Figured we could have one single thread about any/all FA QB's who will be available in 2012.
* = likely will be franchise tagged.
Quarterbacks
Drew Brees * Matt Flynn * Kyle Orton Chad Henne Alex Smith Jason Campbell David Garrard Vince Young Josh Johnson Shaun Hill Byron Leftwich Sage Rosenfels Brady Quinn Drew Stanton Donovan McNabb Chad Pennington Rex Grossman Dennis Dixon Chris Redman Josh McCown Charlie Whitehurst Luke McCown Charlie Batch Jake Delhomme J.P. Losman Dan Orlovsky Derek Anderson A.J. Feeley Caleb Hanie David Carr Kellen Clemens Kyle Boller Mark Brunell Jeff Garcia Kevin O'Connell
Now this is not my list and it's not totally accurate as some guys may have been resigned. Either way, I think this is good to use in terms of keeping ourselves up to date on who's out there and may end up in DC.
ps - What would you guys do if JCam ended up back in DC?
Last edited by frankcal20 on Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.
It would be a blessing. please resign jcam that was one mistake that mike S
made that he can clean up by resign him. he will be 10 time better than sexy rexy,and 20 time better than beck. please bring him back. I know alot of fans
don't agree, but it would hurt to go that route.
I like Joe Gibbs analysis on this. We need a franchise QB and not a career back-up retread that has already failed to prove they are that franchise guy. I read into this that Gibbs thinks the success he had with non-franchise guys wouldn't be possible in today's NFL. The only viable options I see are Manning, Flynn, Luck, or RG3. My preference being RGIII. The lowest risk obviously being Manning (if he's healthy).
34andcounting wrote:It would be a blessing. please resign jcam that was one mistake that mike S made that he can clean up by resign him. he will be 10 time better than sexy rexy,and 20 time better than beck. please bring him back. I know alot of fans don't agree, but it would hurt to go that route.
Really? Why do you think JC is 10x better than Rex?
Colorado Skin Fan wrote:I like Joe Gibbs analysis on this. We need a franchise QB and not a career back-up retread that has already failed to prove they are that franchise guy. I read into this that Gibbs thinks the success he had with non-franchise guys wouldn't be possible in today's NFL. The only viable options I see are Manning, Flynn, Luck, or RG3. My preference being RGIII. The lowest risk obviously being Manning (if he's healthy).
With all due RESPECT, Joe was NEVER a personnel genius. Once he had the right players, he helped bring the best of them. His place was coaching, not a scout or GM.
Daniel Snyder has defined incompetence, failure and greed to true Washington Redskins fans for over a decade and a half. Stay away from football operations !!!
frankcal20 wrote:What would you guys do if JCam ended up back in DC?
As long as Donovan McNabb and Mark Brunell come along in a package with him, we would be OK ... AGAIN
Daniel Snyder has defined incompetence, failure and greed to true Washington Redskins fans for over a decade and a half. Stay away from football operations !!!
Colorado Skin Fan wrote:I like Joe Gibbs analysis on this. We need a franchise QB and not a career back-up retread that has already failed to prove they are that franchise guy. I read into this that Gibbs thinks the success he had with non-franchise guys wouldn't be possible in today's NFL. The only viable options I see are Manning, Flynn, Luck, or RG3. My preference being RGIII. The lowest risk obviously being Manning (if he's healthy).
With all due RESPECT, Joe was NEVER a personnel genius. Once he had the right players, he helped bring the best of them. His place was coaching, not a scout or GM.
You're right. Gibbs was not a personnel guy. But, he knows you need a stud QB to be a top tier team. Now it's up to Shanny and Allen to get their man.
Colorado Skin Fan wrote:I like Joe Gibbs analysis on this. We need a franchise QB and not a career back-up retread that has already failed to prove they are that franchise guy. I read into this that Gibbs thinks the success he had with non-franchise guys wouldn't be possible in today's NFL. The only viable options I see are Manning, Flynn, Luck, or RG3. My preference being RGIII. The lowest risk obviously being Manning (if he's healthy).
With all due RESPECT, Joe was NEVER a personnel genius. Once he had the right players, he helped bring the best out of them. His place was coaching, not a scout or GM.
You're right. Gibbs was not a personnel guy. But, he knows you need a stud QB to be a top tier team. Now it's up to Shanny and Allen to get their man.
Gibbs is right in that this franchise needs a top tier QB
the guys in charge are just as aware of how important that is AND they will take steps to bring one in
we may not see a top tier QB here for another year or so but we will see better play from the QB this season
this FO will find us a really good QB - it may take a year or more to see him playing though
I'm looking forward to it
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Colorado Skin Fan wrote:I like Joe Gibbs analysis on this. We need a franchise QB and not a career back-up retread that has already failed to prove they are that franchise guy. I read into this that Gibbs thinks the success he had with non-franchise guys wouldn't be possible in today's NFL. The only viable options I see are Manning, Flynn, Luck, or RG3. My preference being RGIII. The lowest risk obviously being Manning (if he's healthy).
With all due RESPECT, Joe was NEVER a personnel genius. Once he had the right players, he helped bring the best out of them. His place was coaching, not a scout or GM.
You're right. Gibbs was not a personnel guy. But, he knows you need a stud QB to be a top tier team. Now it's up to Shanny and Allen to get their man.
Gibbs is right in that this franchise needs a top tier QB
the guys in charge are just as aware of how important that is AND they will take steps to bring one in
we may not see a top tier QB here for another year or so but we will see better play from the QB this season
this FO will find us a really good QB - it may take a year or more to see him playing though I'm looking forward to it
This is why I still say it will take many years. Like 7+ People kept saying no it will take 2 or 3. This staff tries I give them that. It should and probably will happen if given the chance but 1 more year like this one and they wont get another chance I am thinking.
Here's the thing. Franchise QB's aren't just hanging around. There is only really one guy out there that is projected to be that guy and it's Luck. The guess is it'll take 4 1st round picks to get him. If the Skins pay that, then the only thing they'll have is a QB and nothing more b/c they just leveraged the future for one guy who realistically stands a 50/50 chance of being a flop or not.
The real key is to get a QB in here who can be serviceable for several years while you groom your franchise guys. That's the problem in todays NFL. Everyone expects a guy to come out of college and be the next Manning. Well, there arn't many of those guys and if you ask me, Peytons done. If he gets sneezed on his back is going to break and there's a VERY realistic chance that he may not be able to walk.
With that being said, Washington needs to go out and get a QB on the FA market who can be here a few years. Here's my thought depending on who we're targeting in the draft:
If you go after RG3, I would pursue a more mobile Vet QB like the guy who left Jville this past year.
If you go after a Tannahill type QB or someone similar, then you bring in a guy who has a similar skill set. I saw where folks wanted to put a pocket passer with RG3 and that just makes no sense to me because you're actually taking away from the guys talents.
If you want to win consistently vs. intermittently you need a QB that is a playmaker vs. just a step up from bad. Maybe one of the up and comers will take a step up to elite this year like Rogers did last year (e.g. Dalton, Stafford, etc.).
The more likely scenario is the teams that make it to the division championships will have franchise QBs leading the way (e.g. Rogers, Brees, Big Ben, Brady, etc.).
If we are ever going to break this chain of mediocrity, bordering on just plain bad, then it takes playmaking leaders at key positions to do it.
Go get a someone who can win you a games when the chips are down. I don't see anyone on the list above (haven't seen Flynn play) that matches that description.
The draft certainly has risk as well, even with Luck and RGIII. You have a better chance of finding your guy there.
I do agree with finding a vet with a complimentary skill set to allow the young guy to be groomed.
My whole thing is that you have a better opportunity at finding a successful QB if you draft him and sit him similar to what SD did with Brees & Rivers. Of course Manning didn't sit but Brady in NE. Rogers sat under Favre but Big Ben was forced to play. With that being said, and I know this doesn't make folks happy in this "I want it now" mentality but you've got to groom a guy. Plain and simple. Also, we all should note that there will be other guys who will become available but I really do not think that there is anyone out there who would be available that I would like more than Flynn. One guy I'm intrigued on as well is Brian Hoyer from NE. Sat behind Brady who is considered one of the top studiers in the game. Of course Hoyer has NO tape so there's a bit of a risk there but he's a guy who I would be willing to take a flyer on. Flynns going to demand the most money. I think JCampbell very well may end up in Seattle or Miami as a starter while they groom a young QB.
frankcal20 wrote:My whole thing is that you have a better opportunity at finding a successful QB if you draft him and sit him similar to what SD did with Brees & Rivers. Of course Manning didn't sit but Brady in NE. Rogers sat under Favre but Big Ben was forced to play. With that being said, and I know this doesn't make folks happy in this "I want it now" mentality but you've got to groom a guy. Plain and simple. Also, we all should note that there will be other guys who will become available but I really do not think that there is anyone out there who would be available that I would like more than Flynn. One guy I'm intrigued on as well is Brian Hoyer from NE. Sat behind Brady who is considered one of the top studiers in the game. Of course Hoyer has NO tape so there's a bit of a risk there but he's a guy who I would be willing to take a flyer on. Flynns going to demand the most money. I think JCampbell very well may end up in Seattle or Miami as a starter while they groom a young QB.
It all depends on the player and you can't generalize. Newton, Dalton, Flacco, Ryan, Bradford...all guys within the past 5 years that started as rookies and performed well. Even Ponder acquitted himself quite well this year when he played.
frankcal20 wrote:My whole thing is that you have a better opportunity at finding a successful QB if you draft him and sit him similar to what SD did with Brees & Rivers. Of course Manning didn't sit but Brady in NE. Rogers sat under Favre but Big Ben was forced to play. With that being said, and I know this doesn't make folks happy in this "I want it now" mentality but you've got to groom a guy. Plain and simple. Also, we all should note that there will be other guys who will become available but I really do not think that there is anyone out there who would be available that I would like more than Flynn. One guy I'm intrigued on as well is Brian Hoyer from NE. Sat behind Brady who is considered one of the top studiers in the game. Of course Hoyer has NO tape so there's a bit of a risk there but he's a guy who I would be willing to take a flyer on. Flynns going to demand the most money. I think JCampbell very well may end up in Seattle or Miami as a starter while they groom a young QB.
It all depends on the player and you can't generalize. Newton, Dalton, Flacco, Ryan, Bradford...all guys within the past 5 years that started as rookies and performed well. Even Ponder acquitted himself quite well this year when he played.
I see your point but we can make the case that all of the QBs you've mentioned came into a position where they could excel because a foundation was there for them to grow in. Washington has limited offensive weapons outside of an optimistic running game. The offensive line is spotty at best. I think that if you're fine with the Skins going 6-10 again but having a young QB, then thats one thing but if you want to go to the playoffs, you have to address the Oline, get a Vet QB in here while having a young QB in here to groom is the way to go. That's the formula that tends to work better in the current NFL. You have to limit turnovers (something rookies are prone to) and you have to be able to pass the ball (something most rookies do not do well). The rules in place almost require you to do that to win football games.
frankcal20 wrote:My whole thing is that you have a better opportunity at finding a successful QB if you draft him and sit him similar to what SD did with Brees & Rivers. Of course Manning didn't sit but Brady in NE. Rogers sat under Favre but Big Ben was forced to play. With that being said, and I know this doesn't make folks happy in this "I want it now" mentality but you've got to groom a guy. Plain and simple. Also, we all should note that there will be other guys who will become available but I really do not think that there is anyone out there who would be available that I would like more than Flynn. One guy I'm intrigued on as well is Brian Hoyer from NE. Sat behind Brady who is considered one of the top studiers in the game. Of course Hoyer has NO tape so there's a bit of a risk there but he's a guy who I would be willing to take a flyer on. Flynns going to demand the most money. I think JCampbell very well may end up in Seattle or Miami as a starter while they groom a young QB.
The playoffs next year are a pipe dream, no matter who we add in free agency or the draft. We have holes everywhere. We should be focusing on what is best for the team long term, not worrying about a 5-11 team making a playoff run, especially with our schedule.
It all depends on the player and you can't generalize. Newton, Dalton, Flacco, Ryan, Bradford...all guys within the past 5 years that started as rookies and performed well. Even Ponder acquitted himself quite well this year when he played.
I see your point but we can make the case that all of the QBs you've mentioned came into a position where they could excel because a foundation was there for them to grow in. Washington has limited offensive weapons outside of an optimistic running game. The offensive line is spotty at best. I think that if you're fine with the Skins going 6-10 again but having a young QB, then thats one thing but if you want to go to the playoffs, you have to address the Oline, get a Vet QB in here while having a young QB in here to groom is the way to go. That's the formula that tends to work better in the current NFL. You have to limit turnovers (something rookies are prone to) and you have to be able to pass the ball (something most rookies do not do well). The rules in place almost require you to do that to win football games.
All indications point to the fact that we aren;t going to be drafting high enough to get either Luck or RGIII. And the teams ahead of us would want way too much for us to mortgage our future to try to move up to get one of them. Best scenario I have seen so far is that we sign Matt Flynn in free Agency and draft J. Blackmon with our 6th pick. QB + game changing playmaker. I kind of like that scenario.
I definitely want Flynn on this team next year. We need a starter for 2012. Outside of Luck, "experts" keep repeating no other rookie will be ready to start come Week 1. And of that list, Flynn is the best prospect IMO. If we don't get Flynn, I still want to sign another FA to be our backup. I don't want Rex on this team at all next year. He's turned the ball over in EVERY SINGLE game he's appeared in as a Redskin. And that's the guy some people want coming in for relief if our starter goes down? Good riddance.
SCSkinsFan wrote: All indications point to the fact that we aren't going to be drafting high enough to get either Luck or RGIII. And the teams ahead of us would want way too much for us to mortgage our future to try to move up to get one of them. Best scenario I have seen so far is that we sign Matt Flynn in free Agency and draft J. Blackmon with our 6th pick. QB + game changing playmaker. I kind of like that scenario.
^^ would be OK if we were not in need of so many players - we are not able to just fine tune the offense yet
We are not far off but we do have a lot of positions to not only fill but also to have some quality depth
This FO is NOT taking a RB or WR with the #6 pick in this draft
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
