Scott On Griffin

[DEHog]

Anybody else notice the similarities between Wilson and RG last night…yea me either!! Can we please put to rest any comparisons of these two and the argument that RG won ROY over him!!

Player Att Comp Yds Comp % Yds/Att TD TD % INT INT % Long Sck Sack/Lost Rating
Robert Griffin III
214 147 1694 68.7 7.9 4 1.9 6 2.8 69 33 227 86.9
Kirk Cousins
204 126 1710 61.8 8.4 10 4.9 9 4.4 81 8 70 86.4


Its interesting to look at their stats…can’t find a stat on this but it’s worth mentioning Kirk threw the ball down field much more than RG, which speaks to the coaches confidence in them and a bit to Kirks INT's. It’s evident by the fact that while RG had 21 more completions, he threw for fewer yards. The sacks really stand out, only 10 more attempts than Kirk but a whopping 25 more sacks!! As for the argument that Kirk threw INT’s to avoid sacks, well that would still leave RG with 16 more sacks. There are numerous reasons for the sacks but when you have a difference like this it’s clearly a QB issue. Yes folks want to point to Kirks INT’s , 7 of them came in 2 games. It happens and it something that Kirk has to fix and is easier to fix than RG’s issues. I hope there is a “fair” and open competition this year....I think it's Kirks to lose/ I understand the argument that we gave up so much for RG and it will be hard to admit that the trade was a mistake, but the bigger mistake in my opinion would be forcing him on this team for one year, game, or down more than necessary because of it!!

[emoses14]

I'm not getting into the debate between griff and cousins or about griff being a bust, I've made my feelings on both known, and the latter is fallacious in the first instance.

What I'd like to point out is the tone that is being taken almost across the board in the SM named new GM thread and the other mentions about him is that this guy knows what he's talking about and has a proven record. But in this thread he wishy washy, or dreaming or "on the reservation" (way to go giving that a derogatory connotation) or what have you for making a statement that is factually accurate and clearly well thought out for a guy who has not begun to evaluate the roster fully. In other words, the hand wringing (on both sides) here is again a byproduct of our own issues not those of the subject being discussed. Cousins isn't a gutless wonder with no hope for improvement and griffin is not a uncoachable walking injury.

He wasn't going to answer the question with "I'm cutting that bust tomorrow" nor with "he is our franchise QB, regardless, let's go!" What he did say, pretty much was the most sensible response. Anything else read into what he said is a reflection of you, not your searing insight into him.

[emoses14]

Anybody else notice the similarities between Wilson and RG last night…yea me either!! Can we please put to rest any comparisons of these two and the argument that RG won ROY over him!!

Player Att Comp Yds Comp % Yds/Att TD TD % INT INT % Long Sck Sack/Lost Rating
Robert Griffin III
214 147 1694 68.7 7.9 4 1.9 6 2.8 69 33 227 86.9
Kirk Cousins
204 126 1710 61.8 8.4 10 4.9 9 4.4 81 8 70 86.4


Its interesting to look at their stats…can’t find a stat on this but it’s worth mentioning Kirk threw the ball down field much more than RG, which speaks to the coaches confidence in them and a bit to Kirks INT's. It’s evident by the fact that while RG had 21 more completions, he threw for fewer yards. The sacks really stand out, only 10 more attempts than Kirk but a whopping 25 more sacks!! As for the argument that Kirk threw INT’s to avoid sacks, well that would still leave RG with 16 more sacks. There are numerous reasons for the sacks but when you have a difference like this it’s clearly a QB issue. Yes folks want to point to Kirks INT’s , 7 of them came in 2 games. It happens and it something that Kirk has to fix and is easier to fix than RG’s issues. I hope there is a “fair” and open competition this year....I think it's Kirks to lose/ I understand the argument that we gave up so much for RG and it will be hard to admit that the trade was a mistake, but the bigger mistake in my opinion would be forcing him on this team for one year, game, or down more than necessary because of it!!

Well no, the argument that griff won Roy over him is factually accurate. Griff was rookie of the year in the year that Wilson was a rookie, so. . . As for comparisons right now, no there isn't one. These, by the way, are 2 different points.

[DEHog]

Anybody else notice the similarities between Wilson and RG last night…yea me either!! Can we please put to rest any comparisons of these two and the argument that RG won ROY over him!!

Player Att Comp Yds Comp % Yds/Att TD TD % INT INT % Long Sck Sack/Lost Rating
Robert Griffin III
214 147 1694 68.7 7.9 4 1.9 6 2.8 69 33 227 86.9
Kirk Cousins
204 126 1710 61.8 8.4 10 4.9 9 4.4 81 8 70 86.4


Its interesting to look at their stats…can’t find a stat on this but it’s worth mentioning Kirk threw the ball down field much more than RG, which speaks to the coaches confidence in them and a bit to Kirks INT's. It’s evident by the fact that while RG had 21 more completions, he threw for fewer yards. The sacks really stand out, only 10 more attempts than Kirk but a whopping 25 more sacks!! As for the argument that Kirk threw INT’s to avoid sacks, well that would still leave RG with 16 more sacks. There are numerous reasons for the sacks but when you have a difference like this it’s clearly a QB issue. Yes folks want to point to Kirks INT’s , 7 of them came in 2 games. It happens and it something that Kirk has to fix and is easier to fix than RG’s issues. I hope there is a “fair” and open competition this year....I think it's Kirks to lose/ I understand the argument that we gave up so much for RG and it will be hard to admit that the trade was a mistake, but the bigger mistake in my opinion would be forcing him on this team for one year, game, or down more than necessary because of it!!

Well no, the argument that griff won Roy over him is factually accurate. Griff was rookie of the year in the year that Wilson was a rookie, so. . . As for comparisons right now, no there isn't one. These, by the way, are 2 different points.

Well yes and no...some use that FACT to make the COMPARISON!! I really don't see what winning the ROY has to do with today.

[Irn-Bru]

It doesn't have anything to do with today, but for whatever it is worth, RGIII was the better QB in his rookie season. Kind of strange to bring it up when no one else has been talking about it, DEHog, especially since you only brought it up to dismiss (reject?) it.

(And anyway, I doubt that RGIII's superiority in that one year has any impact on how Wilson sees himself at the moment. Pretty sure he's feeling good about his career up to this point.)

[Irn-Bru]

What I'd like to point out is the tone that is being taken almost across the board in the SM named new GM thread and the other mentions about him is that this guy knows what he's talking about and has a proven record. But in this thread he wishy washy, or dreaming or "on the reservation" (way to go giving that a derogatory connotation) or what have you for making a statement that is factually accurate and clearly well thought out for a guy who has not begun to evaluate the roster fully.

+1

If anyone here is wondering what a master of the craft does when he gets control of a franchise, sit back and watch. He's going to say and do some things that you disagree with, but if he is who we thought he was, it's all going to be OK.

[DEHog]

^you may want to reread this topic

[Irn-Bru]

My bad, I didn't see that part of ck's post where he mentioned the ROY award.

But in fairness to him, he wasn't saying that RGIII is better now because he won ROY.

[riggofan]

He's going to say and do some things that you disagree with, but if he is who we thought he was, it's all going to be OK.

The best thing possible for this franchise will be for McGloughan to say and do some things that the fans disagree with. I want to see him say and do A LOT of thing that the fans disagree with!

[Neo]

From all reports Scot's evaluating every single player on the roster & also trying to figure out how to make the best out of what he's got

it's a process - let's see how it goes before we 'decide' how it's going to be

Agreed. The media in this area are pure scum. They're just trying to milk anything they can out of him so they can turn into more BS drama.

I'm not worried about our new GM. He will figure out what the team needs.

[Neo]

On the reservation?
I wouldnt call it cynical- you're just wrong.
I hate to beat a dead horse, but becuase you cant seem to get over the griff hate ill indulge you.

Your boy Cousins is a gutless wonder who is likely colour blind! And our options are whaaat?!
Like our new gm said- he took us to the playoffs, has had some BIG setbacks, is learning a new scheme (nearly a new position from his background)- coupled with poor protection, AND most importantly hes under contract.

Im not making a case to pick up his option, despite my belief in him- merely saying what any smart man should. He is ours. We gave up a ton. Hes flashed the skills and the Grit. There should be an open comp to see how badly these guys want it (Colt not an option for the starter imo). Griff can improve his foot work- can Kirk improve his vision and accuracy? Luckily both will benefit from a better line..

These statements are exaxtly what Scott should say. Not giving up, but definitely sending notice that EVERY stsrting position is eanred... as it should be

Ask any coach and they'll tell it's much easier to correct Cousins than RG...IMO Cousins will be in the NFL longer than RG...

Lol ask Art briles! Haha seriously tho-
Whats Kirks record as a starter??? 1/8?? Turn over ratio?? I know he led the league with one and a 1/4 less games then any other qb until benched for the third stringer. :/
Broken any records?

I know the vast majority of our Redskins nation is done with Robert, and any excuses. I get that. 2012 mightve been all we get for all those picks, and for me- it was worth it.

The point is exactly what Scott has confirmed- you dont give up on a young qb who has already been THE guy. ROY over Luck and Wilson and Tanny- that happened! He has hit adversity but hasnt been broken, which is HUGE imo. His will power is inspiring to me, but more then anything we have nothing to GAIN by dropping him- so why be the Skins of the past and make a dumb move in haste just for it to blow up in our faces and have another probowler- on the wrong team

You got a pair on you for saying all those picks were worth it for 2012. I agree with you wholeheartedly. That year brought back a lot of those old feelings I had been without for too long. In hind sight, I don't regret any of it; he was phenominal; doing epic *sh$t* with basic people. We were "the Red Hot Redskins"...the respect was back. That game against Dallas was my Super Bowl.

That's over now, or so it seems, but now we have an office in place to rebuild this team intelligently with hidden gems. If Robert has a break through while working with our future players, that's all the sweeter.

2012 was worth it all. I was 8yrs old again.

[Neo]

btw - the new GM's first name is Scot ... might as well get that part right - nothing else makes much sense ....

there's an awful lot of doom and gloom speculating going on and this guy hasn't even been on the staff for a week ...

it's going to take a while for this kid to be able to help this franchise and we should at least give him a little 'credit'

I think from what we've heard and read this kid will do a decent job here and how hard will it be to do better than what we've had ...

the only worry or concern that I have has nothing to do with Scot prior to now - Dan Snyder has to stay out of the way
we all know that Dan likes to 'help' and I'm sure if he does offer, Scot will 'listen' - that is NOT a good thing

that's all - this kid will help the franchise and Jay if they (Dan & Bruce) let him do his thing

I'm willing to bet that he's very aware of what an opportunity this is for him and I'm sure he'll take advantage of that




I also think that at first he's got a pretty open mind about all the players that are here and will give everyone a shot at staying

it will be interesting to see how the players respond to this 'open competition' for starting status here

Every player's status is going to be based on what 'value' they are to this franchise going forward - THAT's ALL

Scot doesn't strike me as a yes man though. Am I missing something?

You'll have to forgive me none the less as I'm once again in post season delusional mode at the moment. Snyder has once again made it on my "Pending Sh!t List" list.

He will be backon it again soon enough.

[Bishop Hammer]

I didn't hear the interview but it sounds wishy-washy to me, very disappointing. He is supposed to evaluate, thats not an evaluation thats wishful thinking.
We've had enough of that.

Well bloody hail what do you expect him to say? He's not even a month into his tenure its nice to have someone in charge who wants to weigh all his options and make an informed decision on facts than emotion.

I'm not saying Griffins the man or Cousins a bust its too soon to tell on either one. I'm with McClough in the wait and see department.

[welch]

Sounds to me like the new guy has good common sense. Beathard and Gibbs never criticized a player -- especially a QB. They judged, decided, and moved on. Maybe Griffin will be as starter. If not, we'll learn when the GM and head coach decide it's time.

Maybe...just maybe...Snyder has had enough bad games from bad teams that he's willing to let smart guys run things. Joe Gibbs ran a different sort of team from 2004 - 2007. I'm hoping.

[Deadskins]

Cut bait. Move on.

Thank God they fired you, Vinny, and have now hired a real GM.

[riggofan]

Cut bait. Move on.

Thank God they fired you, Vinny, and have now hired a real GM.

Watch tape. Evaluate. Make a football decision.

There's not a person posting here that is more qualified than McCloughan to make a call on Griffin. Let's see what he thinks!

[emoses14]

Silly riggofan, our hot taeks can not wait!

[riggofan]

Silly riggofan, our hot taeks can not wait!

I know it.

In September we'll be calling for RGIII to be benched. In October we'll be demanding that Gruden is fired. In late November, fans will be suggesting Scot McGloughan is back on the sauce and has to go. And in December, it will all be Snyder's fault again.

Life as a modern Redskins fan.

[FanofallthatisGibbs]

RGIII took the NFL by storm. How? Simple - his feet made his vision look great. Here's how I break it down (oversimplified for sure):

1. Look for single safety, if so go deep.
2. Use the college-esque option reads to keep the DEs at bay (i.e., slows the rush for those deep balls).
3. Call you own number for a designed QB run when the defense is spread in protection of the option.
4. Let your RB work between the numbers, let the QB work in open space (why does Griffin still not understand how to slide as athletic as the man is? crazy).
5. If your first read is not there, tuck 'n run with it (keeps INT rate very low).

These simple steps led to an almost indefensible system with a "healthy" Griffin. I mean that physically and MENTALLY. His confidence is busted to all sorts of pieces by now, which he needs if he ever has aspirations as a pocket QB. Sadly, I just don't think you can change the stripes of the animal.

Is Griffin smart enough to learn Gruden's system. I have no doubt. I just don't believe that he is durable or mentally confident enough to trust his legs to get 5-7 yards when protection breaks down. Griffin still needs to scramble for the offense to be successful. He'll force INTs once he gets tired of sitting on his arse for holding the ball too long due to WRs not open and/or weak vision to check down on receivers fast enough.

Just my two cents. I wish I had great alternatives for the team. I don't. It's gonna be hard to "fix" this mess. Good luck to Scot, he's gonna need it.