chiefhog44 wrote:Barry has an awful record as a coach as a DC with multiple teams. He hasn't been successful. I thought the same of Haslet before he was hired. It's really not that complicated. I could and hope I'm wrong but most likely will not be.
I hope you're wrong too. Honestly man, I just look at that defense and I don't feel optimistic about anybody coming in here and having much success immediately. Whether its Joe Barry or Vic Fangio. I guess that's why I'm not ready to get all up in arms about it. The defense is basically Ryan Kerrigan and ten other dudes at this point.
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Redskin in Canada wrote:The stupid thing about this hiring is that, just when Snyder and Allen had given hope about letting a true football GM do his job, we go back to cronyism and bad choices.
Why should Scot McGloughan be responsible for hiring the defensive coordinator rather than Jay Gruden? What coordinators has McGloughan been responsible for hiring in the past? What experience does he have with coaching?
Let's have McGloughan answer that question himself:
Although Redskins general manager Scot McCloughan will oversee the construction of the 2015 Redskins’ roster, he said he does not intend to hire the team’s next defensive coordinator.
That responsibility, McCloughan said, belongs to Jay Gruden.
“It’s Jay’s call,” McCloughan said. “The head coach hires the coaches.”
Which signals another bit of change in protocol under McCloughan. He feels strongly that Gruden's staff decisions must be left up to Gruden, who has been interviewing candidates since parting ways with Jim Haslett on Dec. 31.
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Wow, everyone is all worked up over this hire. Scot should add 3-4 good defensive players from the draft and free agency this year and next and if we don't improve, Jay and Joe will be gone.
IMO, adding quality players over the next couple years is the most important thing anyway!
Having coaches that get along is really important --Jay and Bruce must like this guy, think they can get along with him, let it happen!
I know this has to be a Danny hire as no one likes him!
fredp45 wrote:Wow, everyone is all worked up over this hire. Scot should add 3-4 good defensive players from the draft and free agency this year and next and if we don't improve, Jay and Joe will be gone.
IMO, adding quality players over the next couple years is the most thing anyway!
Having coaches that get along is really important --Jay and Bruce must like this guy, think they can get along with him, let it happen!
I know this has to be a Danny hire as no one likes him!
Ah don't worry man. If it doesn't work out, we'll find some way to blame Danny.
I just gotta say again, the bar for improving this defense is REALLY not very high. WE SUCK.
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ok brother, if and when the media points at the different views at the FO, I will bring it to your attention. As usual, it will take time but you will confirm.
riggofan wrote: Coaches need players.
Agreed. This is a rebuilding organization.
But the converse is also true:
Players need coaches. You screw one side up, and the other also pays the consequences.
The stupid thing about this hiring is that, just when Snyder and Allen had given hope about letting a true football GM do his job, we go back to cronyism and bad choices. I guess we will all have to forgive the many thousands who see this project as a LONGER term process if AT ALL
So if Fangio was hired it would have been SM call, but since Barry was hired it was Allen??
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
fredp45 wrote:Wow, everyone is all worked up over this hire. Scot should add 3-4 good defensive players from the draft and free agency this year and next and if we don't improve, Jay and Joe will be gone.
IMO, adding quality players over the next couple years is the most important thing anyway!
Having coaches that get along is really important --Jay and Bruce must like this guy, think they can get along with him, let it happen!
I know this has to be a Danny hire as no one likes him!
So it may not be that easy. Let's say that the GM drafts players to fit our system* and we ditch the coaches after this year. Next coach goes to a 4-3. Well we just wasted a year of draft picks, free agents, and player development then. It's not exactly as simple as plug and play.
*Despite talk about BPA, we wouldn't draft an undersized, penetrating DT, for example, because that player just doesn't work in a 3-4. Or a small sized OLB, like a Derrick Brooks, because 3-4 LBs are all big.
fredp45 wrote:Wow, everyone is all worked up over this hire. Scot should add 3-4 good defensive players from the draft and free agency this year and next and if we don't improve, Jay and Joe will be gone.
IMO, adding quality players over the next couple years is the most important thing anyway!
Having coaches that get along is really important --Jay and Bruce must like this guy, think they can get along with him, let it happen!
I know this has to be a Danny hire as no one likes him!
So it may not be that easy. Let's say that the GM drafts players to fit our system* and we ditch the coaches after this year. Next coach goes to a 4-3. Well we just wasted a year of draft picks, free agents, and player development then. It's not exactly as simple as plug and play.
*Despite talk about BPA, we wouldn't draft an undersized, penetrating DT, for example, because that player just doesn't work in a 3-4. Or a small sized OLB, like a Derrick Brooks, because 3-4 LBs are all big.
Are we still running 3-4...This guy grew up in the Tampa cover 2 D...not alot of 3-4 experience..
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
You know, I've had enough of us "winning the offseason" and making big splashes... but is hiring one coach with both experience AND success at his position too much to ask?
ok brother, if and when the media points at the different views at the FO, I will bring it to your attention. As usual, it will take time but you will confirm.
riggofan wrote: Coaches need players.
Agreed. This is a rebuilding organization.
But the converse is also true:
Players need coaches. You screw one side up, and the other also pays the consequences.
The stupid thing about this hiring is that, just when Snyder and Allen had given hope about letting a true football GM do his job, we go back to cronyism and bad choices. I guess we will all have to forgive the many thousands who see this project as a LONGER term process if AT ALL
So if Fangio was hired it would have been SM call, but since Barry was hired it was Allen??
Let me be clear:
This is a Jay Gruden choice regardless of who is chosen. The final decision is made when THAT choice is brought up to the attention of the FO because the Team hires, not the HC. Different FO members may and often do give their views but it is STILL the prerogative of the HC to make the decision in most cases. This is a Jay Gruden choice notwithstanding different views in support and others offering other options. Clear now?
Daniel Snyder has defined incompetence, failure and greed to true Washington Redskins fans for over a decade and a half. Stay away from football operations !!!
PulpExposure wrote:So it may not be that easy. Let's say that the GM drafts players to fit our system* and we ditch the coaches after this year. Next coach goes to a 4-3. Well we just wasted a year of draft picks, free agents, and player development then. It's not exactly as simple as plug and play.
+1
Daniel Snyder has defined incompetence, failure and greed to true Washington Redskins fans for over a decade and a half. Stay away from football operations !!!
fredp45 wrote:Damn, are all Canadians as prickly as you today?
You sound like you're in the know...or just surmising like the rest of us??
Just like you all, bro
Just like all ... but keep your eye on the media. This hire will be heavily scrutinised by the media. You will confirm.
Daniel Snyder has defined incompetence, failure and greed to true Washington Redskins fans for over a decade and a half. Stay away from football operations !!!
This is a Jay Gruden choice regardless of who is chosen. The final decision is made when THAT choice is brought up to the attention of the FO because the Team hires, not the HC. Different FO members may and often do give their views but it is STILL the prerogative of the HC to make the decision in most cases. This is a Jay Gruden choice notwithstanding different views in support and others offering other options. Clear now?
No?? Your saying Gruden doesn't have final say...
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
This is a Jay Gruden choice regardless of who is chosen. The final decision is made when THAT choice is brought up to the attention of the FO because the Team hires, not the HC. Different FO members may and often do give their views but it is STILL the prerogative of the HC to make the decision in most cases. This is a Jay Gruden choice notwithstanding different views in support and others offering other options. Clear now?
No?? Your saying Gruden doesn't have final say...
Clear as mud.
I'm really not sure what he is getting so up in arms about to be honest. The team clearly wanted Vic Fangio. Fangio preferred Chicago. The team hired their second choice. What do prerogatives and different views from the FO have to do with it?
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PulpExposure wrote:So it may not be that easy. Let's say that the GM drafts players to fit our system* and we ditch the coaches after this year. Next coach goes to a 4-3. Well we just wasted a year of draft picks, free agents, and player development then. It's not exactly as simple as plug and play.
+1
Hold up a sec! I have an ingenious solution to that problem! We could just hire a coach who runs the 4-3 so we don't have to worry about it! We could, like, make it part of the interview/selection process even!!!
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Redskin in Canada wrote:Just like all ... but keep your eye on the media. This hire will be heavily scrutinised by the media. You will confirm.
Confirm WHAT? That Vic Fangio took another job and we had to hire our second choice?
The hire was being scrutinized by the media five seconds after it hit twitter. No surprises there.
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I'm actually finding this topic about our 4-3 v 3-4 personnel kind of funny. How many guys on that defense are we actually hoping will be around in another two or three years???
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riggofan wrote:I'm actually finding this topic about our 4-3 v 3-4 personnel kind of funny. How many guys on that defense are we actually hoping will be around in another two or three years???
4-3 vs 3-4 in terms of our roster doesnt really matter... the guys worth keeping can do either. Then 3-4has had more recent success lately in the league especially with putting pressure on the qb.... but if you get the right 4 man front that can pressure without bringing linebackers in.... it dominates the 3-4 in my opinion.
Mike Jones ✔ @MikeJonesWaPo Follow Gruden said an official offer was never extended to Fangio. Said they felt like his mind was already made up on Chicago. 12:48 PM - 20 Jan 2015
Proverbs 27:17 As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another.
I do think that Jay chose his DC - I also don't understand why it's that big a deal - if he made a bad choice, he will be gone soon ...
the franchise now has a GM and as long as Snyder let's him make the personnel choices here, I'm going to wait and see what happens
I really did not expect much from the next 2 seasons as Scot gets himself established here
many of us expected this franchise to have a very difficult time of it for at least a year - what's the big deal?
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
