Possible Redskin QB's in 2012 (updated at top)

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:56 pm

Fortunately I don't think we'll get either. I see Flynn going to Miami and Peyton either retiring or going out West (possibly Arizona).

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:46 pm

Watch these geniuses go into 2013 with Rex and Beck again...

For some Redskins fans, even the thought of seeing another appearance of Rex Grossman, starting quarterback is about as appealing as watching a Cowboys-Ravens Super Bowl with Deion Sanders and Adam Archuleta while listening to Larry Michael read ads for Johnny Rockets into a broken PA system.

And yet, I’m just now listening to Kyle Shanahan’s appearance on ESPN 980’s Sports Fix last week, and he takes a more nuanced view of Grossman. The introductory question from Kevin Sheehan concerned whether the younger Shanahan is as confident in Grossman now as he was a year ago.

“Yeah, definitely,” the offensive coordinator said. “I feel pretty much the same way about Rex now as I did a year ago. I know Rex needs to get better. Everybody wants a franchise quarterback, but unfortunately there’s only about 10 of ‘em on the planet. So people make a lot of mistakes, trying to trade their draft away or pay a lot of money to people who really aren’t that.

“You’ve got to be able to evaluate, you’ve got to make sure you get the best guy possible. Everybody wants one of those 10 guys, but you don’t just go get one of those 10 guys when they’re not available.

“Rex, to me, he did do some good things here this year. He helped us move the ball. We lost seven starters out of 11 on offense, and despite that he was able to still move us up and down the field. Now, he had way too many turnovers. He kept both teams in the game. He gave us a chance to make plays, but he also gives them too many plays, too. And that’s a very tough combination to win with.

“When you look at our team, I think Rex CAN be better. I think that starts with getting him to be smarter with the ball. But the one thing I give Rex credit, is he gave us a chance to win games. We do need to get better at that position, he needs to play better, but until you can find a better guy, you’ve also got to get better guys around him, where you don’t have to feel like Rex needs to make all the plays to get us to win.”

Then Shanahan cited the oft-used statistic that he also mentioned to Mike Jones last week: that no Redskins receiver caught a Grossman pass in the field of play and ran it into the end zone until Week 16.

“We’ve got to get some guys that can make some plays on their own, and turn a little shallow up into a big play and score some points,” Shanahan said. “When we took Rex out those three games, we stopped moving the ball, we stopped making plays. So I know Rex has got to do a lot better, he cannot turn the ball over like that if he wants a chance to win, but to give Rex some credit, he was also the best playmaker that we had on the field.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/kyle-shanahan-rex-grossman-was-redskins-best-playmaker-in-2011/2012/02/01/gIQApealhQ_blog.html#pagebreak

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:12 pm

Good luck with thinking that Canes ROTFALMAO

We'll see how good a prognosticator you are come August :lol:

despite what your opinions are of this FO, they are NOT starting the season with Grossman or Beck as the QB, no way

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:44 pm

SkinsJock wrote:ROTFALMAO Good luck with thinking that Canes

We'll see how good a prognosticator you are come August

despite what your opinions are of this FO, they are NOT starting the season with Grossman or Beck as the QB, no way

I'm not saying they will, just wouldn't surprise me if they did it. They already did it once.

RayNAustin · Post by **RayNAustin** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:28 pm

I think Kyle's take on it is pretty accurate and realistic.

Rex shows flashes of brilliance, and when he get's into a rhythm, he can look like a franchise QB. But he insists on throwing the one or two balls that are just horrible decisions that result in picks, and negates the positives he provides. Couple that with the fumbles, and he's that proverbial curse and the cure. He's quite maddening in that regard ... if only he could eliminate those turnovers, and be consistent, he could be a good QB ... not great, but good enough to win with.

Unfortunately, he's been this way for his entire career, and at this point, it would be foolish to think that is going to change significantly.

I certainly think that Rex needs to be here next year, albeit in a transition/back up role ... but if the Redskins go into next season without the QB of the immediate future, it will be a huge failure. I think they know this, and I think they will make a bold move to get a top tier QB in the draft.

I think there is a good opportunity to swing a deal with St Louis ... a new coach, wanting extra picks to shore up the roster who already has a young top tier QB in Bradford ... I see deal written all over that.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:29 pm

RayNAustin wrote:I think Kyle's take on it is pretty accurate and realistic.

Rex shows flashes of brilliance, and when he get's into a rhythm, he can look like a franchise QB. But he insists on throwing the one or two balls that are just horrible decisions that result in picks, and negates the positives he provides. Couple that with the fumbles, and he's that proverbial curse and the cure. He's quite maddening in that regard ... if only he could eliminate those turnovers, and be consistent, he could be a good QB ... not great, but good enough to win with.

Unfortunately, he's been this way for his entire career, and at this point, it would be foolish to think that is going to change significantly.

I certainly think that Rex needs to be here next year, albeit in a transition/back up role ... but if the Redskins go into next season without the QB of the immediate future, it will be a huge failure. I think they know this, and I think they will make a bold move to get a top tier QB in the draft.

I think there is a good opportunity to swing a deal with St Louis ... a new coach, wanting extra picks to shore up the roster who already has a young top tier QB in Bradford ... I see deal written all over that.

Yeah, they seem to be willing to deal. The question will be how much will it cost? And, will the Browns be willing to give up both of their 1st round picks this year to get there. If so, the bidding could get up there quickly.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:16 pm

There's really little doubt about the cost - it will be AT LEAST 2 - 1st round picks and most likely 2 - 2nd round picks - PLUS :lol:

I find it hard to believe that some here think that this FO MIGHT have Beck or Grossman starting here in September
There are NO recent indications that Mike or Bruce will do that - NONE

it's going to be interesting - my thinking is they will not give up the draft picks

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:31 pm

If the Browns want RGIII, they will have him, and there is nothing we can do to stop them. Giving up 2 first round picks from this year's draft for a player of this quality is a no brainer.

I'm not convinced they want him. If we move to 2, it's because the Browns were not interested in him, to begin with.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:13 am

SJ who does this FO want my dawg? Let us know..

Campbell? Man I want this mess cleared up already. If we don't use our top ten pick this year to trade w st Louis and add players and/or pics we are doomed to a repeat of the last ten years. The writing is on the wall.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:08 am

Countertrey wrote:If the Browns want RGIII, they will have him, and there is nothing we can do to stop them. Giving up 2 first round picks from this year's draft for a player of this quality is a no brainer.

I'm not convinced they want him. If we move to 2, it's because the Browns were not interested in him, to begin with.

I'm going to believe what the GM said and thats, that they Browns will add a Vet QB to compete with McCoy. They need a RB and WR. I think they take Blackmon.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:15 am

This FO saw the error in thinking that a combination of Beck and Grossman might help the offense get through the season
It's AMAZING that some here think that this FO could actually plan to start EITHER QB here in September

WHY??

The Redskins will have a number of QBs here that will have a shot at starting here - maybe even including Beck and Grossman
1 of those QBs (NOT Beck or Grossman) will be THE starting QB here

there does not appear to be much to the QB class after Luck & RGIII but I'm sure that we'll also get at least 1 rookie QB in the mix as well
Be great if we could get RGIII - IF this FO really, really likes him

This FO will NOT give up 4 TOP 60 players in the next 2 drafts ... and that's a good thing

we do need to find a future great QB soon but NOT at the expense of being able to add 4 to 5 VERY talented players

The Shanaplan needs to stay on track

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:01 am

If any "plan" stayed on your track they'd be a predictable scared wuss arse team w no guts and no glory... Glad u know nothing of "the plan"

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Fri Feb 03, 2012 3:03 am

Once again your "answer" is bull poop. IF they Don't want RGiii (smh)i.. Give examples of who you KNOW they want! During the season I can agree w some of your babble but the last month and a half your are speaking out your.....
No proof no other options just ignorant know with all bs when we all know nothing.. The shannaplan should include you eating crow and accepting we desperately need a FRANCHISE qb. Not a second rate project in round two or three and sure as hell not a pos FA we pay way to much for to flop and retire in DC.
Your same ol same ol posts bore me more then typing the same ol same ol "optimistic" responses..
Smh @ SJ wtf u cheifin? Pass dat isht to st Louis dawg you mus be hitn some killa illa laced wit... Some ish to be so anti future.

Ima spit isht like five more times then ill back off the board till draft day. Most skip my post an prolly block my ish if possible but seriously.. Voice of the ~25 year old generation... Not the best and we want some faw KIN BLOOD... Burgandy and gold NATION

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:51 am

SkinsJock wrote:This FO saw the error in thinking that a combination of Beck and Grossman might help the offense get through the season
It's AMAZING that some here think that this FO could actually plan to start EITHER QB here in September

WHY??

The Redskins will have a number of QBs here that will have a shot at starting here - maybe even including Beck and Grossman
1 of those QBs (NOT Beck or Grossman) will be THE starting QB here

there does not appear to be much to the QB class after Luck & RGIII but I'm sure that we'll also get at least 1 rookie QB in the mix as well
Be great if we could get RGIII - IF this FO really, really likes him

This FO will NOT give up 4 TOP 60 players in the next 2 drafts ... and that's a good thing

we do need to find a future great QB soon but NOT at the expense of being able to add 4 to 5 VERY talented players

The Shanaplan needs to stay on track

This logic is ridiculous. If Grossman/Beck is here as the backup/transition guy and we draft a rookie (everyone except Luck is said to need time to sit on the bench and develop), and then in the offseason/preseason Grossman/Beck outperforms the said rookie (and possibly other FA QBs we acquire) they will be starting in week 1 next year. It's that plain and simple.

cowboykillerzRGiii · Post by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:31 am

I tend to drunk post sometimes vs drunk dial. My bad sj wasn't attacking you just your posts. I'm on board w the do anything to get the face of the future... Our payton manning but not him lol.
Your on the save picks side. I just don't see any viable option at qb available, RG or Luck being the best option to start day one.
Forgive me for not wanting another Rexy season when w any one who wasn't a Turnover machine woulda won out the east and took us to the playoffs.. Look where the gnats are! If we had a good.. Not even great qb... We coulda been at Lucas field on Sunday.
RGiii is tht guy imo. Smart athletic accurate and his whole college career less TO then Rex in his 14 or what ever games w the skins.

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:45 am

I don't think there are many Skins fans that want to see Grossman return (me being one of them), but I certainly wouldn't say it's not going to happen.

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:07 pm

It doesn't say what impact this has on their draft plans, but I =D>

the thnking this article reflects. It shows a lot of careful consideration.

http://www.csnwashington.com/blog/redsk ... eedID=6458

Exerpt that I particularly like:

The Redskins could have claimed Orton off waivers late in the season and thought about it, a source said, but didn’t want to damage the locker room’s morale because of his non-relationship with Rex Grossman. The two competed for the same job in Chicago and Grossman was well-respected by his Redskins teammates.

Plus, what could have been gained? Orton, who has started for Denver and Kansas City, likely would have opted for free agency after the season anyway.

However, possible Grossman-Orton clashes wouldn't be an issue for 2012, because Grossman also is a free agent, so the Redskins likely wouldn't bring him back if they signed Orton.

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SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:16 pm

StorminMormon86 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:This FO saw the error in thinking that a combination of Beck and Grossman might help the offense get through the season
It's AMAZING that some here think that this FO could actually PLAN to start EITHER QB here in September

The Redskins will have a number of QBs here that will have a shot at starting here - maybe even including Beck and Grossman
1 of those QBs (NOT Beck or Grossman) will be THE starting QB here

there does not appear to be much to the QB class after Luck & RGIII but I'm sure that we'll also get at least 1 rookie QB in the mix as well
Be great if we could get RGIII - IF this FO really, really likes him

This FO will NOT give up 4 TOP 60 players in the next 2 drafts ... and that's a good thing

we do need to find a future great QB soon but NOT at the expense of being able to add 4 to 5 VERY talented players

The Shanaplan needs to stay on track

This logic is ridiculous. If Grossman/Beck is here as the backup/transition guy and we draft a rookie (everyone except Luck is said to need time to sit on the bench and develop), and then in the offseason/preseason Grossman/Beck outperforms the said rookie (and possibly other FA QBs we acquire) they will be starting in week 1 next year. It's that plain and simple.

I'm sorry - There is little to NO CHANCE that Beck or Grossman can do enough to be the Redskins' starting QB in September

it's possible but this FO will ABSOLUTELY make sure that they have a QB starting here that is NOT named Beck or Grossman

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:20 pm

StorminMormon86 wrote:I don't think there are many Skins fans that want to see Grossman return (me being one of them), but I certainly wouldn't say it's not going to happen.

There's a good chance that Grossman returns

This FO will make sure that the starting QB is NOT Rex Grossman

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:17 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
StorminMormon86 wrote:I don't think there are many Skins fans that want to see Grossman return (me being one of them), but I certainly wouldn't say it's not going to happen.

There's a good chance that Grossman returns

This FO will make sure that the starting QB is NOT Rex Grossman

I agree with your first statement, but I still think its not out of the question that Grossman ends up starting in the short term (on a pretty short leash) if we're preparing a rookie QB.

I was thinking the other day about Kyle saying that Rex would be a pretty good QB if he could just clean up his turnovers. There is definitely some truth to that. Rex has been been really successful in stretches.

Before anybody starts calling me a lunatic though, I'll just add that I was looking at Rex's wikipedia page and shaking my head over the stuff about his history with the Bears:

Before the 2007 season, Grossman vowed that he would improve his performance by simply “protecting the ball."[33] Smith named him as the team’s starting quarterback for the 2007 season, despite inconsistent and lackluster play throughout the preseason.[34] Grossman struggled in his first three outings of the season, and committed ten turnovers with a 45.2 passer rating.[35][36] After week three, several news sources reported that Smith demoted him in favor of Brian Griese.

Its probably safe to say there is no "fixing" Rex Grossman.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:38 pm

I just think that there's at least 1 free agent QB that the FO already feels will be better than Grossman

Getting RGIII would be great but he's still going to need time to get ready

I think we may see Grossman but only if he does really well getting ready and helping the rookie

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:33 am

SkinsJock wrote:I just think that there's at least 1 free agent QB that the FO already feels will be better than Grossman

Getting RGIII would be great but he's still going to need time to get ready

I think we may see Grossman but only if he does really well getting ready and helping the rookie

We all know that just about every viable FA QB is better than Grossman, but he's familiar with "the system", has the locker room supporting him, etc. Trust me, I don't want him back at all...the last thing a rookie QB needs is Grossman grooming him, but I don't think it's much of a stretch to see him AND Beck return.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:56 am

This franchise used to be managed badly - there is NO WAY that this FO cares what the players want or like - ZERO

I There is a chance that both Beck and Grossman are given opportunities here
there will be a few QBs being given a chance to show what they can do

This FO WILL make sure that we have:

1) Better play from the QB than we had in 2011
2) at least 1 free agent QB competing to be the starter
3) a rookie QB from the draft

We will see better play from our QB but we also need to continue to add younger players through the draft and free agency

we have many holes and many needs - just adding a great QB is NOT going to get it done OR in the BEST interests of this franchise

we need to add a great QB AND we need to add a lot of young, very good players

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:22 pm

StorminMormon86 wrote:We all know that just about every viable FA QB is better than Grossman

We do??? I mean I don't know that. Grossman is UNFORTUNATELY one of the top ten FA QBs available this year. And that's the problem.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:53 pm

The only rating of free agent QBs that matters is the Redskins' FO

the ONLY way that Grossman is starting here is by showing that he's CLEARLY the best option available :shock:

THAT is NOT happening - NOBODY can really think that - NOBODY :lol:

unless they're doing drugs