DallasCowboysFan wrote:Hey Turd, Helmet to Helmet only counts on a defenseless player, ie Coles! BTW, we just had this same convo on another topic and you even used the video I posted!
Who cares. IMO it was legit. I went frame by frame and there was no helmet to helmet contact that I could distinguish. And I did not use any videos posted on this website. I linked to one. But now all are hosted on my site....
Primetime42 wrote:Seriously, why not put pink skirts on all the WR's and QB's in the league? It would be a lot easier. The game has been played like that for YEARS and no one complained. If you are afraid, then you shouldn't be out there. Now, I agree that blatant hits should be fined.
An example of this would be when the ball has hit the ground already, and the DB drills the WR, leading with the head (See: Dawkins, Brian) or an instance where a completion is not possible, leaving the WR 'defenseless'. I don't agree with this fine though. Once a WR has made contact with that ball, he's fair game. People seem to forget that when a DB drills someone with his head, he's doing more damage to himself than to the 'victim'. These things happen. To flag and/or fine something that was legal not to long ago is just nonsense to me.
And I would say this if this happened to a Cowboy too. Don't wanna be hit? Go be a cheerleader. This is FOOTBALL.
Well, football is kind of just rugby with pink shirts. The game started because rugby was being played seriously by Ivy League universities and people started getting killed. The president warned that he was going to ban the sport unless some rules were put in place to protect players so they started wearing pads and instituted the forward pass to spread out the field and the concept of downs to stop people from getting crushed in pile ups. Ever since then there have been many rules instituted in order to make the game less dangerous. Has it made the game worse? Well it seems pretty damn good now. A helmet to helmet rule is not going to kill the game although it may save some players. And I'm well aware that frequently it is the player applying the hit who may be at more risk. This doesn't make any difference, the other player may still get seriously injured. Football has nothing to do with trying to crack a guy in the head with the hardest part of your body when he is not looking.
Primetime42 wrote:Seriously, why not put pink skirts on all the WR's and QB's in the league? It would be a lot easier. The game has been played like that for YEARS and no one complained. If you are afraid, then you shouldn't be out there. Now, I agree that blatant hits should be fined.
An example of this would be when the ball has hit the ground already, and the DB drills the WR, leading with the head (See: Dawkins, Brian) or an instance where a completion is not possible, leaving the WR 'defenseless'. I don't agree with this fine though. Once a WR has made contact with that ball, he's fair game. People seem to forget that when a DB drills someone with his head, he's doing more damage to himself than to the 'victim'. These things happen. To flag and/or fine something that was legal not to long ago is just nonsense to me.
And I would say this if this happened to a Cowboy too. Don't wanna be hit? Go be a cheerleader. This is FOOTBALL.
Well, football is kind of just rugby with pink shirts. The game started because rugby was being played seriously by Ivy League universities and people started getting killed. The president warned that he was going to ban the sport unless some rules were put in place to protect players so they started wearing pads and instituted the forward pass to spread out the field and the concept of downs to stop people from getting crushed in pile ups. Ever since then there have been many rules instituted in order to make the game less dangerous. Has it made the game worse? Well it seems pretty damn good now. A helmet to helmet rule is not going to kill the game although it may save some players. And I'm well aware that frequently it is the player applying the hit who may be at more risk. This doesn't make any difference, the other player may still get seriously injured. Football has nothing to do with trying to crack a guy in the head with the hardest part of your body when he is not looking.
Do you mean the modification from just kicking the ball to moving it downfield? Cuz I'm pretty sure the game started out just the same as rugby BEFORE rugby...(Rutgers vs/ Princeton)
But I digress. Good points...except you misled me on one thing. The rules are more there to benefit the offenses, which results in high scoring games, which result in higher TV ratings, than they are to make the game safer. This has very little to do with the 'safety concern' that Mr Washington has at the NFL offices. It, like everything else in this nation, comes down to money.
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turdfurguson wrote: IMO it was legit. I went frame by frame and there was no helmet to helmet contact that I could distinguish.
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I was thinking man I was glad he lowered his sholder on the Cole hit. I guess they want to take the hitting out of the game.I would told him to pass on the Glen TD..Second game in a row he has blown all his time outs. Maybe he needs a guy to keep track of all those time outs for him...BTW the Second hit on Gardner looked more like Helmet to helmet.
Does anyone else see the inconsistencies in the NFL's actions after that game?
First we have numerous reports that the NFL apologized to the 'skins for TWO missed calls in the game.
Next we have the NFL fining Williams for a helmet-to-helmet that wasn't flagged. (That would be one missed call)
Simple logic means that either the Newman/Gardner or Glenn/Harris play was deemed "legal". One of them would have to be, or we would have seen reports of THREE apologies.
This space reserved for BTP......If he ever wins it.
again, the Glenn/Harris play was AT WORST a double penalty. No way Glenn gets a flag alone...progress was impeded.
"He's a playmaker, that's his label. They used to have strong safeties, but now they got another position: They're called playmakers." -Terence Newman on Roy Williams
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