Possible Redskin QB's in 2012 (updated at top)

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:37 pm

I live in DC and listen to Sportstalk980 daily. For what it's worth, Thom Lovero & Kevin Sheean are opinion guys who have no track record of predicting or knowing what the team is really thinking or doing. Thom isn't even a fan of the team. He's a relic baseball writer transplant who is just a talking head. I've never heard them break any news. They react to it, just like us.

The news in D.C. is broken by Shefter now with LaCanfora still having some inside scoops. The exit of Vinny has cut off any reliable, local sources with an "in" to Redskins park.

If you want to know what we're doing, listen to Adam Shefter closely, followed by LaCanfora. Jason Reid is a distant, wayyy distant, way wayyyyy distant option. I'd put Chris Russell & Theismann over him. Russell is okay but he fashions himself a football guy/journalist leaving him mediocre at both jobs. He'll crap out a nugget of info here and there from one of the players that he talks to.

BTW - If you want to hear someone bash the SKins routinely with little to no substance, I'd suggest Sally Jenkins. If you want to hear some geek dissect meaningless numbers as if football is Suduko--might I suggest Mike Wise.

D.C. lacks journalists and is overpopulated by talking heads like Kornheiser, Wilbon, Sheean, Lovero,

GoSkins · Post by **GoSkins** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:48 pm

John Keim at the Washington Examiner is pretty good.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:43 pm

The Hogster wrote:If you want to know what we're doing, listen to Adam Shefter closely, followed by LaCanfora. Jason Reid is a distant, wayyy distant, way wayyyyy distant option. I'd put Chris Russell & Theismann over him. Russell is okay but he fashions himself a football guy/journalist leaving him mediocre at both jobs. He'll crap out a nugget of info here and there from one of the players that he talks to.

I like Grant Paulsen quite a bit. Not really a news breaking guy, but his opinions seem to be on target more often than not. I guess he gets to talk directly to the players.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:49 pm

I live in DC and listen to Sportstalk980 daily. For what it's worth, Thom Lovero & Kevin Sheean are opinion guys who have no track record of predicting or knowing what the team is really thinking or doing. Thom isn't even a fan of the team. He's a relic baseball writer transplant who is just a talking head. I've never heard them break any news. They react to it, just like us.

The funny thing is that Lovero might know even less about baseball than he does football. They treat him like some expert on the subject, but he usually just throws out a bunch of garbage and more often than not is dead wrong.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:58 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
I live in DC and listen to Sportstalk980 daily. For what it's worth, Thom Lovero & Kevin Sheean are opinion guys who have no track record of predicting or knowing what the team is really thinking or doing. Thom isn't even a fan of the team. He's a relic baseball writer transplant who is just a talking head. I've never heard them break any news. They react to it, just like us.

The funny thing is that Lovero might know even less about baseball than he does football. They treat him like some expert on the subject, but he usually just throws out a bunch of garbage and more often than not is dead wrong.

Not to mention he has the worst radio voice in history.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:36 pm

riggofan wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
I live in DC and listen to Sportstalk980 daily. For what it's worth, Thom Lovero & Kevin Sheean are opinion guys who have no track record of predicting or knowing what the team is really thinking or doing. Thom isn't even a fan of the team. He's a relic baseball writer transplant who is just a talking head. I've never heard them break any news. They react to it, just like us.

The funny thing is that Lovero might know even less about baseball than he does football. They treat him like some expert on the subject, but he usually just throws out a bunch of garbage and more often than not is dead wrong.

Not to mention he has the worst radio voice in history.

Yup. Most of the 980 lineup is pretty terrible.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:16 pm

980 needs a makeover. Kornholer is obnoxious. He's like a wannabe, Larry David sans the talent and genius. Just a dry hack that has a giggle gaggle cackling at every dull story he tells. Next up, the Sports Fix. Redskins at 1 is the highlight because they actually try to break news. I like Doc Walker on the JT show, but Thompson talks too much about basketball and college sports for me. The Sports Fix is a douche magnet. It's what I imagine Glenn Beck would listen to on the ride home. Czabe is actually kind of funny though.

Yeah, they pretty much suck. We don't have guys who are local, knowldgeable, blue collar guys who are good with facts. Our best guys are Sonny & Sam and they just call games. The guys who know football and tell it like it is are B Mitch & Lavar, but they've alienated Snyder so much that they have ZERO access.

Doc Walker is all we got who is worth his weight. I'd love to hear Gary Clark on the radio, he had personality. Or if Mark Schlereth stayed in DC. Riggins is such a rebel he's essentially a fan with an opinion rather than any real info. Maybe Cool

ey will save the local market when he's done.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:04 pm

If they franchise Flynn and nobody wants to trade a 1st for him, then they're on the hook to pay 2 QBs top 10 money. Risky. Possible, but risky.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:21 pm

The Hogster wrote:If they franchise Flynn and nobody wants to trade a 1st for him, then they're on the hook to pay 2 QBs top 10 money. Risky. Possible, but risky.

Gregg Jennings will get the tag before Flynn. If Flynn gets the tag "by rule he can't be traded. If Jennings doesn't get tagged he'll get paid somewhere else.

If you had to choose between your starting WR (avg 1000 yds per season) or your backup QB who only plays when the starter is rested.

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:51 pm

1niksder wrote:
The Hogster wrote:If they franchise Flynn and nobody wants to trade a 1st for him, then they're on the hook to pay 2 QBs top 10 money. Risky. Possible, but risky.

Gregg Jennings will get the tag before Flynn. If Flynn gets the tag "by rule he can't be traded. If Jennings doesn't get tagged he'll get paid somewhere else.

If you had to choose between your starting WR (avg 1000 yds per season) or your backup QB who only plays when the starter is rested.

could be a stupid question but want to know. Could Greg get a contract and not offer one to Flynn and still franchise Flrynn?

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:54 pm

Kilmer72 wrote:
1niksder wrote:
The Hogster wrote:If they franchise Flynn and nobody wants to trade a 1st for him, then they're on the hook to pay 2 QBs top 10 money. Risky. Possible, but risky.

Gregg Jennings will get the tag before Flynn. If Flynn gets the tag "by rule he can't be traded. If Jennings doesn't get tagged he'll get paid somewhere else.

If you had to choose between your starting WR (avg 1000 yds per season) or your backup QB who only plays when the starter is rested.

could be a stupid question but want to know. Could Greg get a contract and not offer one to Flynn and still franchise Flrynn?

why do you say Greg gets the franchise before Flynn?

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:01 pm

The Hogster wrote:980 needs a makeover. Kornholer is obnoxious.

Couldn't agree with you more. I don't know what the hell happened to Kornheiser because this wasn't always the case. Seems like since the success at ESPN and MNF, he has really gone downhill. His radio show is unbearable. Un-listenable. I'll take Mike Wise over him at the same time any day, and that is saying something I know.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:41 am

Kilmer72 wrote:
1niksder wrote:
The Hogster wrote:If they franchise Flynn and nobody wants to trade a 1st for him, then they're on the hook to pay 2 QBs top 10 money. Risky. Possible, but risky.

Gregg Jennings will get the tag before Flynn. If Flynn gets the tag "by rule he can't be traded. If Jennings doesn't get tagged he'll get paid somewhere else.

If you had to choose between your starting WR (avg 1000 yds per season) or your backup QB who only plays when the starter is rested.

could be a stupid question but want to know. Could Greg get a contract and not offer one to Flynn and still franchise Flrynn?

First off there are no stupid questions...

Second, I got my Packers mixed up (I'm Skins fan... go figure). Jennings is under contract for next year.

Flynn still won't be 1st in line for the tag. TE Jermichael Finley is much more worthy, and more likely than Flynn.

Kilmer72 wrote:
Kilmer72 wrote:
1niksder wrote:
The Hogster wrote:If they franchise Flynn and nobody wants to trade a 1st for him, then they're on the hook to pay 2 QBs top 10 money. Risky. Possible, but risky.

Gregg Jennings will get the tag before Flynn. If Flynn gets the tag "by rule he can't be traded. If Jennings doesn't get tagged he'll get paid somewhere else.

If you had to choose between your starting WR (avg 1000 yds per season) or your backup QB who only plays when the starter is rested.

could be a stupid question but want to know. Could Greg get a contract and not offer one to Flynn and still franchise Flrynn?

why do you say Greg gets the franchise before Flynn?

Finley (not Jennings) will be a bigger lost to the team as a high production player versus a backup that might be worth a pick or two.

If they tag Flynn they are committing the average of the top 5 players at that position or about $14.4M in cap money, this will Flynn from going out and signing with the highest bidder. The leagues rules say you can't tag and trade a player but it happens all the time (see Matt Cassel to K.C.). The norm is to work out a deal less than the price of the tag or trade the player to another team after they have worked out their old deal. Most players don't like the tag but if Flynn is tagged he can sign it and know he'll get $14M+ averaging 1 start per year and become a FA nxt year.

Green Bay on the other hand can tag Jermichael Finley who starts and plays every week for $5.4M (less than Cool

ey's 2012 cap hit) and hope he signs it. (Jennings Tag number would have been $9.4M).

If they tag Flynn that's money they can't offer Finley weather Flynn signs the tag or not.

Sorry it took so long to get back to you, and hope this helps

StorminMormon86 · Post by **StorminMormon86** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:21 am

I believe Cleveland has also said they are not interested in going after Flynn. If we're not able to get Flynn, I still say we need to acquire a FA to at least be the backup and/or transition starter for the first couple of games next year.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:29 pm

If this report/rumor is true, then it's going to cost a lot more than the value chart says to trade up for RG3. This is what I said all along was my reasoning for not wanting to do it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... r-emerges/

If the Browns--who already have 2 first round picks this year--are trying to trade up with the Rams, that's not good for us for a few reasons. First, it means that the Browns--if they trade up have more ammo to offer and will probably take RG3.

It also means that the market for that 2nd pick is going up already. Either way, it's not looking like he will fall to us. And, it's looking like someone will have to sweeten the deal to persuade the Rams to choose their offer over what the Browns can package together.

If the Browns move up to #2 and the Rams can (i) still pick in the Top 5, and get that second first round pick this year? That already spells FLEECE if anyone else wants to swoop in with an offer.

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:51 pm

The Hogster wrote:If this report/rumor is true, then it's going to cost a lot more than the value chart says to trade up for RG3. This is what I said all along was my reasoning for not wanting to do it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... r-emerges/

If the Browns--who already have 2 first round picks this year--are trying to trade up with the Rams, that's not good for us for a few reasons. First, it means that the Browns--if they trade up have more ammo to offer and will probably take RG3.

It also means that the market for that 2nd pick is going up already. Either way, it's not looking like he will fall to us. And, it's looking like someone will have to sweeten the deal to persuade the Rams to choose their offer over what the Browns can package together.

If the Browns move up to #2 and the Rams can (i) still pick in the Top 5, and get that second first round pick this year? That already spells FLEECE if anyone else wants to swoop in with an offer.

Less for our sake and more for the kids sake, I truly hope he is not drafted by the Browns.

Hooligan · Post by **Hooligan** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:38 pm

If the browns move up to draft Griffin, would they trade McCoy? Would he fit here?

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:10 pm

Sign P.Manning and draft Justin Blackmon

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Tue Jan 17, 2012 4:29 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:Sign P.Manning and draft Justin Blackmon

I wonder how long that would last if our coaching staff tried to teach P.Manning how to run this offence? Or I wonder how long his neck will hold up? He is great but old. We really do need our own QB even if it is some long shot rookie.

elprez19 · Post by **elprez19** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:43 pm

This is on ESPN NFL Rumor today. Thoughts?

Washington has its QB
9:46
AM ETWashington Redskins Top EmailComments1 The NFL draft may not officially commence until April, but that won't stop the Washington Redskins. The team already knows who its next quarterback will be.

"Washington Redskins president of operations Dennis Greene was overheard telling people at a Washington Economic Club luncheon today that a new quarterback has been chosen, 'and fans will be elated,'" Carol Ross Joynt of the Washingtonian relayed. "Greene said the mystery player's name won't be revealed until April, when the NFL draft occurs."

Channeling Carnac the Magnificent, the Redskins have three options which should get their fans "elated" courtesy of a draft choice.

Andrew Luck is expected to be the top No.1 overall draft selection. He may be acquired courtesy of a draft day trade.

Robert Griffin III, the Heisman Trophy winner, is expected to be a top five selection (Washington currently sits sixth overall in the draft order). ESPN's Mel Kiper has RGIII coming off the board at No. 4 overall to Cleveland in his mock draft. Another deal may be required to land Griffin.

A more likely option is Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill. Tannehill, a converted wide receiver, is already familiar with the west coast offense having played under Mike Sherman at College Station.

The possibility also exists the Redskins make a draft day trade for a veteran -- say, Peyton Manning.

Whatever the case, the team appears set to move on from its dynamic duo of Rex Grossman and John Beck. Kiper, meanwhile, has the Redskins looking at the secondary if they cannot find a way to make a trade for either top flight quarterback prospect.

- Brent Sobleski

Mel Kiper Jr.
Redskins select LSU CB Morris Claiborne

"While the "Honey Badger," Tyrann Mathieu, piled up the headlines at LSU, the best cornerback on the team was quietly dominant all season. Currently a top-five player on my Big Board, Claiborne is the top cornerback in the draft. He has good length at 6-foot-1 and is a physical player at more than 180 pounds. The Redskins will need help at corner headed into 2012, particularly in a division in which the Giants, Cowboys and Eagles have elite talent at wide receiver. While not quite the athlete, Claiborne is actually a better pure cover corner than Patrick Peterson, the No. 5 overall pick from last year."

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:34 pm

Surely EVERYBODY with any knowledge knows that neither Grossman or Beck are starting the next regular season game in B&G
THIS IS NOT NEWS

The Redskins will most likely have a FA QB starting here

The Redskins will most likely be getting a QB in the draft that they can get ready to start here

The Redskins will most likely trade down ... NOT up

elprez19 · Post by **elprez19** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:00 pm

SkinsJock wrote:My 2 cents

Surely EVERYBODY with any knowledge knows that neither Grossman or Beck are starting the next regular season game in B&G
THIS IS NOT NEWS

The Redskins will most likely have a FA QB starting here

The Redskins will most likely be getting a QB in the draft that they can get ready to start here

The Redskins will most likely trade down ... NOT up

Yes Sherlock, hopefully neither will be starting but the rumor is that the front office knows WHO will be starting. Yes its a rumor but one that would be nice to hear if its validated. Having the confidence in who they want and the plan on how to get him this early would be exciting

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:35 pm

elprez19 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:My 2 cents

Surely EVERYBODY with any knowledge knows that neither Grossman or Beck are starting the next regular season game in B&G
THIS IS NOT NEWS

The Redskins will most likely have a FA QB starting here

The Redskins will most likely be getting a QB in the draft that they can get ready to start here

The Redskins will most likely trade down ... NOT up

Yes Sherlock, hopefully neither will be starting but the rumor is that the front office knows WHO will be starting. Yes its a rumor but one that would be nice to hear if its validated. Having the confidence in who they want and the plan on how to get him this early would be exciting

let me make it a little clearer for some of the slower fans here
it's not 'hopefully' - NEITHER Grossman or Beck will be starting - END OF THAT deal - guaranteed :roll:

I'll give you one other FACT - NOBODY from the FO or the franchise is going to give out ANY information about the draft BEFORE the draft

trust me on those 2 FACTS ....

Sherlock :wink:

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:41 am

elprez19 wrote:This is on ESPN NFL Rumor today. Thoughts?

Washington has its QB
9:46
AM ETWashington Redskins Top EmailComments1 The NFL draft may not officially commence until April, but that won't stop the Washington Redskins. The team already knows who its next quarterback will be.

"Washington Redskins president of operations Dennis Greene was overheard telling people at a Washington Economic Club luncheon today that a new quarterback has been chosen, 'and fans will be elated,'" Carol Ross Joynt of the Washingtonian relayed. "Greene said the mystery player's name won't be revealed until April, when the NFL draft occurs."

Channeling Carnac the Magnificent, the Redskins have three options which should get their fans "elated" courtesy of a draft choice.

Andrew Luck is expected to be the top No.1 overall draft selection. He may be acquired courtesy of a draft day trade.

Robert Griffin III, the Heisman Trophy winner, is expected to be a top five selection (Washington currently sits sixth overall in the draft order). ESPN's Mel Kiper has RGIII coming off the board at No. 4 overall to Cleveland in his mock draft. Another deal may be required to land Griffin.

A more likely option is Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill. Tannehill, a converted wide receiver, is already familiar with the west coast offense having played under Mike Sherman at College Station.

The possibility also exists the Redskins make a draft day trade for a veteran -- say, Peyton Manning.

Whatever the case, the team appears set to move on from its dynamic duo of Rex Grossman and John Beck. Kiper, meanwhile, has the Redskins looking at the secondary if they cannot find a way to make a trade for either top flight quarterback prospect.

- Brent Sobleski

Mel Kiper Jr.
Redskins select LSU CB Morris Claiborne

"While the "Honey Badger," Tyrann Mathieu, piled up the headlines at LSU, the best cornerback on the team was quietly dominant all season. Currently a top-five player on my Big Board, Claiborne is the top cornerback in the draft. He has good length at 6-foot-1 and is a physical player at more than 180 pounds. The Redskins will need help at corner headed into 2012, particularly in a division in which the Giants, Cowboys and Eagles have elite talent at wide receiver. While not quite the athlete, Claiborne is actually a better pure cover corner than Patrick Peterson, the No. 5 overall pick from last year."

Thoughts?

Not really...

First of all we are talking about a blog...

Not any of the millions of NFL, Redskins Insider, National Sports wires, or Fan Site bloggers but we're talking about a blog in the Washingtonian by Carol Ross Joynt. The closest thing to a sports story that she's posted before this was about the ESPN Zone auction in Va., that's her beat... parties and politics.

Second thing to not think about is, we don't know who it was that overheard this breaking news and why it was being discussed.

Third we're talking about Dennis Greene who she tagged has the "Washington Redskins president of operations". That should be Washington Redskins President of Business Operations... or the guy in charge of selling suites as a cost effective investment for "the Danny"

and Finally... after the story took off like a rocket, she went back and added one more sentence.

It read:
Redskins spokesman Tony Wyllie had this comment: "We have not named our 2012 starting QB."

I'm betting Wyllie spends more time with the President of Football Operations than Greene does

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:30 am

1niksder wrote:
elprez19 wrote:This is on ESPN NFL Rumor today. Thoughts?

Washington has its QB
9:46
AM ETWashington Redskins Top EmailComments1 The NFL draft may not officially commence until April, but that won't stop the Washington Redskins. The team already knows who its next quarterback will be.

"Washington Redskins president of operations Dennis Greene was overheard telling people at a Washington Economic Club luncheon today that a new quarterback has been chosen, 'and fans will be elated,'" Carol Ross Joynt of the Washingtonian relayed. "Greene said the mystery player's name won't be revealed until April, when the NFL draft occurs."

Channeling Carnac the Magnificent, the Redskins have three options which should get their fans "elated" courtesy of a draft choice.

Andrew Luck is expected to be the top No.1 overall draft selection. He may be acquired courtesy of a draft day trade.

Robert Griffin III, the Heisman Trophy winner, is expected to be a top five selection (Washington currently sits sixth overall in the draft order). ESPN's Mel Kiper has RGIII coming off the board at No. 4 overall to Cleveland in his mock draft. Another deal may be required to land Griffin.

A more likely option is Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill. Tannehill, a converted wide receiver, is already familiar with the west coast offense having played under Mike Sherman at College Station.

The possibility also exists the Redskins make a draft day trade for a veteran -- say, Peyton Manning.

Whatever the case, the team appears set to move on from its dynamic duo of Rex Grossman and John Beck. Kiper, meanwhile, has the Redskins looking at the secondary if they cannot find a way to make a trade for either top flight quarterback prospect.

- Brent Sobleski

Mel Kiper Jr.
Redskins select LSU CB Morris Claiborne

"While the "Honey Badger," Tyrann Mathieu, piled up the headlines at LSU, the best cornerback on the team was quietly dominant all season. Currently a top-five player on my Big Board, Claiborne is the top cornerback in the draft. He has good length at 6-foot-1 and is a physical player at more than 180 pounds. The Redskins will need help at corner headed into 2012, particularly in a division in which the Giants, Cowboys and Eagles have elite talent at wide receiver. While not quite the athlete, Claiborne is actually a better pure cover corner than Patrick Peterson, the No. 5 overall pick from last year."

Thoughts?

Not really...

First of all we are talking about a blog...

Not any of the millions of NFL, Redskins Insider, National Sports wires, or Fan Site bloggers but we're talking about a blog in the Washingtonian by Carol Ross Joynt. The closest thing to a sports story that she's posted before this was about the ESPN Zone auction in Va., that's her beat... parties and politics.

Second thing to not think about is, we don't know who it was that overheard this breaking news and why it was being discussed.

Third we're talking about Dennis Greene who she tagged has the "Washington Redskins president of operations". That should be Washington Redskins President of Business Operations... or the guy in charge of selling suites as a cost effective investment for "the Danny"

and Finally... after the story took off like a rocket, she went back and added one more sentence.

It read:
Redskins spokesman Tony Wyllie had this comment: "We have not named our 2012 starting QB."

I'm betting Wyllie spends more time with the President of Football Operations than Greene does

Of course the starting QB for opening day has been chosen. IT's RGIII - that's Rex Grossman, The Third Year, that is!