Should the Redskins cut Gano?

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Until he starts kicking better I will continue to call him "Guano." and if you don't know what that is, look it up.
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PAPDOG67 wrote:Until he starts kicking better I will continue to call him "Guano." and if you don't know what that is, look it up.
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Ok so look, there aren't many Janikowski's out there but come on man, you can't miss 10/11 field goals in a year. That's totally unacceptable when your offense has to play from behind in most situations. We just can't cut him yet but I'll be sending ShanAllen a list of some homeboys I know who play soccer for them to tryout.
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Changing holders couldn't possibly have anything to do with it...wait, it COULD!!!!
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VetSkinsFan wrote:Changing holders couldn't possibly have anything to do with it...wait, it COULD!!!!
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The holder is VERY inportant to these guys but the fact is the team needs to know that we can rely on him - Gano's missed too many FGs that he can easily make

We will have competition for the K position but I would venture to suggest that he's not close to being the favorite to hold onto his position
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TeeterSalad wrote:
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TeeterSalad wrote: I don't think Gano will ever be as good as Akers, no matter how many seasons he plays here. I just don't see any kicker that cannot consistenly make 20-35 yard feild goals sticking around. If we are trying to build a competetive team we need a kicker that can be depended on for those (what should be) "gimme" kicks.
Yeah its apparently very easy to find those guys.
Well theres at least 31 other kickers that played this season that did better than Gano from 20-39 yards out; that would be a good place to start looking. :wink:
You mean like Shawn Suisham? :)

I just think at some point we're going to have to stick with a young kicker through the growing pains and try to develop a kicker who can last a few years. It seems like there is pressure enough on these guys to make the kicks without worrying that they're going to lose their job if they don't make each one.

Shanahan showed some patience and commitment to Gano this season. Let's hope he uses that as motivation to work his butt off in the offseason and be at least the 24th best kicker in the league next year. hah.
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riggofan wrote:
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riggofan wrote: Yeah its apparently very easy to find those guys.
Well theres at least 31 other kickers that played this season that did better than Gano from 20-39 yards out; that would be a good place to start looking. :wink:
You mean like Shawn Suisham? :)

I just think at some point we're going to have to stick with a young kicker through the growing pains and try to develop a kicker who can last a few years. It seems like there is pressure enough on these guys to make the kicks without worrying that they're going to lose their job if they don't make each one.

Shanahan showed some patience and commitment to Gano this season. Let's hope he uses that as motivation to work his butt off in the offseason and be at least the 24th best kicker in the league next year. hah.
We went through the pretty much the same thing with Suisham last year, and he has made 93% of his kicks with Pittsburgh this year...Maybe our team has just been cursed with bad kicking.

Now I'm thinking maybe they should hold on to Gano for one more year; I'm glad it's not my decision though. :?
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He has a good leg? Well, that's obviously his problem.

If only he head TWO good legs - he could use one to stand on, and kick the ball with the other one. Unless he learns to do both at the same time, he won't be here for much longer. But I don't see any reason to just cut the guy - might as well take him into camp this year and see if somebody else beats him to the job. The way he kicked this year, I suspect Long John Silver might take the job.
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UK Skins Fan wrote:He has a good leg? Well, that's obviously his problem.

If only he head TWO good legs - he could use one to stand on, and kick the ball with the other one. Unless he learns to do both at the same time, he won't be here for much longer. But I don't see any reason to just cut the guy - might as well take him into camp this year and see if somebody else beats him to the job. The way he kicked this year, I suspect Long John Silver might take the job.
If he can't arrange two good legs, at least he could start kicking with his good one
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What am I talking about? "Head two good legs"?! Christ, English is supposed to be my first (and only) language!
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TeeterSalad wrote: We went through the pretty much the same thing with Suisham last year, and he has made 93% of his kicks with Pittsburgh this year...Maybe our team has just been cursed with bad kicking.

Now I'm thinking maybe they should hold on to Gano for one more year; I'm glad it's not my decision though. :?
93%?? Man that is crazy. And isn't Pittsburgh one of those especially hard places to kick because of the wind in the stadium or something?

I think there is really no point in cutting Gano now. He's got the next few months to work on things, hopefully learn from this year. If he shows up in July and isn't kicking more consistently then get rid of him and look elsewhere.
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UK Skins Fan wrote:What am I talking about? "Head two good legs"?! Christ, English is supposed to be my first (and only) language!
Perhaps, you should consider using the American version... :wink:
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I am not sure how anyone can make a sound argument to keep him. His record speaks for itself. He is not consistent and doesn't make the ones when it really counts.

The only real argument you can make is that he is young -- remember when the skins had the rights to Akers?? I hope we don't make that mistake again, but really I just don't see much to keep him around.

We should actively pursue a new kicker and make Gano compete in the pre-season -- which, if we find a half-decent kicker -- he'll most definetely lose out on.
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I would also be VERY surprised if someone does not beat Gano out of the job here - I do think he will be "behind" in any FG competition because of this season's effort

I also think that NO PLAYER or COACH should be be released from this franchise UNTIL we have someone that can do better - we have many needs :roll:
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UK Skins Fan wrote:What am I talking about? "Head two good legs"?! Christ, English is supposed to be my first (and only) language!
I like the John Cleese line on that. This is back with Slick Willy in the white house. He said, there are three differences between Brits and Americans. In Brittan,

- We speak English

- When we hold a world championship in sports we invite other countries

- When you meet the queen you only have to get down on one knee...
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^^^ that's a classic ROTFALMAO
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riggofan wrote:
TeeterSalad wrote: We went through the pretty much the same thing with Suisham last year, and he has made 93% of his kicks with Pittsburgh this year...Maybe our team has just been cursed with bad kicking.

Now I'm thinking maybe they should hold on to Gano for one more year; I'm glad it's not my decision though. :?
93%?? Man that is crazy. And isn't Pittsburgh one of those especially hard places to kick because of the wind in the stadium or something?

I think there is really no point in cutting Gano now. He's got the next few months to work on things, hopefully learn from this year. If he shows up in July and isn't kicking more consistently then get rid of him and look elsewhere.
..buuuuut, he doesn't kick anywhere near the amount that we did. I can't remember but I think towards the end of the season he was like 8 for 8 or something.
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langleyparkjoe wrote:
riggofan wrote:
TeeterSalad wrote: We went through the pretty much the same thing with Suisham last year, and he has made 93% of his kicks with Pittsburgh this year...Maybe our team has just been cursed with bad kicking.

Now I'm thinking maybe they should hold on to Gano for one more year; I'm glad it's not my decision though. :?
93%?? Man that is crazy. And isn't Pittsburgh one of those especially hard places to kick because of the wind in the stadium or something?

I think there is really no point in cutting Gano now. He's got the next few months to work on things, hopefully learn from this year. If he shows up in July and isn't kicking more consistently then get rid of him and look elsewhere.
..buuuuut, he doesn't kick anywhere near the amount that we did. I can't remember but I think towards the end of the season he was like 8 for 8 or something.
I looked up his stats, and you're right he didn't play the whole season. He played the last 7 games with the Steelers and went 14/15. He went 6/6 from inside the 40 and 8/9 at 40+. That's way better than he ever did here... #-o
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markshark84 wrote:I am not sure how anyone can make a sound argument to keep him.
I'll try. The Redskins ask Gano to drop his kickoffs inside the 5 with good hangtime. This forces the returner to make some tough (and ocassionally bad) decisions. It also gives us a chance for some big hits/fumbles. His average kick lands at the 4 with an average return of 19 yards. That puts other teams at the 23 on average. Gano ranks number 1 in the league in this regard among outdoor kickers.
The only real argument you can make is that he is young --
I submit the above along with the fact that his leg is not only good - it's huge. One more thing. He is a very good punter. He did both in college (43.34 yards per punt in last year).
remember when the skins had the rights to Akers??
Darn right! I started a thread on this a few weeks ago.
DarthMonk wrote:12 years ago we signed a guy with a HUGE leg. He played one game for us. He made 2 PATs and missed 2 FGs - both from over 50 yards. We waived him. The Eagles picked him up. He's been to 4 Pro Bowls, made the All-Decade team, and now holds the NFL record for most points in a decade (1,114). His name is David Akers.

I say all this because we now have a guy with a HUGE leg (yeah, I know he just left a 47 yarder short). He has missed a few but I do not want to lose him.

Here is something I've noticed. Gano makes his move for the ball AS IT IS SNAPPED. Therefore, everything has to be perfect. I notice the ball is STILL SPINNING in Hunter-the-Punter-the-holder's hand as Gano's foot is striking it. This is a recipe for misses. Chip Low-driller aka Chip Pole-killer did the same thing. The only time he was REAL good was when we had the best holder in history.

Watch Akers. He waits half a beat before starting his approach. Does anyone have a hotline to our special teams coach? I'm convinced Gano has an all-pro leg and a strong mind. He needs to wait half a beat and hit it like a wedge from 55 yards in.
I hope we don't make that mistake again,
Same here!
but really I just don't see much to keep him around.
I do. His upside is huge. To simply let him go at this stage would be silly. Let's give him time to develop while we fix all our other problems.
We should actively pursue a new kicker and make Gano compete in the pre-season
Agreed.
-- which, if we find a half-decent kicker -- he'll most definetely lose out on.
I hope we make a competitor be more than "half decent." It's way to soon to cut ties with someone with this much talent.

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I've been persuaded by your argument since you first posted about it, Darth, and hope that we keep him.

Yes, he had a terrible FG kicking year. And that missed XP after a last-second comeback is the perfect picture of Gano's first season with us.

But . . .

His leg warrants at least another offseason and preseason. Maybe he can shake the boogey men off that are scaring him in clutch situations. I must say it was awesome watching kickoffs this year. And when it came time for a 45 yarder, you knew that leg wouldn't be the problem.
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frankcal20 wrote:Either way, can't always throw away young talent.
Oh, is he "talent?" I will say his kickoffs have been good, but is he angling for the corners on purpose, or is that just the same issue as with his FGs?
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