Those links provided historical information about the process, yet you said you disagree. I'm not sure what you can disagree with there.
But two things I got out of it was that the NFL did at first attempt to have multiple providers carry the Ticket, but DirecTV's bid for exclusivity won the day because it was so high. This tells me I was correct about an exclusive deal being better financially for the NFL. Ironically, most other providers are now carrying the RedZone channel, which is produced by DirecTV. The second point was what Kazoo has been repeatedly bringing up about ad revenue, but you keep ignoring.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
The NFL is all about money. Sunday Ticket is no different than Madden. The rights go to the highest bidder, regardless of what's best for the fan. You do NOT matter, end of story.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:The NFL is all about money. Sunday Ticket is no different than Madden. The rights go to the highest bidder, regardless of what's best for the fan. You do NOT matter, end of story.
They make money by ignoring their customers. That makes no sense.
Actually, they make the most money by getting their fans to pay the most, which you do by giving them the most of what they want. As a customer you can tell me whatever you want. What you care about is what you will pay for. By giving you that is how I make money.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
Deadskins wrote:Those links provided historical information about the process, yet you said you disagree. I'm not sure what you can disagree with there.
But two things I got out of it was that the NFL did at first attempt to have multiple providers carry the Ticket, but DirecTV's bid for exclusivity won the day because it was so high. This tells me I was correct about an exclusive deal being better financially for the NFL. Ironically, most other providers are now carrying the RedZone channel, which is produced by DirecTV. The second point was what Kazoo has been repeatedly bringing up about ad revenue, but you keep ignoring.
I'm not ignoring anything from Kazoo, I just think he's wrong.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:The NFL is all about money. Sunday Ticket is no different than Madden. The rights go to the highest bidder, regardless of what's best for the fan. You do NOT matter, end of story.
They make money by ignoring their customers. That makes no sense.
Actually, they make the most money by getting their fans to pay the most, which you do by giving them the most of what they want. As a customer you can tell me whatever you want. What you care about is what you will pay for. By giving you that is how I make money.
You just said what I've been saying all along. You generate the most money from fans by offering your product to as many fans as possible, not by offering it to only a few and charging them an outragous price. If this business model doesn't work, then why is Wal-Mart so succcessful?
Chris Luva Luva wrote:The NFL is all about money. Sunday Ticket is no different than Madden. The rights go to the highest bidder, regardless of what's best for the fan. You do NOT matter, end of story.
They make money by ignoring their customers. That makes no sense.
Actually, they make the most money by getting their fans to pay the most, which you do by giving them the most of what they want. As a customer you can tell me whatever you want. What you care about is what you will pay for. By giving you that is how I make money.
You just said what I've been saying all along. You generate the most money from fans by offering your product to as many fans as possible, not by offering it to only a few and charging them an outragous price. If this business model doesn't work, then why is Wal-Mart so succcessful?
Word games, that's not what I said. It's amazing the NFL takes in billions of revenue and you figured out that their model is completely broken and they don't know what they are doing. And it just happens to coincide with your desire to not pay market prices for the product you get.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
Chris Luva Luva wrote:The NFL is all about money. Sunday Ticket is no different than Madden. The rights go to the highest bidder, regardless of what's best for the fan. You do NOT matter, end of story.
They make money by ignoring their customers. That makes no sense.
Actually, they make the most money by getting their fans to pay the most, which you do by giving them the most of what they want. As a customer you can tell me whatever you want. What you care about is what you will pay for. By giving you that is how I make money.
You just said what I've been saying all along. You generate the most money from fans by offering your product to as many fans as possible, not by offering it to only a few and charging them an outragous price. If this business model doesn't work, then why is Wal-Mart so succcessful?
Word games, that's not what I said. It's amazing the NFL takes in billions of revenue and you figured out that their model is completely broken and they don't know what they are doing. And it just happens to coincide with your desire to not pay market prices for the product you get.
I wouldn't mind paying a FAIR market price, like what we'd see if the Ticket were available in a free market, but since DTV has a monolpoly on the Ticket, subscription rates are the bloated ones we currently have...
Chris Luva Luva wrote:The NFL is all about money. Sunday Ticket is no different than Madden. The rights go to the highest bidder, regardless of what's best for the fan. You do NOT matter, end of story.
They make money by ignoring their customers. That makes no sense.
Actually, they make the most money by getting their fans to pay the most, which you do by giving them the most of what they want. As a customer you can tell me whatever you want. What you care about is what you will pay for. By giving you that is how I make money.
You just said what I've been saying all along. You generate the most money from fans by offering your product to as many fans as possible, not by offering it to only a few and charging them an outragous price. If this business model doesn't work, then why is Wal-Mart so succcessful?
Word games, that's not what I said. It's amazing the NFL takes in billions of revenue and you figured out that their model is completely broken and they don't know what they are doing. And it just happens to coincide with your desire to not pay market prices for the product you get.
I wouldn't mind paying a FAIR market price, like what we'd see if the Ticket were available in a free market, but since DTV has a monolpoly on the Ticket, subscription rates are the bloated ones we currently have...
If you're willing to pay it, then it's fair. If you think it's unfair, don't pay it. It's as simple as that. Vote with your checkbook.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
Chris Luva Luva wrote:The NFL is all about money. Sunday Ticket is no different than Madden. The rights go to the highest bidder, regardless of what's best for the fan. You do NOT matter, end of story.
They make money by ignoring their customers. That makes no sense.
Actually, they make the most money by getting their fans to pay the most, which you do by giving them the most of what they want. As a customer you can tell me whatever you want. What you care about is what you will pay for. By giving you that is how I make money.
You just said what I've been saying all along. You generate the most money from fans by offering your product to as many fans as possible, not by offering it to only a few and charging them an outragous price. If this business model doesn't work, then why is Wal-Mart so succcessful?
Word games, that's not what I said. It's amazing the NFL takes in billions of revenue and you figured out that their model is completely broken and they don't know what they are doing. And it just happens to coincide with your desire to not pay market prices for the product you get.
I wouldn't mind paying a FAIR market price, like what we'd see if the Ticket were available in a free market, but since DTV has a monolpoly on the Ticket, subscription rates are the bloated ones we currently have...
If you're willing to pay it, then it's fair. If you think it's unfair, don't pay it. It's as simple as that. Vote with your checkbook.
True, but that doesn't change the fact that the Ticket is way overpriced because DTV has a monopoly on it. If it was available in a free market, it would cost less....
Deadskins wrote:It is a free market. You are free not to purchase it. If bunches of people dropped it because it was too expensive the price would come down.
It's also free because DirectTV purchased it by outbidding their competitors. I know you're in agreement on that, just adding to what you said.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
grampi wrote:I wouldn't mind paying a FAIR market price
Up is down, left is right...
The "market price" is by definition "fair." That is the price at which supply = demand. It is the profit maximization price, which means that customers are getting the most of what they want by voting in the only way that matters, with their wallets. If you don't understand what I just said, take an econ 101 course and it'll be crystal clear.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
Deadskins wrote:It is a free market. You are free not to purchase it. If bunches of people dropped it because it was too expensive the price would come down.
You apparently don't know the definition of free market. Free market is when a service or good can be sold by as many businesses that want to provide it, creating a competitive market for that good or service. The Ticket is available from ONLY one service provider, hence it exists in a monopoly, not a free market....just because the customer has the choice to buy, or not to buy doesn't make it a free market...
grampi wrote:I wouldn't mind paying a FAIR market price
Up is down, left is right...
The "market price" is by definition "fair." That is the price at which supply = demand. It is the profit maximization price, which means that customers are getting the most of what they want by voting in the only way that matters, with their wallets. If you don't understand what I just said, take an econ 101 course and it'll be crystal clear.
In this case, demand exceeds supply, which is why the price is outragous. If the Ticket were available to more customers, the price would go down...if you don't understand that, maybe YOU should take a basic economics course....
Deadskins wrote:It is a free market. You are free not to purchase it. If bunches of people dropped it because it was too expensive the price would come down.
You apparently don't know the definition of free market. Free market is when a service or good can be sold by as many businesses that want to provide it, creating a competitive market for that good or service. The Ticket is available from ONLY one service provider, hence it exists in a monopoly, not a free market....just because the customer has the choice to buy, or not to buy doesn't make it a free market...
You're too funny grampi. Anyone can sell start a football league and sell the games, but people can't sell the NFL without the NFL's consent. So in a free market, can I sell your house, your car, your TV or it's not a free market? That's what you just said.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
KazooSkinsFan wrote:The "market price" is by definition "fair." That is the price at which supply = demand. It is the profit maximization price, which means that customers are getting the most of what they want by voting in the only way that matters, with their wallets. If you don't understand what I just said, take an econ 101 course and it'll be crystal clear.
In this case, demand exceeds supply, which is why the price is outragous. If the Ticket were available to more customers, the price would go down...if you don't understand that, maybe YOU should take a basic economics course....
Demand is measured at the market price. What you said is gibberish. I've taken basic economics. And kept going. What you just said is not what you learn there.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
Deadskins wrote:It is a free market. You are free not to purchase it. If bunches of people dropped it because it was too expensive the price would come down.
You apparently don't know the definition of free market. Free market is when a service or good can be sold by as many businesses that want to provide it, creating a competitive market for that good or service. The Ticket is available from ONLY one service provider, hence it exists in a monopoly, not a free market....just because the customer has the choice to buy, or not to buy doesn't make it a free market...
You're too funny grampi. Anyone can sell start a football league and sell the games, but people can't sell the NFL without the NFL's consent. So in a free market, can I sell your house, your car, your TV or it's not a free market? That's what you just said.
You like spinning things, don't you? That isn't what I said at all, but you know that. You have to twist everything into absurd to make your case....
KazooSkinsFan wrote:The "market price" is by definition "fair." That is the price at which supply = demand. It is the profit maximization price, which means that customers are getting the most of what they want by voting in the only way that matters, with their wallets. If you don't understand what I just said, take an econ 101 course and it'll be crystal clear.
In this case, demand exceeds supply, which is why the price is outragous. If the Ticket were available to more customers, the price would go down...if you don't understand that, maybe YOU should take a basic economics course....
Demand is measured at the market price. What you said is gibberish. I've taken basic economics. And kept going. What you just said is not what you learn there.
I suppose next you're going to tell me that since demand for the Ticket is currently equal with supply, that if it were available through all the other service providers, NONE of their customers would want to order the Ticket?
Deadskins wrote:It is a free market. You are free not to purchase it. If bunches of people dropped it because it was too expensive the price would come down.
You apparently don't know the definition of free market. Free market is when a service or good can be sold by as many businesses that want to provide it, creating a competitive market for that good or service. The Ticket is available from ONLY one service provider, hence it exists in a monopoly, not a free market....just because the customer has the choice to buy, or not to buy doesn't make it a free market...
You're too funny grampi. Anyone can sell start a football league and sell the games, but people can't sell the NFL without the NFL's consent. So in a free market, can I sell your house, your car, your TV or it's not a free market? That's what you just said.
You like spinning things, don't you? That isn't what I said at all, but you know that. You have to twist everything into absurd to make your case....
It's exactly what you said
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
grampi wrote:I suppose next you're going to tell me that since demand for the Ticket is currently equal with supply, that if it were available through all the other service providers, NONE of their customers would want to order the Ticket?
Would Lamborghini sell more cars if I could buy them from more dealers and pay less for them then Lamborghini currently charges? Sure they would. But the relevance of that is zero. DirecTV bid the most. That is the market price. Everyone has the choice to buy the NFL at the market price from the NFL selected distributor, the one who bid the most in a free market. DirecTV. And it's a great deal...
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
I called DirecTv and said - "can you help me out? I'm not going to change or cancel." They took a look at my account and made me a good deal
Still costs a little over $350.00 for the whole package including the Super fan deal
Gotta love it
why try and rip off someone that is giving you what you need
then again - I value better value for my $
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Deadskins wrote:It is a free market. You are free not to purchase it. If bunches of people dropped it because it was too expensive the price would come down.
You apparently don't know the definition of free market. Free market is when a service or good can be sold by as many businesses that want to provide it, creating a competitive market for that good or service. The Ticket is available from ONLY one service provider, hence it exists in a monopoly, not a free market....just because the customer has the choice to buy, or not to buy doesn't make it a free market...
You're too funny grampi. Anyone can sell start a football league and sell the games, but people can't sell the NFL without the NFL's consent. So in a free market, can I sell your house, your car, your TV or it's not a free market? That's what you just said.
You like spinning things, don't you? That isn't what I said at all, but you know that. You have to twist everything into absurd to make your case....
It's exactly what you said
You apparently missed the sentence directly before the one you higlighted.....yes, only the NFL can authorize who sells the Ticket, but they aren't providing it to the customers. They only provide it to the middle man, which in this cae is DTV. Since the NFL has chosen that DTV will have the exclusive rights, the Ticket is therefore not available in a free market. It exists only in a monopoly, which means there is no competition for pricing. This also means they can keep jacking up the price as long as people keep subscribing...
They make money by ignoring their customers. That makes no sense.
