I Was Wrong About Cousins

[Mirttinur]

I still maintain that Robert Griffin III is also a bust. Griffin peaked in 2012. And, while it would be awesome if he proved me wrong... he won't.

I don't know why people insist on writing this crap. Why not just end with "It would be awesome if he proved me wrong..."? If this is your opinion, then fine, I just find it completely demoralizing as a fan.

Amen. We don't quite know what RG3 is going to be yet, and anyone that says otherwise is being overconfident and negative.

[riggofan]

I don't agree - the 2 biggest issues we have is with the O line and the D line - yes the secondary is an issue but the depth and talent of our linemen, sucks big time

I'll wait and see how they play the rest of the season but they are not good at protecting the QB or helping Morris at all

I just don't know what you're basing that opinion on at all other than some gut feeling.

The o-line has protected the QBs better than 18 other teams in the league if you've looked at sacks allowed. Our sucks big time d-line has not allowed a 100 yard rusher yet this season. The secondary is without a doubt our biggest issue.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2237 ... y-problems

As for the run blocking, its not all on the offensive line either:

Morris isn't helped by poor blocking, most obvious on the edges where wafer-thin wide receivers and lightweight tight ends are guilty. But it's also true that the basic scheme, based off the zone stretch, has become predictable.

[DarthMonk]

Griffin should not start until after the bye.

Careful. I said that last year and ... well ... it wasn't pretty.

[riggofan]

Griffin should not start until after the bye.

He should start when he's healed and when he's practiced enough to be prepared to play. The bye week is just an arbitrary date.

[Deadskins]

Griffin should not start until after the bye.

He should start when he's healed and when he's practiced enough to be prepared to play. The bye week is just an arbitrary date.

+1

[StorminMormon86]

Griffin should not start until after the bye.

He should start when he's healed and when he's practiced enough to be prepared to play. The bye week is just an arbitrary date.

Which is why I said not until after the bye.

Everything I'm hearing is that he's still playing "gingerly" on his leg/foot.

[DarthMonk]

Griffin should not start until after the bye.

He should start when he's healed and when he's practiced enough to be prepared to play. The bye week is just an arbitrary date.

Not immediately after the bye but at least until after.

He will not be healed nor will he have practiced enough until after the bye ... IMO.

[Deadskins]

He will not be healed nor will he have practiced enough until after the bye ... IMO.

And what, pray tell, is this opinion based on?

[DarthMonk]

He will not be healed nor will he have practiced enough until after the bye ... IMO.

And what, pray tell, is this opinion based on?

History and visual evidence.

No need to pray.

Quite naturally, my opinion could be wrong. #shrug

In your opinion, will he both ... be healed and have practiced enough ... to start before the bye? Just askin'.

[gushogs]

Here are my thoughts on the subject:
Oldschool, I was wrong too.
Like what somebody said about Kirk dropping the keys and now Colt doing the driving...
As of last Sunday, I don't think Kirk is even a quality backup in the NFL. A back up comes in to secure a score o produce a comeback. He just throws INTs.
Do we need to start thinking of a new QB? NO. Let Robert heal properly and see what he's got for us.
HaiL,

[Deadskins]

He will not be healed nor will he have practiced enough until after the bye ... IMO.

And what, pray tell, is this opinion based on?

History and visual evidence.

No need to pray.

Quite naturally, my opinion could be wrong. #shrug

In your opinion, will he both ... be healed and have practiced enough ... to start before the bye? Just askin'.

That was just my point. I have no basis to form an opinion, as I am not a medical professional and haven't examined RGIII, nor am I a coach who has seen him at practice lately. These are the same reasons I don't think you are qualified to form that opinion.

[DarthMonk]

That was just my point. I have no basis to form an opinion, as I am not a medical professional and haven't examined RGIII, nor am I a coach who has seen him at practice lately. These are the same reasons I don't think you are qualified to form that opinion.

Sorry but I smell cop out and almost call BS. No basis?? Not buying. You need all that stuff to form an opinion??

Since I have eyes and a memory and pay attention to what I have seen, I am quite qualified to form my opinion. Like I said, it may be wrong, but I have it and I'm owning it.

I remember last year and I've seen him warm up before the last few games. He was limping noticeably Sunday.

I have a basis for an opinion. It may be wrong but I have a basis and am not afraid to state my conclusion.

#shrug

[Deadskins]

That was just my point. I have no basis to form an opinion, as I am not a medical professional and haven't examined RGIII, nor am I a coach who has seen him at practice lately. These are the same reasons I don't think you are qualified to form that opinion.

Sorry but I smell cop out and almost call BS. No basis?? Not buying. You need all that stuff to form an opinion??

Since I have eyes and a memory and pay attention to what I have seen, I am quite qualified to form my opinion. Like I said, it may be wrong, but I have it and I'm owning it.

I remember last year and I've seen him warm up before the last few games. He was limping noticeably Sunday.

I have a basis for an opinion. It may be wrong but I have a basis and am not afraid to state my conclusion.

#shrug

I disagree. You stated that he would not be healed, and would not have practiced enough until after the bye. Maybe you saw him limping, but I didn't. Either way, you have absolutely no way of knowing that he is three weeks away from being healed, or hasn't practiced enough. To claim to know otherwise is disengenuous at best. Saying it is just an opinion is the cop out here, not my asking how you know.

[riggofan]

I have a basis for an opinion. It may be wrong but I have a basis and am not afraid to state my conclusion.

What's the basis for your opinion?

You're not on the practice field and you haven't examined RGIII. So "He will not be healed nor will he have practiced enough until after the bye" isn't an opinion. Its a prediction.

[Deadskins]

I have a basis for an opinion. It may be wrong but I have a basis and am not afraid to state my conclusion.

What's the basis for your opinion?

You're not on the practice field and you haven't examined RGIII. So "He will not be healed nor will he have practiced enough until after the bye" isn't an opinion. Its a prediction.

That was the point I was trying to make. And history is not a valid basis for that "opinion." This is a totally different injury, and a different coaching staff, so history doesn't apply to either part of that prediction.

[SkinsJock]

I posted this in another thread ...

I do not think most of us including the coaches have the same concerns about Griffin - Cousins was the back up and was given a shot at both helping the team until Griffin was ready to play again and hopefully make the most of his opportunity to maybe be worth some more to another team if he decided he did not want to be the back up here

some thought that Cousins might be a better QB than Griffin - I did not and I really don't think the FO or Gruden thought that either

When he's ready, Griffin will be starting again but I do not think he needs anything more than more time to develop some skills that Gruden (and Griffin) think will make him a better QB than we've seen since he became an NFL QB

I am not worried that Griffin will become a better QB - he will

the real benefit of that development is going to be next season when we have a chance to replace a lot of the players on this squad

HAIL

[grampi]

I was wrong about Cousins too...I guess we just don't have any good QBs...at least none good enough to turn this team into a winner anyway...

[DarthMonk]

I have a basis for an opinion. It may be wrong but I have a basis and am not afraid to state my conclusion.

What's the basis for your opinion?

You're not on the practice field and you haven't examined RGIII. So "He will not be healed nor will he have practiced enough until after the bye" isn't an opinion. Its a prediction.

Asked and answered.

Call it a prediction if you like. That doesn't disqualify it as an opinion. It certainly isn't fact, right?

People (Deadman) are now taking my intentionally inserted "IMO" and asking how I "know." I never said I did. That's one of the things that makes it an opinion.

Here's the original in case you didn't see it:

Griffin should not start until after the bye.

He should start when he's healed and when he's practiced enough to be prepared to play. The bye week is just an arbitrary date.

Not immediately after the bye but at least until after.

He will not be healed nor will he have practiced enough until after the bye ... IMO.

I'll give you my basis again. "History and visual evidence."

?s: Any first team reps yet? Any planting and cutting on the ankle?

If you don't think I have an adequate basis to form a really good opinion - fine. But to say I have no basis is absurd and wrong ... IMO.

It's pretty funny actually. I'm sitting on a sofa with my best friend watching Griff limp and he says to me "In your opinion, should Griff start before the bye?" I say "No." He asks me "Why?" I say "Look, he still has a hitch in his giddyup. We played Russian Roulette with him against Seattle in the playoffs and I don't want to do it again."

Simple opinion - simple basis.

Here's a prediction:

Someone will further mince words and explain to me why my opinion either is not one or has no basis. Enjoy.

[Deadskins]

But, "after the bye" is still more than three weeks away, so I don't see how you can say you have a basis for that opinion, especially the "will not have practiced enough" part.

[DarthMonk]

But, "after the bye" is still more than three weeks away, so I don't see how you can say you have a basis for that opinion, especially the "will not have practiced enough" part.

Cha-ching.

Anyway, he can't start during the bye. So it's either in 5 days, 11 days, or not until after the bye.

BTW - my first hit from webster on google:

opin·ion noun \ə-ˈpin-yən\
: a belief, judgment, or way of thinking about something : what someone thinks about a particular thing

I've told you what I think and my basis for thinking it.

[Deadskins]

But, "after the bye" is still more than three weeks away, so I don't see how you can say you have a basis for that opinion, especially the "will not have practiced enough" part.

Cha-ching.

Anyway, he can't start during the bye. So it's either in 5 days, 11 days, or not until after the bye.

BTW - my first hit from webster on google:

opin·ion noun \ə-ˈpin-yən\
: a belief, judgment, or way of thinking about something : what someone thinks about a particular thing

I've told you what I think and my basis for thinking it.

No, but he certainly can practice.

And I told you why the basis of "history" does not apply to either part of your opinion (though I can see how "visual evidence" might apply to the healed part).

[RG3 Fan]

I really hoped Kirk Cousins would come through as a great backup. He is a great guy and I hoped he would come through. However, I was worried about his interception problem. In his last two years at Michigan State he threw 45 touchdowns, but also 20 interceptions. Interceptions continue to be a problem for him. Maybe with time he will learn to correct this problem, but in the NFL that is a problem that will prevent him from being a starter for any team. I hope Colt McCoy can contribute until RG3 recovers.

[DarthMonk]

No, but he certainly can practice.

And I told you why the basis of "history" does not apply to either part of your opinion (though I can see how "visual evidence" might apply to the healed part).

IYO

RECENT NEWS

Coach Jay Gruden would "guarantee...most likely" that Robert Griffin III (ankle) returns for the Week 11 game against the Bucs.

There's still a chance Griffin returns for Week 9 at Minnesota, but holding him out through the Week 10 bye is firmly on Gruden's radar. "You've got a good bye week, you've got a couple weeks to make sure it's ready. ... You know, it's a very difficult position to play, and just because he's healthy, he hasn't taken a meaningful rep in about six weeks," Gruden said.

All we know right now is that Colt McCoy will almost certainly start in Dallas on Monday night, making the Cowboys an excellent D/ST streamer. Oct 23 - 11:28 AM

Source: Washington Post

[riggofan]

I really hoped Kirk Cousins would come through as a great backup. He is a great guy and I hoped he would come through. However, I was worried about his interception problem. In his last two years at Michigan State he threw 45 touchdowns, but also 20 interceptions. Interceptions continue to be a problem for him. Maybe with time he will learn to correct this problem, but in the NFL that is a problem that will prevent him from being a starter for any team. I hope Colt McCoy can contribute until RG3 recovers.

Hmmm. That's interesting to know. I was looking at Colt's stats from his time with the Browns the other day. Kinda dicey...

[StorminMormon86]

In defense of McCoy, I've heard that the Browns offense was historically bad with dropped balls during his tenure as the starter. And that the talent on offense was never there, and that he didn't get a fair shake in Cleveland. We shall see tonight.