I Was Wrong About Cousins

[OldSchool]

He proved his critics right and me wrong this year and last year. I've posted about what he does well in the past but for whatever reason or reasons Kirk Cousins generates too many interceptions to play well in the NFL. Given his inability to curb the problem I don't think he can be more than a backup in the league. He has no one but himself to blame the Skins gave him every chance.

I don't think Griffin will become an effective quarterback without running but the Skins should use their draft picks on other needs and give Griffin at least another year. Perhaps even if he doesn't develop into a quality starter he can be an adequate starter for a couple more years while they address many other needs on the roster.

[emoses14]

He proved his critics right and me wrong this year and last year. I've posted about what he does well in the past but for whatever reason or reasons Kirk Cousins generates too many interceptions to play well in the NFL. Given his inability to curb the problem I don't think he can be more than a backup in the league. He has no one but himself to blame the Skins gave him every chance.

Left the second paragraph out because this was the cool part of your post. That takes juevos, and I'm not letting it go without acknowledgment.

We have plenty of time to argue about the second paragraph later.

[oj]

I'm with you, Cousins impressed me and I liked how he threw the ball, but he threw it to the wrong team with predictability. Maybe he'll gain wisdom with another team, I don't see him staying here much longer. That last interception hurt him badly, I don't see him coming back from that.
We Won, WE WonWEWON! WooHoo!
I have to give KuDos to Gruden for having the doodads to pull Cousins, that raises him in my esteem considerably.

[EA7649]

A wise man can admit he is wrong. YES you were!

Regarding your second paragraph, I agree with you to an extent. I don't know how effective Robert will be without the the threat of him running, but we shall see if he gets close to back where he was in 2012.

[SkinsJock]

I don't think Gruden or Griffin want Griffin to play like he did in 2012

Griffin is being helped to be a more complete QB than he has been in the past - we started to see glimpses of that earlier this season

it will take time but he's going to be a really good QB

[EA7649]

I don't think Gruden or Griffin want Griffin to play like he did in 2012

Griffin is being helped to be a more complete QB than he has been in the past - we started to see glimpses of that earlier this season

it will take time but he's going to be a really good QB

I understand. But, being able to offer that threat is important. It might take sometime for him to develop in the pocket. But if he can move out of the pocket and throw the ball he will be golden.

[hanburgerheel]

Same here, but I never really thought Cousins was the answer or long-term QB the team needs. It looked like he might be the better fit for Gruden's style of offense, but he's just way too mistake-prone. Fortunately, it didn't take too long to realize it and he was a lower-round pick to boot.

I still maintain that Robert Griffin III is also a bust. Griffin peaked in 2012. And, while it would be awesome if he proved me wrong... he won't.

[fredp45]

It is wayyyy too early to label RGIII a bust. He was ROY in 12, injured and shouldn't have started 13...team stunk...NOT just RGIII. This year he was hurt in 2nd game...

Remember Phil Simms? Hurt for his first 3-4 years, then really good QB for Giants...Don't remember, might have been SB QB, kicked our butts a number of times!

If you were GM for Dodgers in 60's Sandy Koufax would have been dumped after 4-5 years...check out his stats his last 6 years.

I truly believe our problems are mainly with our big guys. The OLine is way below average. Not sure there's anyone starting this year, other than Trent, that is a really good lineman. DL doesn't put much pressure on Qb. Hatcher is good, the others just okay. Neither of our starting safeties has speed. Starting CBs are really nickle and dime CBs. We can't get a pass rush with 4 guys. Those are the problems we need to fix, and really worry about -- not RGIII.

[fredp45]

I'm sorry, forgot one more thing...we need to find some (maybe 3?) special team guys that can play kick coverage and returns. (Man, I sure was pissed when Murphy jumped offsides and gave them a first down on that punt).

[EA7649]

^ Both post posts. Yes its ridiculous for people to say he is a bust. The teams has and had problems, when he is put in a better situation he can prove that he is a productive qb. Maybe in a few weeks he can show productive play! Because, he has the tools. By the way Vince Young was ROY and he didn't pan out too well.

But I'm looking at Youngs 06 stats and I can't figure HOW he won that!? 12 td, 13 int, comp 51.5, rate 66.7, qbr 56.34, rush yard 552, rush td 7
Roberts rookie year 2012 stats 20 td, 5 int, comp 65.6, rate 102.4 qbr 71.41, rush yard 815, rust td 7

So you can't really compare them two lol

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... aporoy.htm

[EA7649]

I'm sorry, forgot one more thing...we need to find some (maybe 3?) special team guys that can play kick coverage and returns. (Man, I sure was pissed when Murphy jumped offsides and gave them a first down on that punt).

I wasn't able to watch the game was that on the turnover?

[hanburgerheel]

I agree that the team has other giant holes that need filling. But, I am certain that RG3 is a bust. I wish he had more potential because I like him as a person and everything, I really do. It would have been awesome. You can rage against me all you like.

Cousins is not a starter in the NFL, but he was much cheaper and it didn't take long to figure that out and accept it. Griffin is going to be one of those QB's that his fans will resist and resist and it will take an even bigger toll on the overall success on the team because excuses will last longer due to the investment and promise of what he should have been. His body is not going to last. But, by all means, keep clinging to the dream. Just remember, you have to be asleep to enjoy a dream.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Bravo Oldschool!
Ive known that our difference of opinion on the qbs was really the only thing preventing us from actually agreeing on many other aspects/ players.

I REALLY HOPE this thread doesn't turn into an " is rgiii a bust" thread tread- the TEAM is a bust at this point and he is amoung the few promising/talented players on the roster.

Cousins leads the league in ints- playing nearly 2 full games less then the rest! Thats dismall and disappointing on all levels. While I never thought he had the skills to take the job from Robert- I also never wanted his self destruction like this. I would have MUCH preferred he lead us to a winning record, light a fire under bob, and have them battle it out for the starting job. Instead he dropped the keys to the car and now.. Colt is driving?

Only response to the bust posts- you can't break records one year, play through an injury on a terrible team putting up average numbers the next, and be worthy of that title. When the line isnt a revoloving door (and a respectable D would be nice) then and only then will we be able to guage how effective he is under center. He took us to the playoffs despite the glaring holes the team had. His career is far from over- and although some tools are in place we are far from the team that Luck has in Indy.

Again KUDOS to OS for having as much balls as Gruden to do the right thing. If we can keep the griffin hate down I might even take you off the ignore list!! (despite constantly reading and interacting with your posts anyhow!)

[Deadskins]

Griffin is going to be one of those QB's that his fans will resist and resist and it will take an even bigger toll on the overall success on the team because excuses will last longer due to the investment and promise of what he should have been. His body is not going to last.

These are contrasting points. Is it his body or his play that you think makes him a bust? If he is injured and not playing, then fans will have no reason to resist. You're making it out like he is Jason Campbell when he is on the field, but nothing could be further from the truth.

[fredp45]

EA7649 --

No, we had stopped the Titans on this one series. It was 4th and less than 5. They punted the ball but before they did Murphy jumped off-sides, giving them the ball back.

One huge problem for the SKins this year is field position (and bone headed mistakes). We had stopped them on their side of the field, we were going to get the ball back between the 20 and 30. For us, pretty good field position. As it worked out, we intercepted a pass a few plays later...then Kirk threw his Int.

WHEN do the skins stop stupid plays? Is it our players, is it our coaches, don't tell me it's Dan Snyder either...

[SkinsJock]

I don't think Gruden or Griffin want Griffin to play like he did in 2012

Griffin is being helped to be a more complete QB than he has been in the past - we started to see glimpses of that earlier this season

it will take time but he's going to be a really good QB

I understand. But, being able to offer that threat is important. It might take sometime for him to develop in the pocket. But if he can move out of the pocket and throw the ball he will be golden.

that's what I'm talking about - Griffin with better pocket presence will still be able to use his speed

we thought that Cousins would be able to manage things while Griffin healed

AND

give Griffin some time to develop better pocket skills and develop as a more complete QB

Griffin will run and Gruden will design plays that take advantage of that - it's just that he needs time to develop into this style of play

[SkinsJock]

.. WHEN do the skins stop making stupid plays? Is it our players, is it our coaches, don't tell me it's Dan Snyder

it's not Snyder - I agree with welch - the Redskins basic problem is a lack of depth along both lines - a big reason is our FO has not done a good job adding these players AND the cap BS hurt their ability to do this as well

we have our QB and we have some other good players - we need players who do not make these type of stupid errors

we don't need super stars, we just need smart players

[riggofan]

I still maintain that Robert Griffin III is also a bust. Griffin peaked in 2012. And, while it would be awesome if he proved me wrong... he won't.

I don't know why people insist on writing this crap. Why not just end with "It would be awesome if he proved me wrong..."? If this is your opinion, then fine, I just find it completely demoralizing as a fan.

I was watching the 49ers game last night. There's no reason RGIII can't be as good as Colin Kaepernick and no reason why Gruden shouldn't be able to devise a system that plays to his strengths. I'm not saying either of these things WILL happen, but declaring a guy a bust after basically two seasons (including one playoff season) seems about as ill advised as declaring Kirk Cousins the future of our franchise because he played well in the preseason.

I kinda hope RGIII plays on Monday v. the Cowboys and destroys them and shuts all the freaking haters and chicken littles up for at least a week.

[EA7649]

I don't think Gruden or Griffin want Griffin to play like he did in 2012

Griffin is being helped to be a more complete QB than he has been in the past - we started to see glimpses of that earlier this season

it will take time but he's going to be a really good QB

I understand. But, being able to offer that threat is important. It might take sometime for him to develop in the pocket. But if he can move out of the pocket and throw the ball he will be golden.

that's what I'm talking about - Griffin with better pocket presence will still be able to use his speed

we thought that Cousins would be able to manage things while Griffin healed

AND

give Griffin some time to develop better pocket skills and develop as a more complete QB

Griffin will run and Gruden will design plays that take advantage of that - it's just that he needs time to develop into this style of play

Yes I meant him going back close to the 2012 season. Not saying run 80% of the time with the read-option (Sarcasm). But him being able to make smart runs when there is nowhere to throw the ball, some designed runs to keep the defense alert, have above-average accuracy throwing as he runs outside the pocket and an improved accuracy in the pocket, the 20td-5int guy we once saw. His running ability has to always be a threat. But I don't want to assume or predict, lets just see how he does.

And I agree with cowboykillerz this better not become another rg3 criticism post, bc "their guy" sucks. Make the team better and MAYBE declare Robert a bust in a few years, if its appropriate!

[EA7649]

I kinda hope RGIII plays on Monday v. the Cowboys and destroys them and shuts all the freaking haters and chicken littles up for at least a week.

If he is ready to play I think no question he will get on the field. He likes to play big games and that would be awesome if he played and performed well. If Robert doesn't play, maybe McCoy can make it close, but running the ball better would be beneficial.

Regarding your other part of the quote I didn't copy, they are just pessimistic about Robert and hate his style of play. Will he be "injury prone" throughout his career who knows. But I'd be willing to be patient and see his last injury could have happened to anyone.

But Robert 100% does need to slide and go out of bounds more. His brief stint this season showed he worked on improving his slide.

[riggofan]

But Robert 100% does need to slide and go out of bounds more. His brief stint this season showed he worked on improving his slide.

There's no doubt!

And I can't blame fans for being pessimistic, I guess. Its still just very frustrating/annoying. These are the same fans who will applaud Snyder when he trades RGIII and his first round pick for Jay Cutler next March and write diatribes about Snyder's lack of patience and poor management when that doesn't work out.

[SkinsJock]

no matter who our QB is this week or next, this season or next - we must get better play from the O line

the biggest issues we seem to have are with making 3rd downs on offense and stopping 3rd downs on D

no matter who is playing QB - he needs a decent run game and he needs an O line

[riggofan]

no matter who our QB is this week or next, this season or next - we must get better play from the O line

the biggest issues we seem to have are with making 3rd downs on offense and stopping 3rd downs on D

no matter who is playing QB - he needs a decent run game and he needs an O line

Its just weird. I really expected the line to be good in the run and struggle with pass protection. Seems like they've been completely the opposite.

Anyway, I'm sure the line can be better. But they're not any worse than the Patriots' offensive line. San Francisco and Seattle's lines have both allowed more sacks. We have had a serviceable offensive line so far.

What we also have right now is a pretty talented group of WRs. Garcon, DJax, Roberts and Reed? The third down problem lately has been the QB getting them the ball accurately and consistently.

[SkinsJock]

I don't agree - the 2 biggest issues we have is with the O line and the D line - yes the secondary is an issue but the depth and talent of our linemen, sucks big time

I'll wait and see how they play the rest of the season but they are not good at protecting the QB or helping Morris at all

[StorminMormon86]

Griffin should not start until after the bye.