Redskins Offseason Resignings

[frankcal20]

Grant Paulsen ‏@granthpaulsen

Carriker on re-working deal: "It's unfortunate that the league is penalizing us. I was willing to help. Whatever I can do to help the team."

This is the kind of guy you HAVE to have in your locker room.

[ACW]

GREAT to have my namesake back.

[1niksder]

Moss reworking his contract... will save $2M in cap space

[Skinsfan55]

https://twitter.com/davidelfin/status/3 ... 5396292608

Really shocked by this one, I thought we'd save more by cutting him outright. Still, it's good to have a veteran slot guy... only 3 under cap though? Makes Talib a tough get.

[Chris Luva Luva]

https://twitter.com/davidelfin/status/311491195396292608

Really shocked by this one, I thought we'd save more by cutting him outright. Still, it's good to have a veteran slot guy... only 3 under cap though? Makes Talib a tough get.

Who would we replace him with that would give us the same level of production? Prolly made more sense to restructure.

[Skinsfan55]

It's a couple million for a guy, who at this point in his career seemed replaceable. Then again, maybe they love what he brings to the locker room.

[Chris Luva Luva]

It's a couple million for a guy, who at this point in his career seemed replaceable. Then again, maybe they love what he brings to the locker room.

1:45

It's a couple million for a guy, who at this point in his career seemed replaceable. Then again, maybe they love what he brings to the locker room.

Many felt that he was washed up and expendable leading into the previous season... Then he led the team in TD's...

People feel that Josh Morgan is a bum, but he led the team in receptions... He also is a helluva blocker and sprung Alfred more times than I can count. After watching and re-watching last seasons games, not that I've been actively counting but I only noticed one holding penalty on him.

My point being, I think as fans our ideas of value to the team as a whole is different than the coaches. They seem more than most of us care to take the time to see.

[HTTRRG3ALMO]

https://twitter.com/davidelfin/status/311491195396292608

Really shocked by this one, I thought we'd save more by cutting him outright. Still, it's good to have a veteran slot guy... only 3 under cap though? Makes Talib a tough get.

Who would we replace him with that would give us the same level of production? Prolly made more sense to restructure.

Exactly. I'd be depressed all year if we just cut Moss w/out an upgrade.

[Chris Luva Luva]

https://twitter.com/davidelfin/status/311491195396292608

Really shocked by this one, I thought we'd save more by cutting him outright. Still, it's good to have a veteran slot guy... only 3 under cap though? Makes Talib a tough get.

Who would we replace him with that would give us the same level of production? Prolly made more sense to restructure.

Exactly. I'd be depressed all year if we just cut Moss w/out an upgrade.

I think we have an "upgrade" on the roster. It's just going to take a bit more growth, maturation and experience on his end. That player is Aldrick Robinson. He's shown the flashes, it's all about consistency now. I put upgrade in quotes because while Aldrick is faster and most atheltic due to his youthfulness. He's also not mature from a savvy veteran POV and that comes with experience. Once he catches up in that regard he will be a full upgrade.

[HTTRRG3ALMO]

https://twitter.com/davidelfin/status/311491195396292608

Really shocked by this one, I thought we'd save more by cutting him outright. Still, it's good to have a veteran slot guy... only 3 under cap though? Makes Talib a tough get.

Who would we replace him with that would give us the same level of production? Prolly made more sense to restructure.

Exactly. I'd be depressed all year if we just cut Moss w/out an upgrade.

I think we have an "upgrade" on the roster. It's just going to take a bit more growth, maturation and experience on his end. That player is Aldrick Robinson. He's shown the flashes, it's all about consistency now. I put upgrade in quotes because while Aldrick is faster and most atheltic due to his youthfulness. He's also not mature from a savvy veteran POV and that comes with experience. Once he catches up in that regard he will be a full upgrade.

Out of all our players, he is the most confusing to me.

I agree, he's lightening fast, but am I being too harsh in saying "either he can catch or he can't"? Be thankful I'm not the coach; there'd be weekly roster changes

There's always been a lot of talk about him being our "secret weapon" but then comes the thought, "why aren't we using him more???"

Perhaps I expect things to work perfectly straight out of the box unrealistically.

Would really love to see this kid become a key WR for us. I really hope he works hard and gets to where we need him to be. At that point, you're right; we could throw a well-deserved retirement party for Moss and all his loyal years with us.

[spudstr04]

@AdamSchefter Redskins re-signed DL Kedric Golston to a three-year deal.

[fetus]

5.2 million top end, guessing/hoping it is very incentive based.... 300k-ish signing bonus.....
Not sure why we give a guy 5.2/3years when he played for vet min last year.... I can't say I know of any impact he had that warrants that contract.

If I am wrong please correct me... I kinda hope that the money I read about was misinformative or sonething

[skinsfan#33]

5.2 million top end, guessing/hoping it is very incentive based.... 300k-ish signing bonus.....
Not sure why we give a guy 5.2/3years when he played for vet min last year.... I can't say I know of any impact he had that warrants that contract.

If I am wrong please correct me... I kinda hope that the money I read about was misinformative or sonething

I bet the deal is close to vet min this year + the $300k bonus. That would give Kedric a very cap friendly number this year and keep a guy around that is familiar with the system.

Plus, add we saw in 2011 if Kedric isn't on the FG blocking unit they just can't stop anyone from blocking kicks.

[frankcal20]

Rich Campbell ‏@Rich_Campbell

As @Jason_OTC reported, records show Brandon Meriweather's contract is different today. Base salary is now $1.2M. It was $2.45M.

[Irn-Bru]

Nice restructuring of Meriweather, especially if Shanny is staying true to his determination not to back load money in future years. A little over $1 million seems like the right price to pay for his services, especially with the risk involved.

Pending the full details, this seems like a really nice move on the part of the Skins. 1nik will correct me if I'm wrong, I am sure.

[Cappster]

I gotta say that I am feeling pretty good about what our FO is doing considering the circumstances of the situation. This may be just me, but this FA class seems a little bit lackluster so maybe it's a cursed blessing that we have such little cap space. Does anyone know the guys who are scheduled to be FA's next year around the league? If we can draft fairly well and get RGIII back healthy early in the season, I think we will be pretty competitive if not challenge for the NFC East again.

[SkinsJock]

there's 2 things that we do not need to be worried about ...

RG3 will be even better than he was when he was not dinged up last season

This FO will CONTINUE to find really good players (in the draft and elsewhere) that fit into what this franchise needs

[1niksder]

5.2 million top end, guessing/hoping it is very incentive based.... 300k-ish signing bonus.....
Not sure why we give a guy 5.2/3years when he played for vet min last year.... I can't say I know of any impact he had that warrants that contract.

If I am wrong please correct me... I kinda hope that the money I read about was misinformative or sonething

I bet the deal is close to vet min this year + the $300k bonus. That would give Kedric a very cap friendly number this year and keep a guy around that is familiar with the system.

Plus, add we saw in 2011 if Kedric isn't on the FG blocking unit they just can't stop anyone from blocking kicks.

Throw in a few UTBE Incentives and a yearly roster bonus and I'll bet you're right.

Moss, Carriker, and Merriweather all had some of their base salaries converted to the same type of incentives.

Don't want to go off topic but don't want to start a new thread either.

A lot of the money in Paulsen, Young, and Lichtensteiger's contracts are tied to UTBE Incentives.

UTBE Incentives = Unlikely To Be Earned Incentives, These are performance or playing time targets that the player must hit in order to get the incentive. They're unlikely to be earned simply because they're based on the player's past performance, Moss, Carriker, and Merriweather weren't full time starters for different reasons... Here's the kicker

The UTBE Incentives don't count in this year's salary cap.... If the players meet the goals of the incentives the cap hit will be on the 2014 cap

There are also LTBE Incentives which count in the current year but if they're not hit, the cap space is returned to the team the following year... The Skins got back $816,000 in cap space for 2013 from LTBE Incentives that counted against the cap in 2012.

Not only are they converting base salary into incentives and gaining cap space, they're not adding years to these contracts, or pushing money into the future.

It's a weird way to do business, because the player has to perform to get paid, it's not a pay cut if the player performs and it's the first type of deal that comes out of a player's agents mouth. This is basically the players betting on themselves on a team that want to be on. Each one of these guys could have gotten their base pay or close to it (up front) on the open market, but gave their agents marching orders....

This team hasn't had players that would do that in a long time. Can't think of any that would have did it for Vinny and the teams he ran.

Update... Alexander, DHall, and Fred Davis are reported to be signing somewhere else and all these team are interested in them Who have they visited granted the CB market hasn't really opened yeat but LBs and TEs are moving everywhere.

If the Redskins can bring back two, if not all three of guys I'd have to call it a successful Start to free agency.

The front office is doing what it can to retain it's own players and the players want to stay.

WOW and

[SkinsJock]

^^ you continue to impress - well done

It does sound like Alexander is going to the Cards ...

Hall may be back and Fred Davis will be back if Mike & Kyle really, really want him


this franchise is in a good place and just keeps getting better

these guys have done an outstanding job

[Irn-Bru]

Nice post, 1nik.

[frankcal20]

I have to ask this question since we want other players to come in but who are we going to cut to bring in a player who's going to need roughly $4-$6m per year? I don't think we can restructure anyone to create roughly $10m to sign those two players. Also, keep in mind we need money to sign our rookies too.

[HTTRRG3ALMO]

there's 2 things that we do not need to be worried about ...

RG3 will be even better than he was when he was not dinged up last season

This FO will CONTINUE to find really good players (in the draft and elsewhere) that fit into what this franchise needs

^^^^^^
BOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!

[frankcal20]

SJ - That's my thoughts exactly and we won't be an overpriced underachieving franchise anymore. We'll get more for less and continue to field a very competitive, winning team for years as long as these guys are in office.

[HTTRRG3ALMO]

I'm going to get a lot of hate responses to this more than likely so here it goes....

1. I'm not too upset about Zo leaving. He was amazing at special teams but couldn't be a starting LB. What's the problem here? A player that narrow in his specialty doesn't seem to be worth a lot of salt. If our special teams sucks so bad that we're doomed to fail without Zo, we have much bigger problems than him.

2. Shanny talking about Davis and hoping they could get him to 80% because a player with that kind of injury isn't expected to be 100%. That's a major yellow flag to me. 80% Davis...we can speculate all we want, but what would that look like? Slower Davis? A Davis who fails to catch 20% more of the time? How does an 80% Davis compare to a 100% Paulsen? Remember, the HOPE is to get him back at 80%...what if he only makes it to 60%?

I love Rak, but how long will he last in 2013? Thing that sucks is that he may have faced his last career injury and could be in total beast mode the rest of his career. So do you take that risk and have another cap hit sitting out another year, or do you see what picks you can get for him?

Not a fun place to be, but some of these injuries are plaguing some players more than others. For those guys, I'd flat out tell them they're risky players and they're going to have to accept the pay rate of a high risk player. If they don't like, goodbye...half of our defense was injured last year...ENOUGH!!

I think the news flash here isn't that the Skins have a cap issue, we have a consistency issue. I sure as heck wouldn't keep a car that was broken down for a year...mechanic can tell me that the car is "fixed" as he wants; experience tells me once crap starts happening with a car it doesn't stop. Experience tells us that majority of the time, this is the case with injured sports players.

Put it this way, I want a consistently good team. You're not going to get that with a team of players coming back from surgery. Not singling any players out, just saying the amount of players returning from surgery is a bit alarming. Not all of them are going to last long.

Lastly, I'm not saying cut all the hurt players. I'm just saying lets keep a healthy perspective when we lose a player that hasn't been consistently durable. Rak's/Davis'/etc backup is going to play better than Rak/Davis/etc on the sideline (gasp).

Keep em if you can, draft their future replacements because its only a matter of time.

To end this with a positive note: if we do that, we will always be a winning team. Why? Very simple, the survival of the team isn't consistent on the healthiness of 1-3 players. Their backups are willing and able to shut teams down all the same.

[fetus]

I'm going to get a lot of hate responses to this more than likely so here it goes....

1. I'm not too upset about Zo leaving. He was amazing at special teams but couldn't be a starting LB. What's the problem here? A player that narrow in his specialty doesn't seem to be worth a lot of salt. If our special teams sucks so bad that we're doomed to fail without Zo, we have much bigger problems than him.

2. Shanny talking about Davis and hoping they could get him to 80% because a player with that kind of injury isn't expected to be 100%. That's a major yellow flag to me. 80% Davis...we can speculate all we want, but what would that look like? Slower Davis? A Davis who fails to catch 20% more of the time? How does an 80% Davis compare to a 100% Paulsen? Remember, the HOPE is to get him back at 80%...what if he only makes it to 60%?

I love Rak, but how long will he last in 2013? Thing that sucks is that he may have faced his last career injury and could be in total beast mode the rest of his career. So do you take that risk and have another cap hit sitting out another year, or do you see what picks you can get for him?

Not a fun place to be, but some of these injuries are plaguing some players more than others. For those guys, I'd flat out tell them they're risky players and they're going to have to accept the pay rate of a high risk player. If they don't like, goodbye...half of our defense was injured last year...ENOUGH!!

I think the news flash here isn't that the Skins have a cap issue, we have a consistency issue. I sure as heck wouldn't keep a car that was broken down for a year...mechanic can tell me that the car is "fixed" as he wants; experience tells me once crap starts happening with a car it doesn't stop. Experience tells us that majority of the time, this is the case with injured sports players.

Put it this way, I want a consistently good team. You're not going to get that with a team of players coming back from surgery. Not singling any players out, just saying the amount of players returning from surgery is a bit alarming. Not all of them are going to last long.

Lastly, I'm not saying cut all the hurt players. I'm just saying lets keep a healthy perspective when we lose a player that hasn't been consistently durable. Rak's/Davis'/etc backup is going to play better than Rak/Davis/etc on the sideline (gasp).

Keep em if you can, draft their future replacements because its only a matter of time.

To end this with a positive note: if we do that, we will always be a winning team. Why? Very simple, the survival of the team isn't consistent on the healthiness of 1-3 players. Their backups are willing and able to shut teams down all the same.

1. 100% agree, Zo was great for us but that was as a special teamer, he wanted too much for what we would use hm for and, there is no way he is the answer when Fletcher retires.

2. I didn't hear this from Mike but I am going to take this as they are hoping Fred is 80% before they sign him, I highly doubt they would expect him to come back from injury at 80% of what he was.... That just doesn't make sense in my mind.

3. Orakpo is a beast and I fully expect him to come back at 100% and light up QB's just like he had. He has had a lot more time to recover from this injury Than he did last year, and honestly I wouldn't be surprised to see him sit out preseason, now as to trading him, he has no value to anyone but us, think about injury worries you have in the eyes of a NFL franchise, would you trade for a player that is coming off his second injury in 2 years, same injury mind you? Why take the risk of losing 2 young poss playmakers, in draft picks, for a player then may only be around for a year.... If he doesn't get re-injured.
I see none of this re injury happening but if I were a GM, which I am far from, I wouldn't take the chance.
Remember Rak is not old, he and Kerrigan will be for the NFC what Harrison and Woodley were for the AFC.