Shout out to #85

[langleyparkjoe]

*strolling in*

hi.

way to catch the ball Hankerson!

I appreciate it when a WR makes a grab and he's been doing that a lot recently.

as a Hankerson hater, I've been eating my crow but it tastes ok with pepper sauce as long as we're winning.

!

[markshark84]

The definition of "ignorant" is someone that lacks knowledge or training --- being unlearned.

Yeah, for someone who is such a "learned" football expert , you overly critizize a WR who is essentially playing his rookie campaign due to last years injury.

A "learned" football expert would know that it takes MOST WR's 2-3 years to find their way in the NFL.

So that would insinuate a lack of knowledge, thus ignorance on the subject. Especially when you comment in such a condescending tone towards a poster who was celebrating.

I don't see it that way.

Apparently, that's been an issue for you for the past few pages.

I disagree with you, CounterTrey, about 3 people and NFL.com. Who's the common denominator in this situation?

I guess you conveniently stop reading when you don't want to fight a losing battle...................

Again you are making your "opinions" and ATTEMPTING to use them as if they are fact. Your "knowledge" is merely opinion. So again LEARN the definition. And quit resorting name calling.

Wasn't it initially 3-4 years anyway...... Now it's 2-3. Make a deicision and stick with it........

As far as disagreeing ---- again very similar to the entire JC thing. The collective "peanut gallery" here agreed and there were stats to support it....... But I was still right. We'll see where Hankerson is in 2 years. It is my opinion that he will very well still be a skin, but he won't be a Garcon. And if you are ok with that, that's cool. It is my expectation that our 1-3 rd picks are top performers. If they aren't they failed to meet MY expectations. You can have different ones. That's cool, but don't condescend me for having my own opinions and setting the bar high --- as most successful teams do.

Trust me, I'd love to be wrong. I'd love to see Hankerson get his footing and make clean catches and run precise routes --- but he still has a good deal of work to do. I do believe he has had a good couple games, but those issues are still there. Those have not improved. I personally believe that in order for Hankerson to be consistent, he needs to fix those issues.

And I am not trying to be condescending. I disagreed. Apparently you have no clue how to have a difference of opinion.

[tribeofjudah]

I'll tell you one thing..........

I like this #85 better than that Ocho Cinco guy........LOL

[langleyparkjoe]

I'll tell you one thing..........

I like this #85 better than that Ocho Cinco guy........LOL

but if I had OchoCinco at Hankerson's age.. shoooooot.. Hanker who?

[Chris Luva Luva]

I guess you conveniently stop reading when you don't want to fight a losing battle...................

Why would I keep reading when the first thing out your mouth was wrong? You said that you compared him to the other receivers on the roster and he falls short. However, the stats prove otherwise... I'm sure you still have nothing to say about that.

[langleyparkjoe]

It is my expectation that our 1-3 rd picks are top performers.

You have expectations for our Skins?

Honestly, I came into this season with very low- no expectations. For our draft picks it was the same thing for me because our program hasn't been stable in over a decade.

Fast forward to today and what we've seen.. well yea, maybe from now on I'd expect our early draft picks to work out better since we seem to have stability.

Maybe look at it that way bro?

[markshark84]

I guess you conveniently stop reading when you don't want to fight a losing battle...................

Why would I keep reading when the first thing out your mouth was wrong? You said that you compared him to the other receivers on the roster and he falls short. However, the stats prove otherwise... I'm sure you still have nothing to say about that.

Wrong? No. You didn't understand and immediately thought I was refering to stats -- which I wasn't. Again, the "I stopped reading" statement was merely an attempt to move away from my points. "Performance" (or even progression) isn't about stats per se. It is much larger --- ESPECIALLY for a young WR. I thought you would understand that. Guess not.

The specific items I initially mentioned that he has deficiencies in had NOTHING to do with stats (i.e., footwork, balance, agility, catching). You used stats in an effort to disprove my opinions ---- stats that were ultimately irrelevant since there are no stats on balance and bobbled passes --- you know, the things I actually cited. You made it about stats when it was never about that.

You did a good job of side stepping my true intent and placing words in my mouth. But that still doesn't take away from the fact that all my observations are correct. Hankerson does not have good balance or hands. I should have been more clear, but it was too easy to proved your statistical statements incorrect.

Besides ---- your "stats" or "rules" are ever-changing (i.e., from 3-4 magically to 2-3). You can't make up the rules to this as you go along................

And if you want me to comment on his stats --- they are on par with everyone outside of Garcon (based on all things equal) in catches and yards. I don't dispute that. I think that is fine, but my complaints weren't about stats. They are about balance, footwork, and bobbles. I personally think that his YAC is telling in this respect -- Hanks is not on par with the others -- even Paulsen has a higher YAC average.......

[markshark84]

It is my expectation that our 1-3 rd picks are top performers.

You have expectations for our Skins?

Honestly, I came into this season with very low- no expectations. For our draft picks it was the same thing for me because our program hasn't been stable in over a decade.

Fast forward to today and what we've seen.. well yea, maybe from now on I'd expect our early draft picks to work out better since we seem to have stability.

Maybe look at it that way bro?

Haha. I also had low expectations this year. The team has greatly exceeded those. In fact, this is the first year (since 2007 I believe) that I have been more than 1 game off on my pre-season record prediction.

But I will always set expectations for every player. Maybe it is because I am in a profession where you are constantly graded/analyzed. But, as I have said, everything is relative. Do you see me complaining about Robinson or Briscoe or Paul? No -- because I don't believe they have the ability to be a high level performer. We have more invested in Hankerson, therefore we need to receive greater output.

Honestly, take a look at how Belichick analyzes his players. It is brutal. I am similar. You need to expect maximum effort and execution. I am not satisfied unless I see 100%. I believe Hankerson can give us more and I see very specific things he must improve upon to get there.

However, I agree with you in that ANY pick made by Danny/Vinny should just be disregarded (or at least I hope that is what you are saying). Hankerson was drafted by MS/BA --- therefore I do have expectations.

[Countertrey]

Guys... Consider taking it to smack. This thread is about Hank...

[markshark84]

Guys... Consider taking it to smack. This thread is about Hank...

This thread should have been moved to smack when CLL resorted to name calling.

I never go to smack since I enjoy actually discussing football and don't enjoy these types of exchanges, but as you can see I will not allow someone to inaccurately accuse me of being something I am not.

I tried to keep it about Hank, but CLL instead decided it was more constructive to just start throwing out insults..................

[langleyparkjoe]

Well.. even as much of a "Hank hater" that I am, since he has improved I'll wait it out.

Don't worry Mark, we'll be fine when it's all said and done.

Let's not forget they made a couple good choices this year in the draft bro.

[mastdark81]

Mike Shanahan praised Hankerson after the Raven game, stating Hank played excellent. Good to see he was rewarded the next game and came thru

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/footb ... cleveland/

I like our receiving crew and offense. Gotta realize this is virtually everyones first year in the Eastcoast offense

Hank keep doing ya thing

[SkinsJock]

Well.. even as much of a "Hank hater" that I am, since he has improved I'll wait it out.

Let's not forget they made a couple good choices this year in the draft bro.

You got that right lpj - RG3, Morris and Cousins were HUGE
add to that Pierre Garçon and we have to think that the FO really made up for some earlier mistakes

i look for Hankerson to be able to be a major part of our WR corps next season




btw - I'm looking to see this team finish strong here ....

for many years we have gotten to December kind of hoping that things would get better ...
Right now I think that most would agree - the Redskins are not only favored to win the NfC East next season - we're going to be one of the top teams in the NFL

THAT is an amazingly quick turnaround

[Chris Luva Luva]

Gotta realize this is virtually everyones first year

Don't bring rational thought into this thread.

[FLWSkin]

It's really his first year, so I think he still can get better. And I thought of this too. They always talk about the speed of the game for young players. Think about it, this guy went from several years of Jacory Harris at the U and Rex last year to having RGIII throwing him the ball. That is a BIG difference in how the ball comes at you. I'm hoping that is part of Paul's problem too, he just needs to get used to a faster ball closer to the line of scrimmage.

[markshark84]

Gotta realize this is virtually everyones first year

Don't bring rational thought into this thread.

You threw that out the window a while ago.........

I see that you still are relying on direct -- and now indirect -- insults as your primary counter-argument....

[markshark84]

It's really his first year, so I think he still can get better. And I thought of this too. They always talk about the speed of the game for young players. Think about it, this guy went from several years of Jacory Harris at the U and Rex last year to having RGIII throwing him the ball. That is a BIG difference in how the ball comes at you. I'm hoping that is part of Paul's problem too, he just needs to get used to a faster ball closer to the line of scrimmage.

FLW -- I also agree that Hank can improve and I hope he does. He just needs to work on a couple things --- they are big things, but things you can improve on with major work. Hopefully last years injury was the causes of his balance and he'll be able to work that out and adjust to it during the offseason.

I think your point about adjusting to the speed is a good one. From personal experience, it took me a FULL year to adjust to the speed of the game from high school to college. I have been told that the adjustment from college to pro is 100X worse.

[FLWSkin]

And like I said, the adjustment from Beck and Rex to RGIII is probably another 100X.

[mastdark81]

It's really his first year, so I think he still can get better. And I thought of this too. They always talk about the speed of the game for young players. Think about it, this guy went from several years of Jacory Harris at the U and Rex last year to having RGIII throwing him the ball. That is a BIG difference in how the ball comes at you. I'm hoping that is part of Paul's problem too, he just needs to get used to a faster ball closer to the line of scrimmage.

FLW -- I also agree that Hank can improve and I hope he does. He just needs to work on a couple things --- they are big things, but things you can improve on with major work. Hopefully last years injury was the causes of his balance and he'll be able to work that out and adjust to it during the offseason.

I think your point about adjusting to the speed is a good one. From personal experience, it took me a FULL year to adjust to the speed of the game from high school to college. I have been told that the adjustment from college to pro is 100X worse.

Those hip injuries are a bummer. He probably wont admit it nor Redskins but depending on the severity of his injury lets hope it does not shorten his career b/c of the lack of blood flow to the joints overtime. I dont know balance issues he has if any but if he does he probably will have that for the rest of his career, however looking clunky like some have suggested and getting up after a tackle kinda funky are caused by that hip injury.

Gotta realize he didnt have an offseason to train due 2 the surgery and rehab. Shpuld get better next year and if he does not thats fine too he was only a 3rd rd pick and is earning his keep in my eyes with the big plays he has been making lately.

[crazyhorse1]

It is my expectation that our 1-3 rd picks are top performers.

You have expectations for our Skins?

Honestly, I came into this season with very low- no expectations. For our draft picks it was the same thing for me because our program hasn't been stable in over a decade.

Fast forward to today and what we've seen.. well yea, maybe from now on I'd expect our early draft picks to work out better since we seem to have stability.

Maybe look at it that way bro?

Haha. I also had low expectations this year. The team has greatly exceeded those. In fact, this is the first year (since 2007 I believe) that I have been more than 1 game off on my pre-season record prediction.

But I will always set expectations for every player. Maybe it is because I am in a profession where you are constantly graded/analyzed. But, as I have said, everything is relative. Do you see me complaining about Robinson or Briscoe or Paul? No -- because I don't believe they have the ability to be a high level performer. We have more invested in Hankerson, therefore we need to receive greater output.

Honestly, take a look at how Belichick analyzes his players. It is brutal. I am similar. You need to expect maximum effort and execution. I am not satisfied unless I see 100%. I believe Hankerson can give us more and I see very specific things he must improve upon to get there.

However, I agree with you in that ANY pick made by Danny/Vinny should just be disregarded (or at least I hope that is what you are saying). Hankerson was drafted by MS/BA --- therefore I do have expectations.

Speaking of Robinson, I'm surprised he doesn't see more action. He's been thrown to 19 times, caught 11, and scored 3 times. His percentage of catches per throw isn't bad, when you consider most of the passes thrown his way are low percentage passes deep . I expect nothing of Paul and Briscoe and will be shocked if they're on the team next year.

[emoses14]

It is my expectation that our 1-3 rd picks are top performers.

You have expectations for our Skins?

Honestly, I came into this season with very low- no expectations. For our draft picks it was the same thing for me because our program hasn't been stable in over a decade.

Fast forward to today and what we've seen.. well yea, maybe from now on I'd expect our early draft picks to work out better since we seem to have stability.

Maybe look at it that way bro?

Haha. I also had low expectations this year. The team has greatly exceeded those. In fact, this is the first year (since 2007 I believe) that I have been more than 1 game off on my pre-season record prediction.

But I will always set expectations for every player. Maybe it is because I am in a profession where you are constantly graded/analyzed. But, as I have said, everything is relative. Do you see me complaining about Robinson or Briscoe or Paul? No -- because I don't believe they have the ability to be a high level performer. We have more invested in Hankerson, therefore we need to receive greater output.

Honestly, take a look at how Belichick analyzes his players. It is brutal. I am similar. You need to expect maximum effort and execution. I am not satisfied unless I see 100%. I believe Hankerson can give us more and I see very specific things he must improve upon to get there.

However, I agree with you in that ANY pick made by Danny/Vinny should just be disregarded (or at least I hope that is what you are saying). Hankerson was drafted by MS/BA --- therefore I do have expectations.

Speaking of Robinson, I'm surprised he doesn't see more action. He's been thrown to 19 times, caught 11, and scored 3 times. His percentage of catches per throw isn't bad, when you consider most of the passes thrown his way are low percentage passes deep . I expect nothing of Paul and Briscoe and will be shocked if they're on the team next year.

I think ALdrick is probably still being brought along on route running precision, etc. Though that's fixable, what isn't teachable is what we've seen so far, speed to burn and big play catching ability. I expect much more from him next year than the remainder of this (unless dallas falls asleep on him again )