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absinthe1023 wrote:Are you saying that you rather have Gabbert than Kerrigan and Jenkins? This a long range plan of getting the pieces together.
Would the Colts rather have Peyton Manning or Dwight Freeney/Robert Mathis? The Steelers rather Big Ben or Hampton/Wembley? The Cowboys have Romo or Ware/Ratliff?

In this league the QB is the main position. I can buy Shanahan just not being high on any of the available QBs but if he decided two front 7 players over a possible big time QB, that'd be tough to swallow.


I'm sorry I must have missed the draft, was there a Peyton Manning in the draft this year? Smithian, who was Shanny supposed to take at QB in the draft this year? Dalton? Where are the Bengals? Gabbert? Where are the Jags? Ponder is on the bench. Locker was not available. We had a lot, a lot, a lot, of holes to fill in this offseason. Right now, we have Kerrigan making a difference on the field and Jenkins proved in the preseason that he was a difference maker.

It is not a question of would you rather have Peyton vs Freeney and Mathis. The question is how do you build a team. If the franchise QB is within your grasp, you get him (Peyton). If he is not, you ge the other pieces (Freeney and MAthis) What franchise guy was in our grasp for this draft?
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Redskin in Canada wrote:Good Rex

Bad Rex

Enough good to win some games barely

Enough bad to spend the rest of his life as a backup QB

We are not there yet at that position, guys.

Some of you may not hang it on him but I do. :explode:


And Rex let Dez catch that 3 and 21 pass too. :roll:



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tribeofjudah wrote:
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Redskin in Canada wrote:Good Rex

Bad Rex

Enough good to win some games barely

Enough bad to spend the rest of his life as a backup QB

We are not there yet at that position, guys.

Some of you may not hang it on him but I do. :explode:


And Rex let Dez catch that 3 and 21 pass too. :roll:



booooo on Dhall....talkin all that smack and didn't even show up.


Is there any questions now, why the the Raiders released him?
Another question is, who do we have who is better than D.Hall? For now, he is ours - talk and all. Hall giveth and Hall taketh away - We can only hope he taketh more than he giveth.
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fabe wrote:Every sports team goes through good years and bad years, and it's really how the team bounces back from losses that will truely define their toughness.


Sooooo...

If a team has bad DECADES...what does THAT say?

Because the Redskins have now had TWO of those in a row.

I was sick and tired of this crap fifteen long years ago.

The names change. The results don't.
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fabe wrote:Every sports team goes through good years and bad years, and it's really how the team bounces back from losses that will truely define their toughness.


Sooooo...

If a team has bad DECADES...what does THAT say?

Because the Redskins have now had TWO of those in a row.

I was sick and tired of this crap fifteen long years ago.

The names change. The results don't.


And what results haven't changed. I remember a Gibb's Super Bowl team getting beat by a Cowboy's team at RFk and giving the Cowboys their only win for the season. The season is 16 games long. It was loss by a D that did not give a TD all night - that is not the result that we had last year. We had a first half debacle in Dallas last year and were behind 20-7. that this not result we had this year. Did you notice that Dallas was favored in this game. The last line I saw was by 5.5 points. Last I saw their D was ranked number 2 against the run and had the most sacks in the NFL this season - this was no slouch of a team. They have a gifted QB who made several Grossman like bonehead plays, but he had what Grossman doesn't have - physical skills to overcome his bonehead plays. They have a D that didn't give up the big play. Overall they still have us on talent - Did you not know that we are short on talent this year. This not last year's team or the two years before that. These guys are scrappy and played as such despite their limitations. Get mad at the game and lost, but as a fan don't write off the season until the season is over.
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We are all disappointed and think our team should have won this game.
The team played hard and gave it there all.

Now on to what got me heated a bit. 3rd and 21 and Haslett decides to send the house. Now he just previously called the same exact blitz. Then decides to do same on 3rd and 21. We all know what happened next. Hopefully next time Haslett will just send one may be two extra men and put the rest in coverage. I mean that is where Rak and Kerrigan can get a coverage sack. That is why we drafted the two!!!!

Oh and for goodness sakes Rex when are you going to stop turning the ball over? I mean its almost guaranteed Rex is good for at least one to two turnovers! Yikes! Dang I hate losing to ttit!!!

Anyways just hope they learn from these mistakes. Especially Haslett man! Jeez I knew it before they snapped the ball I yelled please dont send the whole house and he did!!!
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HEROHAMO wrote:Anyways just hope they learn from these mistakes. Especially Haslett man! Jeez I knew it before they snapped the ball I yelled please dont send the whole house and he did!!!

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I love me some Redskins football. We'll get em next time. HTTR
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frankcal20 wrote:I'm not hanging it up on Grossman but it's going to hang on the shoulders of the entire offense.

I am.

The QB is the difference-maker.


Sorry... all Hall needs to do is play fundamentally sound Corner for ONE FREAKING PLAY... and the game can be ended. You don't have to like it... but THAT was the play.

I think I'll save the rest of my opinions for tomorrow, after I cool off. Suffice it to say the Redskins continued pattern of pathetic 2 minute drill play, and weak Red Zone offense contributed to giving the game to a far inferior team... but it was Hall who cut the head off of the victory. I see folks blaming the blitz call... well, folks... Haslett is relying on a "pro bowl" corner to play sound football... Sorry... it's on Hall.


You sir are the winner.

The winner of the most retarded post of the night award!

You can't blame that total frakin abortion of a play on anyone but Hasslett.

DHall played sound football on that play. He was beat because that is how that play ends up 9 out of 10 times. If you constantly blitz a mobile QB and then you're dumb enough to send EVERYONE you deserve to give up a big play.

NFL rules are set up so that play should go to the offense most of the time.

Don't blame ANY of the players on that play; that was 150% Hasslett's!
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Countertrey wrote:
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frankcal20 wrote:I'm not hanging it up on Grossman but it's going to hang on the shoulders of the entire offense.

I am.

The QB is the difference-maker.


Sorry... all Hall needs to do is play fundamentally sound Corner for ONE FREAKING PLAY... and the game can be ended. You don't have to like it... but THAT was the play.

I think I'll save the rest of my opinions for tomorrow, after I cool off. Suffice it to say the Redskins continued pattern of pathetic 2 minute drill play, and weak Red Zone offense contributed to giving the game to a far inferior team... but it was Hall who cut the head off of the victory. I see folks blaming the blitz call... well, folks... Haslett is relying on a "pro bowl" corner to play sound football... Sorry... it's on Hall.


You sir are the winner.

The winner of the most retarded post of the night award!

You can't blame that total frakin abortion of a play on anyone but Hasslett.

DHall played sound football on that play. He was beat because that is how that play ends up 9 out of 10 times. If you constantly blitz a mobile QB and then you're dumb enough to send EVERYONE you deserve to give up a big play.

NFL rules are set up so that play should go to the offense most of the time.

Don't blame ANY of the players on that play; that was 150% Hasslett's!
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True - A decoordinator is supposed to mix his blitzes up and disguise them. On 3 and 21, it doesn't seem like the right call to call out an all our blitz; however, Dallas has tendencies and their tendency is to throw the ball up to a spot in that situation.

What we don't know is the conversation between Haz and D. Hall. Dez Bryant in the game - it is coming to him at that spot. Should D. Hall have been at that spot? What no one has said so far is how Dez Bryant got behind Hall who should have had a good sized cushion (they always have a good sized cushion anyway). Did Dez give a double move? Was Hall peeking in the backfield?

Dez was Hall's man. Hall did not make the play. If Hall is the player that he claims to be then at the very least, he should have been close enough to make a play on the ball - he was beaten on a play that he knew was coming.

D Coordinators call the play - whether we agree with the play or not, the players did not execute. No one beat their block. Maybe they got held and it was not called, but no one outright beat their block. Hall did not make the play. Whose fault it is it?

Players play the game - the call, though not what a lot of D coordinators would call was not something that had zero chance to work or 1 out of 10 chances to work. D. Hall covers his man on that play - most likely - game over period!

Conclusion - D. Hall is not the guy he claims to be (We knew that)

Should Haz have placed his confidence in his player? That is what a player lives for for his coach to trust his ability. Haz is clearly a player's coach. In the long run, that produces good results and we have seen an low talent D play above its ability.

Bottomline - NO ONE PLAY COST US THE GAME! Several plays showed that we have work to to do and some holes to fill (Didn't we know this going into the season?) It would be nice to be 3-0, but the Cards game showed us limitations as well. This team is a work in progress with most of us knowing that it needs another off season to place us among the elite teams.
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Red_One43 wrote:True - A decoordinator is supposed to mix his blitzes up and disguise them. On 3 and 21, it doesn't seem like the right call to call out an all our blitz; however, Dallas has tendencies and their tendency is to throw the ball up to a spot in that situation.

What we don't know is the conversation between Haz and D. Hall. Dez Bryant in the game - it is coming to him at that spot. Should D. Hall have been at that spot? What no one has said so far is how Dez Bryant got behind Hall who should have had a good sized cushion (they always have a good sized cushion anyway). Did Dez give a double move? Was Hall peeking in the backfield?

Dez was Hall's man. Hall did not make the play. If Hall is the player that he claims to be then at the very least, he should have been close enough to make a play on the ball - he was beaten on a play that he knew was coming.

D Coordinators call the play - whether we agree with the play or not, the players did not execute. No one beat their block. Maybe they got held and it was not called, but no one outright beat their block. Hall did not make the play. Whose fault it is it?

Players play the game - the call, though not what a lot of D coordinators would call was not something that had zero chance to work or 1 out of 10 chances to work. D. Hall covers his man on that play - most likely - game over period!

Conclusion - D. Hall is not the guy he claims to be (We knew that)

Should Haz have placed his confidence in his player? That is what a player lives for for his coach to trust his ability. Haz is clearly a player's coach. In the long run, that produces good results and we have seen an low talent D play above its ability.

Bottomline - NO ONE PLAY COST US THE GAME! Several plays showed that we have work to to do and some holes to fill (Didn't we know this going into the season?) It would be nice to be 3-0, but the Cards game showed us limitations as well. This team is a work in progress with most of us knowing that it needs another off season to place us among the elite teams.


DHall didn't get beat. No double move, no peaking in the back field. I don't care who was put there on that play Dez Bryant had the upper hand. He lined up so that he had plenty of cushion on either side, ran a go route, waited for DHall to establish position, and then ran to a ball thrown to that side.

The play was indefensible in a 9 man rush. Bryant didn't have to lose or beat Hall and Romo didn't have to make a perfect pass. Romo just had to avoid the rush for a short time and then throw the ball to the opposite side of where Hall was.

No CB to ever play the game makes that play.

Could Hall have had a little better coverage? Maybe. It still wouldn't have made any difference, because all Romo had to do was lead Bryant away from coverage.

It was just a game of pitch and catch.

No, that play didn't cost us the game, but it did cost us a shot at closing out the game. How about rushing 3 or 4 and letting the Cowgirls have to complete two passes for the first down instead of one.

I was just defending Hall for being hung out to dry by Hasslett!

I'm amazed at how many morons are blaming that play on Hall.
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Enough coulda, woulda and shoulda.

We are who we thought we were:

1) a team still without some good players at key positions among which QB is the most glaring need;

2) a younger and better team than last year's disaster;

3) a 8-8 work-in-progress team moving in the right direction this season;

4) a team with a D coordinator with extremely poor judgment at times;

5) a team with a loyal fan base that is fed up with ridicule and defeat.

I do not remember to have SCREAMED as hard as my lungs allow in anger and frustration at the TV last night in living memory. I stick to my 8 - 8 prediction. Thanks for bringing us back to reality. The beginning of this season looked to good too be true and it was.

The only hope we have is that after all of our flaws which were exposed in national tv last night, we get to fix whatever can be fixed during the rest of the season and the BIG holes get filled during the next offseason.

I am sure the young team will rebound from this loss and we will meet the Pukes in DC. I will be cheering for my team then as I have done throughout my entire life. HTTR
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What I watched last night was the good, the bad, and the ugly. The good was the defense not allowing Dallas in the endzone. The bad was the defense allowing Dallas to convert on a 3rd and 21 on their final drive, and the offenses inability to sustain drives in 4th qtr once they had the lead and put the game away. The ugly was Hall trash talking prior to the game, making fools of the entire team when they lost. While this team is somewhat better than last year's team, they still have a long road ahead of them before they become competitive with the best teams....
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Red_One43 wrote:
Jeremy81 wrote:I don't care if it's an 8 man blitz or a three man rush, letting them get a first down on 3rd and 21 is utterly unacceptable...

I do know one thing, I will be avoiding espn for the next 6 days...if they were slurping romo after the niner game, than this garbage will be on everything from pti to zach brinkus


True - on the 3rd and 21. You have to stop that play. Takes away from an otherwise scrappy performance from the D. It was a tough assignment for Hall, but didn't he call for it?


That one "aw crap" wiped out all the "atta boys"....
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die cowboys die wrote:did we somehow not have a single open receiver all night? what the crap. he had time back there most of the time.


One thing I've notice about Grossman; if he's outside the pocket, he's not going to complete a pass. He'll either run with the ball, or throw it away. He apparently can't complete passes when he's outside the pocket...
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fabe wrote:Man for a while I've seen multiple threads in Smack where all you guys are flaming some troll for talking about drafting a franchise QB and building the team around him. Now I'm seeing everyone breaking down, losing faith, and talking about losing more games to get a decent QB. Check your heads people. You're letting ONE game get to you. Sure it seems like deja vu all over again, but we have a lot of easy games coming up and I for one am looking forward to them.


I don't think it's as much losing this one game, but rather what took place during the game. So many things happened that looked way to familiar as the old Redskins; the D giving up a play so huge it basically cost us the game, the offense's inability to put the game away when we had the lead, etc. These aren't signs of an improving team, but rather signs of the same ol' same ol'....
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Could the field goal team practice kicking FGs jothis week. Not just the kicker but the hole frakin team! Do we have to have a blocked or missed FG EVERY week!

Week 1 was on Gano
Week 2 was on the blockers
Week 3 was on the holder

But every kick the rushers 11pm the left side are getting ridiculously close to blocking the kick.
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VERY frustrating to lose a game that we just as easily could have won

if we'd won - there would be many here thinking we're a lot better than we really are

we lost - there are many here thinking we're a lot worse than we really are

c'mon people - we're 2-1 in a season that if we continue to play to our abilities and to the skill level of the players we have, we should end up 8-8 or maybe 9-7

we are who we are - we all know what needs to be done and it's not getting done this season

we're still going to be a team to be reckoned with each week - this group can play

they're just not going to be consistently good enough until we add a few more pieces



and we're not losing Haslett or Kyle :roll:
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Some observations from last night:

1. I've never been a big fan of Haslett, and he only solidified that last night with that ridiculous blitz on 3rd & 21. Unforgivable play call and he should apologize to the team today.

2. We definitely have ourselves a player and future star in Kerrigan. He was all over the place last night.

3. How could every possible bounce go Dallas' way on what seemed like 10+ fumbles?? Just bad luck on our part I guess.

4. While I've always been a fan of Rob Jackson and what he can add to the pass rush, dude needs to learn how to play the run and keep contain, and i don't know, maybe tackle the guy carrying the ball and not the lead blocker.

5. Can the league please look into why it seemed like everyone was playing on ice last night on a brand new stadium with field turf. Absolutely ridiculous.

6. Kyle is starting to look somewhat like Garrett calling plays on offense. Sometimes he totally abandons the run, like for an entire quarter. Unacceptable with our team and particularly our QB.

That being said, we need to bounce back and get a W in STL this week and go into the bye 3-1. I'm not happy that they are 0-3 and just got their doors blown off last week. They will be hungry, it will not be an easy game.
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There's a solution for slick fields...it's called longer cleets....
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It's cathartic to read and post after something like that. Interesting the attention on Dhall as the goat for the 3rd and 21 give up but what got me hot was the missing Hightower in the 4th quarter.

I read player tweets too. Love the attitude. Onto the Rams who have magically had our number of late. That's the next test and I'm looking forward to it.

Before the game, I was imagining a split with the Girls and I'm not on the ledge over it. I just wish they (Dallas) didn't look so inept so the loss was more easily justified.
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What went wrong in that game last night was the play calling on both sides of the ball. Everyone knows going in against Dallas that Ware and Spencer are going to be moving around and they are going to bring the pressure. Lil' Shanny may have helped Rex and the Oline out by calling a few more screens and running right more.

On the defensive side of the ball, Hazlett got a little too comfortable with Dallas' WR's running around like lost puppies and should have not thrown the sink at them on that 3rd long. He could have played a soft zone on that play and just allowed the underneath stuff. Romo made a play by rolling away from the pressure. "Howeva!" D.Hall is not the cover corner that he says he is. C.Rogers is a better cover corner than he is. He can't catch a cold but he's a better cover guy than Hall.

Rex was Rex yesterday but you would hope that you don't see the mistakes you saw last night from him too often this season. They are not there yet to be able to cover his mistakes. Not saying that it's time for Beck yet but Rex just put himself on the clock last night.
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grampi wrote:PAPDOG67

There's a solution for slick fields...it's called longer cleets....


Um, you should not have to change to longer cleats on field turf.
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stacylee12 wrote:It's cathartic to read and post after something like that. Interesting the attention on Dhall as the goat for the 3rd and 21 give up but what got me hot was the missing Hightower in the 4th quarter.


Hightower made a good catch and run on the final drive. Just one, though. I like seeing Helu in the 4th because he runs so hard, and can be a closer but everyone else has to execute for him. And Kyle can't be thinking PA Pass after just one rush.
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