Possible Redskin QB's in 2012 (updated at top)

[RayNAustin]

My whole thing is that you have a better opportunity at finding a successful QB if you draft him and sit him similar to what SD did with Brees & Rivers. Of course Manning didn't sit but Brady in NE. Rogers sat under Favre but Big Ben was forced to play. With that being said, and I know this doesn't make folks happy in this "I want it now" mentality but you've got to groom a guy. Plain and simple. Also, we all should note that there will be other guys who will become available but I really do not think that there is anyone out there who would be available that I would like more than Flynn. One guy I'm intrigued on as well is Brian Hoyer from NE. Sat behind Brady who is considered one of the top studiers in the game. Of course Hoyer has NO tape so there's a bit of a risk there but he's a guy who I would be willing to take a flyer on. Flynns going to demand the most money. I think JCampbell very well may end up in Seattle or Miami as a starter while they groom a young QB.

It all depends on the player and you can't generalize. Newton, Dalton, Flacco, Ryan, Bradford...all guys within the past 5 years that started as rookies and performed well. Even Ponder acquitted himself quite well this year when he played.

I see your point but we can make the case that all of the QBs you've mentioned came into a position where they could excel because a foundation was there for them to grow in. Washington has limited offensive weapons outside of an optimistic running game. The offensive line is spotty at best. I think that if you're fine with the Skins going 6-10 again but having a young QB, then thats one thing but if you want to go to the playoffs, you have to address the Oline, get a Vet QB in here while having a young QB in here to groom is the way to go. That's the formula that tends to work better in the current NFL. You have to limit turnovers (something rookies are prone to) and you have to be able to pass the ball (something most rookies do not do well). The rules in place almost require you to do that to win football games.

Nope ... that doesn't fly. We beat the Giants TWICE .... we lost both games to the Cowboys by a hair ... one game in overtime. Both games should have been wins, and that would have altered the landscape and placed us into position to win the division, even with shoddy QB play.

Had we had a first class, legitimate QB playing this past season, I tell you we would have won the division EASILY ... with our current talent. We wasted three games (losses) with the Beck experiment that failed, and in spite of Rex's exasperating up and down play, we were highly competitive in most games.

It's absurd to look at this team as rag tag .... there's a lot of talent being wasted by poor QB play.

I would again draw attention to Gibbs comments about finding that franchise guy at all costs.

That "Guy" would make the Redskins contenders immediately.

[markshark84]

I like Joe Gibbs analysis on this. We need a franchise QB and not a career back-up retread that has already failed to prove they are that franchise guy. I read into this that Gibbs thinks the success he had with non-franchise guys wouldn't be possible in today's NFL. The only viable options I see are Manning, Flynn, Luck, or RG3. My preference being RGIII. The lowest risk obviously being Manning (if he's healthy).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... _blog.html

With all due RESPECT, Joe was NEVER a personnel genius. Once he had the right players, he helped bring the best of them. His place was coaching, not a scout or GM.

You're right. Gibbs was not a personnel guy. But, he knows you need a stud QB to be a top tier team. Now it's up to Shanny and Allen to get their man.

But really -- doesn't EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE WORLD know you need a stud QB to be a top tier team??? I'm not sure his statement is a testiment to Gibbs' personnel knowledge or superior understanding of the game. I would consider anyone that didn't know this to be football-stupid -- so basically I look at Gibbs' statement as evidence that he isn't football-stupid -- which even without his statement, is obvious.

[ArlingtonSkinsFan]

All indications point to the fact that we aren;t going to be drafting high enough to get either Luck or RGIII. And the teams ahead of us would want way too much for us to mortgage our future to try to move up to get one of them. Best scenario I have seen so far is that we sign Matt Flynn in free Agency and draft J. Blackmon with our 6th pick. QB + game changing playmaker. I kind of like that scenario.

I have considered the Flynn/Blackmon scenario as well and I like it also.

[frankcal20]

If that does in fact happen, you immediatly will upgrade your offensive production. AJ Green was a hell of a player and all indications point that he'll be better than AJ. I think that the Browns will draft Blackman.

[CanesSkins26]

If that does in fact happen, you immediatly will upgrade your offensive production. AJ Green was a hell of a player and all indications point that he'll be better than AJ. I think that the Browns will draft Blackman.

I don't know about all that. Blackmon is a stud no doubt, but better than Green?

[Irn-Bru]

My whole thing is that you have a better opportunity at finding a successful QB if you draft him and sit him similar to what SD did with Brees & Rivers. Of course Manning didn't sit but Brady in NE. Rogers sat under Favre but Big Ben was forced to play. With that being said, and I know this doesn't make folks happy in this "I want it now" mentality but you've got to groom a guy. Plain and simple. Also, we all should note that there will be other guys who will become available but I really do not think that there is anyone out there who would be available that I would like more than Flynn. One guy I'm intrigued on as well is Brian Hoyer from NE. Sat behind Brady who is considered one of the top studiers in the game. Of course Hoyer has NO tape so there's a bit of a risk there but he's a guy who I would be willing to take a flyer on. Flynns going to demand the most money. I think JCampbell very well may end up in Seattle or Miami as a starter while they groom a young QB.

It all depends on the player and you can't generalize. Newton, Dalton, Flacco, Ryan, Bradford...all guys within the past 5 years that started as rookies and performed well. Even Ponder acquitted himself quite well this year when he played.

I see your point but we can make the case that all of the QBs you've mentioned came into a position where they could excel because a foundation was there for them to grow in. Washington has limited offensive weapons outside of an optimistic running game. The offensive line is spotty at best. I think that if you're fine with the Skins going 6-10 again but having a young QB, then thats one thing but if you want to go to the playoffs, you have to address the Oline, get a Vet QB in here while having a young QB in here to groom is the way to go. That's the formula that tends to work better in the current NFL. You have to limit turnovers (something rookies are prone to) and you have to be able to pass the ball (something most rookies do not do well). The rules in place almost require you to do that to win football games.

I disagree that we are lacking the talent to support a QB. Two or three years ago (maybe even last year) I'd have agreed, but at this point quarterback has increasingly and more obviously become the bottleneck. We have a run game, receivers that can get open (and that can catch), a couple of good big targets, an offensive line that is giving enough time to throw . . . we're just missing an accurate delivery on the ball.

A rookie will play well in this system, I'd wager. Luck, RGIII. I'd kill to have a shot at Barkley or even Jones. But whoever they get — or even if we make a move for one of the younger starters elsewhere in the league — as long as its one of the better prospects, has a very good chance of coming in and making this offense into a legitimate threat.

[frankcal20]

Didn't another QB declare today. I know the kid from ASU said he's coming out but he's 6'8 and that concerns me a bit but I guess he's mobile and played bball in college.

[markshark84]

My whole thing is that you have a better opportunity at finding a successful QB if you draft him and sit him similar to what SD did with Brees & Rivers. Of course Manning didn't sit but Brady in NE. Rogers sat under Favre but Big Ben was forced to play. With that being said, and I know this doesn't make folks happy in this "I want it now" mentality but you've got to groom a guy. Plain and simple. Also, we all should note that there will be other guys who will become available but I really do not think that there is anyone out there who would be available that I would like more than Flynn. One guy I'm intrigued on as well is Brian Hoyer from NE. Sat behind Brady who is considered one of the top studiers in the game. Of course Hoyer has NO tape so there's a bit of a risk there but he's a guy who I would be willing to take a flyer on. Flynns going to demand the most money. I think JCampbell very well may end up in Seattle or Miami as a starter while they groom a young QB.

It all depends on the player and you can't generalize. Newton, Dalton, Flacco, Ryan, Bradford...all guys within the past 5 years that started as rookies and performed well. Even Ponder acquitted himself quite well this year when he played.

I see your point but we can make the case that all of the QBs you've mentioned came into a position where they could excel because a foundation was there for them to grow in. Washington has limited offensive weapons outside of an optimistic running game. The offensive line is spotty at best. I think that if you're fine with the Skins going 6-10 again but having a young QB, then thats one thing but if you want to go to the playoffs, you have to address the Oline, get a Vet QB in here while having a young QB in here to groom is the way to go. That's the formula that tends to work better in the current NFL. You have to limit turnovers (something rookies are prone to) and you have to be able to pass the ball (something most rookies do not do well). The rules in place almost require you to do that to win football games.

I disagree that we are lacking the talent to support a QB. Two or three years ago (maybe even last year) I'd have agreed, but at this point quarterback has increasingly and more obviously become the bottleneck. We have a run game, receivers that can get open (and that can catch), a couple of good big targets, an offensive line that is giving enough time to throw . . . we're just missing an accurate delivery on the ball.

A rookie will play well in this system, I'd wager. Luck, RGIII. I'd kill to have a shot at Barkley or even Jones. But whoever they get — or even if we make a move for one of the younger starters elsewhere in the league — as long as its one of the better prospects, has a very good chance of coming in and making this offense into a legitimate threat.

Our OL is not sufficient to support a non-elite pocket QB and especially a rookie QB (outside of Luck). We need to upgrade 3 positions on our OL -- and when you replace 2 or more lineman, it takes a good deal of time (sometimes half a season) to see the benefits. In terms of the run game, run blocking and pass blocking are completely different and require different skill sets from your OL. You can have a good run blocking OL that can't pass block.

We haven't had an adequate OL since about 2007.

[Irn-Bru]

Our OL is not sufficient to support a non-elite pocket QB and especially a rookie QB (outside of Luck).

The stats disagree with you. Not only do we have a functional run game (which helps immensely), but even with Rex "No Pocket Presence" Grossman, Washington was in the middle of the pack on sack rates — and was improving toward the end of the year. The offensive line that Shanny is building is coming together.

We need to upgrade 3 positions on our OL

At the beginning of the season I would have disagreed with you. In the middle I would have agreed. Now once again I disagree with this idea.

We definitely need to upgrade one or maybe two OL positions, but that unit is not a huge weakness on this team. In fact it's hard for me to see the argument that they haven't been adequate. A good run game, and enough pass protection. That seems darn near close to the definition of "adequate" to me.

[frankcal20]

I do think we may have found a guy in Polumbus & Hurt. While they may not be starters, they were pretty decent. With a complete offseason, I really feel they can improve.

[Irn-Bru]

In fact it's hard for me to see the argument that they haven't been adequate. A good run game, and enough pass protection. That seems darn near close to the definition of "adequate" to me.

Can anyone who watched the Skins push around the Giants front 7, in their house, not think we have an adequate line?

[jmooney]

I kinda like the idea of bringing Flynn or another FA QB in and picking up Blackmon, Jeffery or another OT 1st round . I think OG is a bigger need than tackle ATM but, you definitely trade back if you go that route.

I still think you pick up a project QB and alot of scouts have Russel Wilson from Wisconsin going from middle 2nd round to middle 3rd. I think that will change and he moves up after workouts, bowls and combine. (hope not) I really want this guy on the roster. I think this is the next Drew Brees.

That means you go into the season with Flynn, Grossman and Wilson, you still have an opportunity to move Grossman before the season starts if you need to.

If that fails, then the new head coach next year can give up future drafts to trade up for Barkley.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I think the Oline gets a bad rap from a QB that holds the ball too long, can't scramble to save his life, and does know what throwing it away is... Unless u count throwing it to the other Team and throwing into triple coverage smh.
A good qb will make a lot of things about our current team look a helluva lot better. On both sides of the ball imho

[SkinsJock]

A good QB will help here - we will have better play from the QB in 2012


Some of us are just very frustrated that we haven't had a VERY GOOD QB for many years + we do not look like getting one


I do NOT want to "do whatever it takes" to get a VERY GOOD QB

STICK WITH THE PLAN - build the team - we'll have a VERY GOOD QB ... it will just take a little longer


we CAN be in the playoffs and be a consistently good team without a VERY GOOD QB

[Deadskins]

I do NOT want to "do whatever it takes" to get a VERY GOOD QB

STICK WITH THE PLAN - build the team - we'll have a VERY GOOD QB ... it will just take a little longer


we CAN be in the playoffs and be a consistently good team without a VERY GOOD QB

Maybe getting a very good QB is sticking with the plan. If we don't act this off-season, we may not get another opportunity like this. We have the #6 pick; it won't cost that much to move up. But if we do well next year (make the playoffs) our draft pick will be much lower and it will cost much more to move up to a spot where we might draft a top QB. You have to make the move when the timing is right.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

+1
That's all I'm sayin.. We didn't suck enough for luck but we won't suck for pick six again so make I count

[GoSkins]

I do NOT want to "do whatever it takes" to get a VERY GOOD QB

STICK WITH THE PLAN - build the team - we'll have a VERY GOOD QB ... it will just take a little longer


we CAN be in the playoffs and be a consistently good team without a VERY GOOD QB

Maybe getting a very good QB is sticking with the plan. If we don't act this off-season, we may not get another opportunity like this. We have the #6 pick; it won't cost that much to move up. But if we do well next year (make the playoffs) our draft pick will be much lower and it will cost much more to move up to a spot where we might draft a top QB. You have to make the move when the timing is right.

I'm with you on this. This is our time to make a move for a QB.

[SkinsJock]

I do NOT want to "do whatever it takes" to get a VERY GOOD QB

STICK WITH THE PLAN - build the team - we'll have a VERY GOOD QB ... it will just take a little longer


we CAN be in the playoffs and be a consistently good team without a VERY GOOD QB

Maybe getting a very good QB is sticking with the plan. If we don't act this off-season, we may not get another opportunity like this. We have the #6 pick; it won't cost that much to move up. But if we do well next year (make the playoffs) our draft pick will be much lower and it will cost much more to move up to a spot where we might draft a top QB. You have to make the move when the timing is right.

I'll agree with this possibility - this FO does understand the importance of getting a good QB


I just think they keep building - you don't have to pick in the top 10 to get a future great QB - talent evaluation is key

[Hooligan]

I do NOT want to "do whatever it takes" to get a VERY GOOD QB

STICK WITH THE PLAN - build the team - we'll have a VERY GOOD QB ... it will just take a little longer


we CAN be in the playoffs and be a consistently good team without a VERY GOOD QB

Maybe getting a very good QB is sticking with the plan. If we don't act this off-season, we may not get another opportunity like this. We have the #6 pick; it won't cost that much to move up. But if we do well next year (make the playoffs) our draft pick will be much lower and it will cost much more to move up to a spot where we might draft a top QB. You have to make the move when the timing is right.

+1

You can only go the "build the foundation" route for so long. The team has a good core, young guys are stepping up, everyone is hungry, we're up in the #6 spot and two very good (elite?) QB's are within reach... PULL THE TRIGGER!

[CanesSkins26]

I do NOT want to "do whatever it takes" to get a VERY GOOD QB

STICK WITH THE PLAN - build the team - we'll have a VERY GOOD QB ... it will just take a little longer


we CAN be in the playoffs and be a consistently good team without a VERY GOOD QB

Maybe getting a very good QB is sticking with the plan. If we don't act this off-season, we may not get another opportunity like this. We have the #6 pick; it won't cost that much to move up. But if we do well next year (make the playoffs) our draft pick will be much lower and it will cost much more to move up to a spot where we might draft a top QB. You have to make the move when the timing is right.

I'll agree with this possibility - this FO does understand the importance of getting a good QB


I just think they keep building - you don't have to pick in the top 10 to get a future great QB - talent evaluation is key

You're right, talent evaluation is key. But let me ask you this...when has Shanahan ever found a good qb outside of the first round? I'm looking at his draft history, and I'm seeing very little in terms of success in evaluating qbs in the draft. Even with Cutler the argument can be made that he hasn't lived up to his draft position.

[frankcal20]

I do NOT want to "do whatever it takes" to get a VERY GOOD QB

STICK WITH THE PLAN - build the team - we'll have a VERY GOOD QB ... it will just take a little longer


we CAN be in the playoffs and be a consistently good team without a VERY GOOD QB

Maybe getting a very good QB is sticking with the plan. If we don't act this off-season, we may not get another opportunity like this. We have the #6 pick; it won't cost that much to move up. But if we do well next year (make the playoffs) our draft pick will be much lower and it will cost much more to move up to a spot where we might draft a top QB. You have to make the move when the timing is right.

I'll agree with this possibility - this FO does understand the importance of getting a good QB


I just think they keep building - you don't have to pick in the top 10 to get a future great QB - talent evaluation is key

You're right, talent evaluation is key. But let me ask you this...when has Shanahan ever found a good qb outside of the first round? I'm looking at his draft history, and I'm seeing very little in terms of success in evaluating qbs in the draft. Even with Cutler the argument can be made that he hasn't lived up to his draft position.

If you're evaluating most 1st round QBs, you could say they didn't live up to their draft stock and a lot of the good QBs in the NFL should've gone higher. (See Alex Smith vs Aaron Rogers)

[CanesSkins26]

I do NOT want to "do whatever it takes" to get a VERY GOOD QB

STICK WITH THE PLAN - build the team - we'll have a VERY GOOD QB ... it will just take a little longer


we CAN be in the playoffs and be a consistently good team without a VERY GOOD QB

Maybe getting a very good QB is sticking with the plan. If we don't act this off-season, we may not get another opportunity like this. We have the #6 pick; it won't cost that much to move up. But if we do well next year (make the playoffs) our draft pick will be much lower and it will cost much more to move up to a spot where we might draft a top QB. You have to make the move when the timing is right.

I'll agree with this possibility - this FO does understand the importance of getting a good QB


I just think they keep building - you don't have to pick in the top 10 to get a future great QB - talent evaluation is key

You're right, talent evaluation is key. But let me ask you this...when has Shanahan ever found a good qb outside of the first round? I'm looking at his draft history, and I'm seeing very little in terms of success in evaluating qbs in the draft. Even with Cutler the argument can be made that he hasn't lived up to his draft position.

If you're evaluating most 1st round QBs, you could say they didn't live up to their draft stock and a lot of the good QBs in the NFL should've gone higher. (See Alex Smith vs Aaron Rogers)

I'm not talking about most first rounders. I'm talking about Shanahan's history, or lack thereof, in successfully evaluating qbs. Let's look at who the Broncos drafted at qb during Shanahan's tenure...

Jeff Lewis 4th round
Brian Griese 3rd round
Jarious Jackson 7th round
Matt Mauck 7th round
Bradley Van Pelt 7th round
Jay Cutler 1st round
Tom Brandstater 6th round

With the Broncos he also signed Jake Plummer as a free agent, and other qbs that he acquired that took snaps for him include Patrick Ramsey, Danny Kannel, Steve Buerlein, Gus Frerotte, Chris Miller, and Bubby Brister.

As you know, with the Skins it was a failed trade for McNabb and the Rex/Beck fiasco.

John Elway, who Shanahan inherited, retired in 1999 and since then no qb has started in more than 4 seasons for the Broncos, and only 2 (Plummer and Cutler) started 2 full seasons (nobody has started 3 full seasons for Shanahan since Elway).

[SkinsJock]

I can certainly understand where Canes is coming from but his opinion is biased to find anything he can that supports his feeling that Mike Shanahan doesn't suit as the HC here OR that Mike & Bruce might be able to find a QB that can help out here


I totally understand where he's coming from - Canes knows a lot about the NFL and college football

I am going to let it play out and watch Mike and Bruce show Canes that he's wrong about Mike & Bruce - I have more faith in Mike & Bruce than I do in all the facts and stats that Canes can produce

I really don't care what Mike's history indicates - all I care about is what he does from now on - I'm like Tebow, I have faith

[gibbsfan]

I like Joe Gibbs analysis on this. We need a franchise QB and not a career back-up retread that has already failed to prove they are that franchise guy. I read into this that Gibbs thinks the success he had with non-franchise guys wouldn't be possible in today's NFL. The only viable options I see are Manning, Flynn, Luck, or RG3. My preference being RGIII. The lowest risk obviously being Manning (if he's healthy).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... _blog.html

With all due RESPECT, Joe was NEVER a personnel genius. Once he had the right players, he helped bring the best of them. His place was coaching, not a scout or GM.[/quote
You're right. Gibbs was not a personnel guy. But, he knows you need a stud QB to be a top tier team. Now it's up to Shanny and Allen to get their man.

i couldn't agree more now is the time to find their guy at QB.

[SkinsJock]

We're drafting Luck or RGIII if they are there at #6 otherwise we are trading down or taking the best available

I do agree that Mike & Bruce will have at least 1 QB and most likely 2 that will be better than Grossman - that's not hard to do

seems most likely that these QBs are free agents