggest the following:

Let these guys walk:

Rocky McIntosh
Carlos Rogers
Andre Carter
Santana Moss
Reed Doughty
Rex Grossman

Resign these guys:

Jammal Brown (if cheap enough)
H.B. Blades
Will Montgomery
Stephon Heyer
Chris Wilson

Start Brown, Blades, Montgomery, and Wilson and move Heyer to primary back-up at RG who can swing to either tackle in a pinch.

Draft replacements and think youth with any and all acqusitions.

Consider keeping Moss if there is no cap but not for a long-term deal.

Start using more 2-tight end sets.

Thoughts?

DarthMonk

Rex...we can't get rid of him. When we get rid of McNabb we are going to have to keep a qb that knows the system.

Carter...he has to go. Not because he isn't good, but because he doesn't fit the system. Hope he finds a team that is willing to use him properly.

Rogers...good riddance. A corner that continually drops easy int's is a liability.

Rocky....keep him.

Moss...keep him.

Reed...bye. The man can't cover worth a lick.

Brown...he is under contract I thought?

Heyer...heeeellllll NOOOOOO. He should be the first player cut. He is AWFUL.

Blades...keep

Wilson...keep

Montgomery...keep

[Red_One43]

I've been thinking (scary) and suggest the following:

Let these guys walk:

Rocky McIntosh
Carlos Rogers
Andre Carter
Santana Moss
Reed Doughty
Rex Grossman

Resign these guys:

Jammal Brown (if cheap enough)
H.B. Blades
Will Montgomery
Stephon Heyer
Chris Wilson

Start Brown, Blades, Montgomery, and Wilson and move Heyer to primary back-up at RG who can swing to either tackle in a pinch.

Draft replacements and think youth with any and all acqusitions.

Consider keeping Moss if there is no cap but not for a long-term deal.

Start using more 2-tight end sets.

Thoughts?

DarthMonk

Rex...we can't get rid of him. When we get rid of McNabb we are going to have to keep a qb that knows the system.

Carter...he has to go. Not because he isn't good, but because he doesn't fit the system. Hope he finds a team that is willing to use him properly.

Rogers...good riddance. A corner that continually drops easy int's is a liability.

Rocky....keep him.

Moss...keep him.

Reed...bye. The man can't cover worth a lick.

Brown...he is under contract I thought?

Heyer...heeeellllll NOOOOOO. He should be the first player cut. He is AWFUL.

Blades...keep

Wilson...keep

Montgomery...keep

Brown only had one year left on his contract when we traded for him. He is a UFA.

[1niksder]

This is how you do it.....

Acquisitions
10 Jabar Gaffney WR 6-2 200
37 Josh Wilson CB 5-9 192
11 Kellen Clemens QB 6-2 220
18 Donte' Stallworth WR 6-0 220
16 Oshiomogho Atogwe S 5-11 205
96 Barry Cofield DL 6-4 306
# Stephen Bowen DE 6-5 304
6 Sav Rocca P 6-5 265
# Chris Chester OC/OG 6-3 315

Draft Picks Signed

85 Leonard Hankerson WR 6-2 209
26 Roy Helu RB
# Dejon Gomes S 6-0 208
# Niles Paul WR 6-1 224
X Evan Royster RB 6-1 212
24 Aldrick Robinson WR 5-10 184
# Brandyn Thompson CB 5-9 189
# Markus White DE 6-4 266
# Chris Neild DT/NT 6-2 319

UDFAs Signed

Shaun Draughn (RB, North Carolina)
Ben Chappel (QB, Indiana)
Willie Smith (OT, ECU)
Kevin Gidrey (FB, South Florida)

Departures

Traded QB McNabb to Vikes for 6th rounders in 2012 & 2013
Traded NT Haynesworth to Patriots for 5th rounder in 2013
Traded DE Jeremy Jarmon to Broncos for WR Gaffney
Cut C Casey Rabach
Cut P Sam Paulescu
Cut P Josh Bidwell
Cut RB Andre Brown
Cut RB Chad Simpson
Cut DE Philip Daniels
Cut NT Ma'ake Kemoeatu
Cut WR Roydell Williams


And are still $15M+ under the cap

[GoSkins]

Nice summary of transactions so far. We are already a better team than last year. We won't be high scoring but we'll keep most of our games close.

[PulpExposure]

Nice summary of transactions so far. We are already a better team than last year. We won't be high scoring but we'll keep most of our games close.

When have we been high scoring?

[yupchagee]

Nice summary of transactions so far. We are already a better team than last year. We won't be high scoring but we'll keep most of our games close.

When have we been high scoring?

During Gibbs I

[Irn-Bru]

And under Turner for a few years.

[Redskins_Fanatic]

Nice summary of transactions so far. We are already a better team than last year. We won't be high scoring but we'll keep most of our games close.

I wasn't aware that "keeping games close" was the goal of any competitive activity or sport. I always thought WINNING was the goal. Am I wrong?

[GoSkins]

Nice summary of transactions so far. We are already a better team than last year. We won't be high scoring but we'll keep most of our games close.

I wasn't aware that "keeping games close" was the goal of any competitive activity or sport. I always thought WINNING was the goal. Am I wrong?

I have no idea what our record will be this year. But logic says if you keep a game close you have a chance to win. Our defense is much improved over last year; at least on paper.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Nice summary of transactions so far. We are already a better team than last year. We won't be high scoring but we'll keep most of our games close.

I wasn't aware that "keeping games close" was the goal of any competitive activity or sport. I always thought WINNING was the goal. Am I wrong?

I have no idea what our record will be this year. But logic says if you keep a game close you have a chance to win. Our defense is much improved over last year; at least on paper.

He thought you meant we were not trying to win in a blowout, we wanted a close game. It was a completely inane post which is why you were confused.

[GoSkins]

I wasn't aware that "keeping games close" was the goal of any competitive activity or sport. I always thought WINNING was the goal. Am I wrong?

I have no idea what our record will be this year. But logic says if you keep a game close you have a chance to win. Our defense is much improved over last year; at least on paper.

He thought you meant we were not trying to win in a blowout, we wanted a close game. It was a completely inane post which is why you were confused.

I guess it's best not to reply to his posts.

[emoses14]

I have no idea what our record will be this year. But logic says if you keep a game close you have a chance to win. Our defense is much improved over last year; at least on paper.

He thought you meant we were not trying to win in a blowout, we wanted a close game. It was a completely inane post which is why you were confused.

I guess it's best not to reply to his posts.

[1niksder]

He thought you meant we were not trying to win in a blowout, we wanted a close game. It was a completely inane post which is why you were confused.

I guess it's best not to reply to his posts.

+1

[Redskins_Fanatic]

I have no idea what our record will be this year. But logic says if you keep a game close you have a chance to win. Our defense is much improved over last year; at least on paper.

Nobody can guarantee what our record will be. Personally, I don't think it'll be very good, but I could be wrong. My concern is primarily philosophical.... with the idea that trying to keep a game close and hope to win or lose the game by a small margin rather than going out and dominating the opponent, is an accptable goal. It's like telling the 6 year olds "well kids, at least you tried hard and they only won by a couple points/runs/goals. You'll get them next time." I understand this team is not built to dominate opponents. My concern is that this team will never again be built with the mentality or philosophy of running over our opponents like General Sherman did on his march to the sea.

[DarthMonk]

We've made progress.

Here's the original BLOW IT UP! followed by the original player specific.

Marty came here. Payroll was a then-record 100 MILLION dollars. Marty kept 22 guys. He replaced 31. 13 of the new guys were ROOKIES. He FIRED VINNY. He reduced payroll to 53 MILLION by letting go of almost all the high priced talent (can you say Deion?).

We went 0-5 and then 8-3 the rest of the way with TONY BANKS at QB.

We need to do this again. Let go of (release, trade, whatever makes sense) virtually every high priced guy. Accumulate compensatory picks. Pick LINEMEN. Find a runner. They are everywhere. If the hole is there Rock or Betts or some other guy (did we cut a guy named Mason?) we never heard of who costs less than 1 million can run through it and if it's not there he can slam it up in there for a yard or two. We should NEVER spend big bucks or 1st round picks on a runner.

Many teams have shown us we could be better than we are now in TWO years while getting YOUNGER and CHEAPER.

Player specific after nice post by dad23hogjrs:

Below is the post that laid out cap implications. It's great info. Let's assume they are good data. 2 things:

1) All the cap hits just last one year. Massive cap room results in 1 year.

2) We have yet to discuss compensatory picks.

"Under the NFL's collective bargaining agreement, teams that lose more or better "compensatory" free agents than they acquire in a year are eligible to receive compensatory draft choices. No team can receive more than four."

Now although it looks painful (and may be) if we let go of say Jansen, Portis, Taylor, and Washington we save a net of 3 million immediately and are well on our way to 4 compensatory picks as well as a quick extra 23 million in cap space a year down the road. Three of those players (Jansen, Taylor, Washington) figure to not really help us next year (based on age and the last couple of years) and Portis (already locker room poison?) can be replaced. He's not Jim Brown and even Brown was probably replaceable to a certain extent by Bobby Mitchell (ask Welch).

I say get rid of these guys and a few more (Springs and Daniels?) and get

1) 13 million of immediate relief

2) 30 million in space in 1 year

3) 4 more draft picks

4) younger

We might even get better immediately and certainly will long term - especially if we finish the blow up in one more year.

Cooley is an example of what we want to do. Draft wisely and pay a homegrown star. He's a keeper.

We should mostly let the remaining linemen play out their contracts and draft replacements. My personal favorite for the #13 is Alex Mack, a center. Most mock drafts put him around #20 so a trade down while getting an extra pick along with Mack could be a possibility. He is generally thought of as a potential all-pro and many say "the best lineman in the draft, period." Check this out:

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/Alex_Mack.htm

DarthMonk

]Blow it up?

Sure, here are some guys that would be a part of the "destruction"

ARE - moving him would increase our # against the cap 600k, we are already 3-4 M over, depending on where you get your info

Jansen - I've seen people coming for his head...great, that will cost you 2.78 million against the cap

Portis - YEAH, LETS GET CRAZY...crazy will cost you 7.7 M against the cap

Some other guys that not everyone is pointing pitch forks at, but would fit into blowing it up...

R. Thomas - costs you 4.5 M to move him; Moss - 464k against the cap to move; everyone on the "Trade Rogers" bandwagon - check this out - 1.43 M against the cap to pull that trigger

and my personal favorite:
"Trade cooley for a #2 OR 3" - that will cost you 8.1 M against the cap

We found a gem....so now you want to trade him so we can maybe do it again...but most likely not...makes sense.


You can't "Blow it Up" completely

why? because we laced the place with plutonium...


guys you can get rid of - more of a wittling

Springs - Saves 6M
Taylor - Saves 8.5M
M. Washington - Saves 4.5M
Griffin - Saves 3.62M
Rabach - Saves 2.35M
Daniels - Saves 2.3M

Sorry to say, everyone else costs you against the cap, or is worth more than what they save you against the cap.