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1niksder wrote:That would be akin to trading down and getting no compensation for dropping in the draft order... in other words... That' is just stupid and would more than likely cost any current GM to be looking for work by the end of April.


Remember that I have essentially no use for Draft Picks or Rookies at all, given an option. I have NEVER been a proponent of the Draft as the way to build a team. I'm certain that's been made very clear over time. Franchise QB is the ONLY position I have an interest in through the draft and that's only because they're not available in the FA market.
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Jeremy81 wrote:Hes got all the skill guys worth picking gone by the sixth pick. Who would you take? With claiborne off the board...griffin gone...blackmon already drafted...and say you have nobody willing to trade down, what the hell is a better pick than that one?


You're suggesting we don't have major and significant skill position needs on the DEFENSE too? It's not my preference but I'd be looking at CB's and Safeties or even possibly MLB in that case.


Ok, you throw out positions we should draft, and thats all good and great...but who? How about names mr. GM....claiborne is gone, so give me a cb worth the 6th pick in the draft. A safety? Who? Is there another sean taylor walking through those doors worthy of a sixth pick? Give me a name of a middle linebacker thats top ten talent

Youre the GM when you do a mock draft...so of those first five are gone, who are you picking? Instead of completely bashing someone elses opinion, tell me who'd you pick? Names, not positions.


Luke Kuechly, MLB from BC, is a top 10 talent. Vontaze Burfict is probably outside of the top 10 right now, but could move up on draft boards depending on the combine and individual workouts.

Corner it's too soon to say, as much will depend on the combine. However, this draft is deep with top tier talent at the CB position...Claiborne, Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, Dennard, Hayward, Minnifield.


well, you're pretty matter of fact, but i don't agree. I think Kuechly is a top 20 talent, but not top ten. If there's a way to trade down, then there are a lot of options. However, in this scenerio, there are no trades. Reily Reiff is the best pick at number 6. Burfict is a late first rounder at best IMO and claiborne is gone already. no trade downs...you prefer jonoris jenkins at number six? you're picking chase minnifield with that pick? ok...If this draft is so deep with CB talent, why would you use a number 6 pick on one of those corners when chances are you can get one of those in the second?
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Jeremy81 wrote:
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Jeremy81 wrote:
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Jeremy81 wrote:Hes got all the skill guys worth picking gone by the sixth pick. Who would you take? With claiborne off the board...griffin gone...blackmon already drafted...and say you have nobody willing to trade down, what the hell is a better pick than that one?


You're suggesting we don't have major and significant skill position needs on the DEFENSE too? It's not my preference but I'd be looking at CB's and Safeties or even possibly MLB in that case.


Ok, you throw out positions we should draft, and thats all good and great...but who? How about names mr. GM....claiborne is gone, so give me a cb worth the 6th pick in the draft. A safety? Who? Is there another sean taylor walking through those doors worthy of a sixth pick? Give me a name of a middle linebacker thats top ten talent

Youre the GM when you do a mock draft...so of those first five are gone, who are you picking? Instead of completely bashing someone elses opinion, tell me who'd you pick? Names, not positions.


Luke Kuechly, MLB from BC, is a top 10 talent. Vontaze Burfict is probably outside of the top 10 right now, but could move up on draft boards depending on the combine and individual workouts.

Corner it's too soon to say, as much will depend on the combine. However, this draft is deep with top tier talent at the CB position...Claiborne, Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, Dennard, Hayward, Minnifield.


well, you're pretty matter of fact, but i don't agree. I think Kuechly is a top 20 talent, but not top ten. If there's a way to trade down, then there are a lot of options. However, in this scenerio, there are no trades. Reily Reiff is the best pick at number 6. Burfict is a late first rounder at best IMO and claiborne is gone already. no trade downs...you prefer jonoris jenkins at number six? you're picking chase minnifield with that pick? ok...If this draft is so deep with CB talent, why would you use a number 6 pick on one of those corners when chances are you can get one of those in the second?


I disagree with your assessment of Kuechly. The guy is a monster. I wouldn't be upset with him at #6, and I would certainly prefer him to a guy like Reif.

The point with the corners is that there is a lot of really talented guys in this draft, and depending on workouts, the combine, etc., one of the other corners could easily jump into the top 10. For example, McShay has Jenkins going 14 and Kirkpatrick going 17 right now. Either one has a killer combine and could easily shoot up into the top 10. With corners, where teams take measurables so seriously, some of these guys could really improve (or hurt) their draft stock.
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Let me first say I do like Luke Keuchly. I think he's a good player. not top ten however. If there's a trade down scenerio, i wouldn't be disapointed with him in burgundy and gold...

well you seem to respect Mcshay's expertise. he's got Kuechly going 12 to kansis city and Reiff going 3rd overall to Minnesota. When you look at team need and best player available, i think Reiff is the right choice here. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree
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skinsfan#33 wrote:We have too many needs on the OL not t take an elite player there of a QB isn't available and we can't select a 2nd round QB at #6 just because we need one.


Yep. Let's make sure old Sexy Rexy can stand back there in a nice, clean pocket and throw that wounded duck right between the letters of the Safety or Linebacker because none of his WR's can get open. Sounds like a great plan. Unless your intent is to allow for Rex, or whomever, to be in good shape for the fans to lynch after the game


What kind of dumb a$$ comment was that?

If you don't jane an OL or a QB then you could have HoF caliber players at WR and RB and it wouldn't amount to a hill of beans.

If you improve the ol, your qb play improves, your running game improves and your WRs improve. And if you don't understand why I don't have the time to teach you!


Look at the OL of both the Giants and New England. Neither one is great. Are they good? Yes, but what separates the Giants from everybody else is an exceptional QB with great WRs. And New England has an equally stellar QB with WRs that did not have their best game and/or were hurt.


I disagree. The Giants OL is better than their WR corps and of you don't agree with that fine, but saying NE WR are steller is just ridiculous. Welker is very good but he isn't a PB WR on any other team. The rest of their WRs are just guys. Gronkowski is a beast. But their OL is top shelf. That TD pass to Woodcock in the SB, Brady could have read War and Peace!
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skinsfan#33 wrote:We have too many needs on the OL not t take an elite player there of a QB isn't available and we can't select a 2nd round QB at #6 just because we need one.


Yep. Let's make sure old Sexy Rexy can stand back there in a nice, clean pocket and throw that wounded duck right between the letters of the Safety or Linebacker because none of his WR's can get open. Sounds like a great plan. Unless your intent is to allow for Rex, or whomever, to be in good shape for the fans to lynch after the game


What kind of dumb a$$ comment was that?

If you don't jane an OL or a QB then you could have HoF caliber players at WR and RB and it wouldn't amount to a hill of beans.

If you improve the ol, your qb play improves, your running game improves and your WRs improve. And if you don't understand why I don't have the time to teach you!


Look at the OL of both the Giants and New England. Neither one is great. Are they good? Yes, but what separates the Giants from everybody else is an exceptional QB with great WRs. And New England has an equally stellar QB with WRs that did not have their best game and/or were hurt.


I disagree. The Giants OL is better than their WR corps and of you don't agree with that fine, but saying NE WR are steller is just ridiculous. Welker is very good but he isn't a PB WR on any other team. The rest of their WRs are just guys. Gronkowski is a beast. But their OL is top shelf. That TD pass to Woodcock in the SB, Brady could have read War and Peace!
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skinsfan#33 wrote:What kind of dumb a$$ comment was that?

If you don't jane an OL or a QB then you could have HoF caliber players at WR and RB and it wouldn't amount to a hill of beans.

If you improve the ol, your qb play improves, your running game improves and your WRs improve. And if you don't understand why I don't have the time to teach you!


Okay, so what you're suggesting is that you, myself and four other THN posters should be able to win a Super Bowl as the skill position players if we were playing behind The Hogs? You have to realize the sheer lunacy of that idea, right?

I don't care if you give Rex Grossman 15 seconds back there, he is NOT going to make good decisions, and with a bunch of WR's and RB's who I have little to no confidence in, I'm pretty sure he will make the wrong decisions.

OL is important, but it's a very hollow thing if there are no skill players to take advantage of it.


Yet another moronic post! Of course I'm not suggesting that. And I never said anything about bringing Rex back. But it is a proven fact that improved play at the OL improves all facets of the offense. Just like improved play at QB improves all aspects of the offense. The same can't be said for the RB and WR positions.
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Just for debate good rb play does help WR and vice versa. So weird how need ALL the pieces huh? Its a matter of rating the value of each piece... Guess what's number one?
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skinsfan#33 wrote:Yet another moronic post! Of course I'm not suggesting that. And I never said anything about bringing Rex back. But it is a proven fact that improved play at the OL improves all facets of the offense. Just like improved play at QB improves all aspects of the offense. The same can't be said for the RB and WR positions.


Okay. Let's suggest that drafting an O Lineman would improve our offensive skill player's talent tenfold.....

0 x 10 = ?
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skinsfan#33 wrote:Yet another moronic post! Of course I'm not suggesting that. And I never said anything about bringing Rex back. But it is a proven fact that improved play at the OL improves all facets of the offense. Just like improved play at QB improves all aspects of the offense. The same can't be said for the RB and WR positions.


Okay. Let's suggest that drafting an O Lineman would improve our offensive skill player's talent tenfold.....

0 x 10 = ?


Yet another retarded post. First, I never said ten fold and second saying we have zero talent at the skill positions is just insane (dick farts).

We have two very capable young rbs, two great TEs, and a group of average, declining put unproven WRs.

If we had some one to actually get them the ball they would be more than capable. No I'm not saying that a better QB would give our WRs more talent. What I'm saying is it would improve their play.

Hopefully you're not too stupid to get that concept!
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skinsfan#33 wrote:Yet another retarded post. First, I never said ten fold and second saying we have zero talent at the skill positions is just insane (dick farts).!


On a scale of 1 - 10 the talent level is much closer to 0 than it is to 10.

skinsfan#33 wrote:We have two very capable young rbs, two great TEs, and a group of average, declining put unproven WRs!


We have two rookie RB's who looked alright on a team that wasn't going anywhere. We have 2 TE's who can't block worth a damn (the first job of a TE so far as I'm concerned), and a group of well below average (height and talent) WR's.

skinsfan#33 wrote:If we had some one to actually get them the ball they would be more than capable. No I'm not saying that a better QB would give our WRs more talent. What I'm saying is it would improve their play!


No they wouldn't. They might be slightly above average. As Gisele said the other night.... "The QB can't throw the ball AND catch it." We need to improve the entire talent base on offense. QB would be a good start and a major improvement, but it can't be the only change.

skinsfan#33 wrote:Hopefully you're not too stupid to get that concept!


Understanding something and accepting it are two differnt things. I understand the reason and workings of the Salary Cap. I will never accept them as good, right, or decent.
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skinsfan#33 wrote:
Redskins_Fanatic wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:Yet another moronic post! Of course I'm not suggesting that. And I never said anything about bringing Rex back. But it is a proven fact that improved play at the OL improves all facets of the offense. Just like improved play at QB improves all aspects of the offense. The same can't be said for the RB and WR positions.


Okay. Let's suggest that drafting an O Lineman would improve our offensive skill player's talent tenfold.....

0 x 10 = ?


Yet another retarded post. First, I never said ten fold and second saying we have zero talent at the skill positions is just insane (dick farts) .

We have two very capable young rbs, two great TEs, and a group of average, declining put unproven WRs.

If we had some one to actually get them the ball they would be more than capable. No I'm not saying that a better QB would give our WRs more talent. What I'm saying is it would improve their play.

Hopefully you're not too stupid to get that concept!
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