Major fall off in participation in here

[riggofan]

3. Go find Scot McCloughan and grovel. Promise to double his salary. Sign an agreement Mr. Snyder will allow Scot to do his job with out meddling.

Agree with a lot of your comments, but I can't believe fans are still hanging on to this one. I appreciate that McCloughan was a breath of fresh air compared to the stale sweat and Aqua Velva stench of Bruce Allen. But McCloughan's draft record here was pretty bad by comparison. You can thank him for spending high draft picks on guys like Su'a Cravens and Josh Docston.

[welch]

At least we have good avatars.

We have the GREATEST avatars!!!

Welcome back, NC43!

[Wysocki]

What Welch said...

[gibbsfan]

I'm with welch too

[DarthMonk]

At least we have good avatars.

DUCK FALLAS

[markshark84]

I really like this website and community. The reason for my drop-off in posts/interest was a result of Scot's firing and not facebook or any alternative venues to discuss skins topics. When Scot was fired, it solidified my opinion that Danny boy is 100% incapable of being a hands-off owner. He did to Scot the same thing he did to anyone with a backbone that has been part of this organization --- fired them prematurely before their efforts/investment could materialize, defamed their character, and destroyed everything they were building upon. The fact the Astros won the WS and share the same sports ownership/management/FO philosophies I do only increased my interest in them (and therefore away from the skins). I feel like the success of the Caps is having a similar effect to those in DC. And honestly, the only reason I checked in here was to see if there were any anti-Danny boy rumblings similar to what I have been seeing in the Washington post and other places.

Fans can say what they want, but a new GM, coach, QB, draft picks, etc. won't resurrect this organization. We have had all those things in the past 20 years under Danny boy and he will do to future ones what he has done to all the past quality GM (we have only had 1 under Danny boy), coaches, QBs, and draft picks --- destroy them on account of his ego. Until Danny boy leaves, this franchise is a loser and waste of time. I will always love my skins, but I see no point in wasting my time or caring. I remember being upset when we lost and truly happy when we won. Those feelings are long gone. Pure, unadulterated apathy has set in.

I have said this numerous times over the past 10 years here, but I haven't given a cent to the franchise since 2000. I bought unlicensed jerseys and had a friend screenprint redskins t-shirts. I don't even do that anymore.

If fans truly want change, they need to completely destroy the franchise to the point Danny boy would have to sell, and then rebuilt it from scratch with a new, hands-off owner that puts real football minds in charge. Nothing else will work.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I'm tired of hearing one idiot repeat the same thing in every discussion. It's not even his own ideas he's repeating. It's not cute or funny. It ruins discussion forums. There's a reason there are so few people here beyond just that the Redskins suck and there's no hope of them ever being anything better. That's bad enough. But some of us are old enough to remember when they sucked before Gibbs and we didn't bail out on the team. Of course, back then we didn't have thirty-five year old "fans" living in their parent's basement and concern trolling forums on a daily basis. As bad as the team is there are thousands of Redskins forums more active than this one. There's one reason for that. No one wants to hear the same idiot repeat the same idiocy ad nauseum. Once is enough for any point or non-point. Life is too short to have it wasted by people with nothing to add. There are people here with a lot to add. Unfortunately their discussions always get buried by the same person. If this forum had a working mute function it would go a long way.

[welch]

I'm tired of hearing one idiot repeat the same thing in every discussion. It's not even his own ideas he's repeating. It's not cute or funny. It ruins discussion forums. There's a reason there are so few people here beyond just that the Redskins suck and there's no hope of them ever being anything better. That's bad enough. But some of us are old enough to remember when they sucked before Gibbs and we didn't bail out on the team. Of course, back then we didn't have thirty-five year old "fans" living in their parent's basement and concern trolling forums on a daily basis. As bad as the team is there are thousands of Redskins forums more active than this one. There's one reason for that. No one wants to hear the same idiot repeat the same idiocy ad nauseum. Once is enough for any point or non-point. Life is too short to have it wasted by people with nothing to add. There are people here with a lot to add. Unfortunately their discussions always get buried by the same person. If this forum had a working mute function it would go a long way.

B&G, I'm somewhat older that 35. Old enough that I might have bullied CT when he was in kindergarten. Old enough that I have been a Redskin fan since Eddie LeBaron began starting at QB, and have seen many bad Redskin teams. Old enough that I remember George Preston Marshall, the worst possible team owner until Dan Snyder convinced me otherwise.

Today, it is not simply that Dan Snyder runs a team that loses half its games, and has lost consistently since Snyder took the team from John Kent Cooke. It is the way that Snyder runs the team...the classless way he runs the Redskins, turning nearly everything my favorite football team does into low-grade slop. Go back and read Snyder "from A to Z for Zorn)" , a summary that runs up to 2010. Then fill in the last eight years. As the Post reports, management at other NFL teams compare Snyder to Jerry Jones, except that Jones makes money for other teams while Snyder leaves empty seats.

See Dave McKenna's almost comprehensive "Cranky Redskin Fan's Guide to Dan Snyder" at https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/new ... dan-snyder

Snyder recently hired Dave LaFemina from NFL HQ. The league seems to have sent LaFemina to pump water from the sinking Washington franchise. LaFemina worked to improve the Redskins' relationship with fans by improving life at Jack Kent Cooke Stadium on game-days, by lowering ticket prices to bring back fans. More recently, Snyder fired LaFemina, and the team promised to raise ticket prices.

There is losing, and then there is losing Snyder-style.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I'm tired of hearing one idiot repeat the same thing in every discussion. It's not even his own ideas he's repeating. It's not cute or funny. It ruins discussion forums. There's a reason there are so few people here beyond just that the Redskins suck and there's no hope of them ever being anything better. That's bad enough. But some of us are old enough to remember when they sucked before Gibbs and we didn't bail out on the team. Of course, back then we didn't have thirty-five year old "fans" living in their parent's basement and concern trolling forums on a daily basis. As bad as the team is there are thousands of Redskins forums more active than this one. There's one reason for that. No one wants to hear the same idiot repeat the same idiocy ad nauseum. Once is enough for any point or non-point. Life is too short to have it wasted by people with nothing to add. There are people here with a lot to add. Unfortunately their discussions always get buried by the same person. If this forum had a working mute function it would go a long way.

B&G, I'm somewhat older that 35. Old enough that I might have bullied CT when he was in kindergarten. Old enough that I have been a Redskin fan since Eddie LeBaron began starting at QB, and have seen many bad Redskin teams. Old enough that I remember George Preston Marshall, the worst possible team owner until Dan Snyder convinced me otherwise.

Today, it is not simply that Dan Snyder runs a team that loses half its games, and has lost consistently since Snyder took the team from John Kent Cooke. It is the way that Snyder runs the team...the classless way he runs the Redskins, turning nearly everything my favorite football team does into low-grade slop. Go back and read Snyder "from A to Z for Zorn)" , a summary that runs up to 2010. Then fill in the last eight years. As the Post reports, management at other NFL teams compare Snyder to Jerry Jones, except that Jones makes money for other teams while Snyder leaves empty seats.

See Dave McKenna's almost comprehensive "Cranky Redskin Fan's Guide to Dan Snyder" at https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/new ... dan-snyder

Snyder recently hired Dave LaFemina from NFL HQ. The league seems to have sent LaFemina to pump water from the sinking Washington franchise. LaFemina worked to improve the Redskins' relationship with fans by improving life at Jack Kent Cooke Stadium on game-days, by lowering ticket prices to bring back fans. More recently, Snyder fired LaFemina, and the team promised to raise ticket prices.

There is losing, and then there is losing Snyder-style.

Unless Snyder dies we're screwed. He will never sell the team. NEVER. You can use all caps. He's no fan of the Washington Redskins. He's just someone who never should have had the ability to purchase the franchise in the first place. Jack Kent Cooke screwed the pooch there. I think that's the real problem. There's no hope for a better future. I can't ever remember expecting the team to be .500 and not caring. That's where we are. So, when people bang on about how the owner or the front office need to do X I just roll my eyes. Twenty years of Dan Snyder not learning a damn thing. You've touched all of the bases on that subject. I won't be convinced Snyder has learned anything until he fires Bruce Allen. I don't mean moves him to another job. I mean tells him to pack his *sh$t* and get the *f$ck* out. I just don't think Snyder has it in him.

[welch]

I agree, B&G. I pay attention to what the Redskins do, and pay special attention once the season starts. Hope? Nope. GP Marshall was just as hopeless, and more out-front than Snyder. Marshall "was always a showman but not a football man", as my dad used to say. Marshall didn't bother to hire public relations staff to slew stupidity at us...Marshall just threw it where Shirley Povich could sling it back onto Marshall's head.

There was no hope with Marshall, but Marshall had a stroke that gave Edward Bennett Williams control of the team, and Williams sold a controlling chunk to Cooke. Not likely to happen with Snyder.

Meanwhile, the Nats just signed Brian Dozier to play 2B, and they seem still to be bidding for Bryce Harper. And the CAPS play tonight.

[riggofan]

Jack Kent Cooke screwed the pooch there. I think that's the real problem. There's no hope for a better future.

He sure as hell did!!! Thanks, Jack.

Personally though I'll never buy into the "there's no hope" thing. I wouldn't continue to watch the team if I believed that. It won't happen because of Snyder, but there's always the hope that the team lucks into finally drafting a franchise QB. Its insane to me that for as long as I've been a Redskins fan we've never had the same quarterback for more than like 3 or 4 years (at least not that I can remember).

The Browns have been worse than the Redskins for years, and I would argue have been more badly managed. But people are suddenly looking at them like they're on the rise. Ownership didn't change there. They drafted a QB who looks like he can play.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Jack Kent Cooke screwed the pooch there. I think that's the real problem. There's no hope for a better future.

He sure as hell did!!! Thanks, Jack.

Personally though I'll never buy into the "there's no hope" thing. I wouldn't continue to watch the team if I believed that. It won't happen because of Snyder, but there's always the hope that the team lucks into finally drafting a franchise QB. Its insane to me that for as long as I've been a Redskins fan we've never had the same quarterback for more than like 3 or 4 years (at least not that I can remember).

The Browns have been worse than the Redskins for years, and I would argue have been more badly managed. But people are suddenly looking at them like they're on the rise. Ownership didn't change there. They drafted a QB who looks like he can play.

Yes, but for the Redskins to Luck into that (pun intended) they would have to stop being mediocre and be downright awful for a season or two. They won't be mortgaging the future to trade up for another QB. Even Dan Snyder isn't stupid enough to repeat that history. They have no one who is a premier talent evaluator. The closest they had to one was a guy they let leave the building, Morocco Brown. The other problem is the perpetual elephant in the room: The Redskins suck ass at drafting and developing quarterbacks. They could draft the next Aaron Rodgers and find a way to screw up his development.

[DEHog]

Jack Kent Cooke screwed the pooch there. I think that's the real problem. There's no hope for a better future.

He sure as hell did!!! Thanks, Jack.

Personally though I'll never buy into the "there's no hope" thing. I wouldn't continue to watch the team if I believed that. It won't happen because of Snyder, but there's always the hope that the team lucks into finally drafting a franchise QB. Its insane to me that for as long as I've been a Redskins fan we've never had the same quarterback for more than like 3 or 4 years (at least not that I can remember).

The Browns have been worse than the Redskins for years, and I would argue have been more badly managed. But people are suddenly looking at them like they're on the rise. Ownership didn't change there. They drafted a QB who looks like he can play.

Didn't ownership change there recently?

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Jack Kent Cooke screwed the pooch there. I think that's the real problem. There's no hope for a better future.

He sure as hell did!!! Thanks, Jack.

Personally though I'll never buy into the "there's no hope" thing. I wouldn't continue to watch the team if I believed that. It won't happen because of Snyder, but there's always the hope that the team lucks into finally drafting a franchise QB. Its insane to me that for as long as I've been a Redskins fan we've never had the same quarterback for more than like 3 or 4 years (at least not that I can remember).

The Browns have been worse than the Redskins for years, and I would argue have been more badly managed. But people are suddenly looking at them like they're on the rise. Ownership didn't change there. They drafted a QB who looks like he can play.

Didn't ownership change there recently?

Jimmy Haslam bought the Browns seven years ago. Before that he was a minority owner of the Steelers.

[SkinsJock]

Personally though I'll never buy into the "there's no hope" thing. I wouldn't continue to watch the team if I believed that. It won't happen because of Snyder, but there's always the hope that the team lucks into finally drafting a franchise QB. Its insane to me that for as long as I've been a Redskins fan we've never had the same quarterback for more than like 3 or 4 years (at least not that I can remember).

The Browns have been worse than the Redskins for years, and I would argue have been more badly managed. But people are suddenly looking at them like they're on the rise. Ownership didn't change there. They drafted a QB who looks like he can play.

The Cleveland Browns struggles have been magnified since 2012, when the Lerner family sold the team to businessman Jimmy Haslam. In six seasons under the Haslam ownership, the Browns went through four head coaches and four general managers, none of whom had found success

The Browns are noticeably better with John Dorsey as GM and their fans have a lot to look forward to

I don't believe "there's no hope" - but, the only way this franchise gets better is when Dan Snyder stops interfering & hires a GM like Dorsey

If we had Brady and Belichick here, Brady would retire and Belichick would resign in frustration

it's not the players or the coaches it's the culture that exists with this owner managing this franchise

Dan Snyder is not going anywhere - he just needs to stop hurting this franchise and the NFL

[welch]

I think the important move for the Browns came when they hired John Dorsey as GM. He seems like a professional, and he built the KC Chiefs. Snyder fired Charlie Casserly and hired Vinnie Cerrato about 2000. After four seasons when Joe Gibbs seemed to have more influence, it was back to Cerrato when Gibbs retired. Then Bruce Allen.

The future? Snyder ought to hire a good GM, having failed for 20 years with Cerrato and Allen. Draft the best players possible but ignore QB and tank in 2019. Then look for a QB.

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I think the important move for the Browns came when they hired John Dorsey as GM. He seems like a professional, and he built the KC Chiefs. Snyder fired Charlie Casserly and hired Vinnie Cerrato about 2000. After four seasons when Joe Gibbs seemed to have more influence, it was back to Cerrato when Gibbs retired. Then Bruce Allen.

The future? Snyder ought to hire a good GM, having failed for 20 years with Cerrato and Allen. Draft the best players possible but ignore QB and tank in 2019. Then look for a QB.

If you're a real general manager the last place you want to work is Redskins Park. You'd work for Jerry Jones first.

[riggofan]

Yeah, that's a great point about John Dorsey.