I'm glad that Grossman played well, Mike & Bruce might be able to feel as though this guy can be a decent back-up here - we'll see more evidence over the next 2 games
I'm going to wait and see how the McNabb thing unfolds a little more before I find that it's a huge mistake from which we might never recover as a franchise unless we get rid of Haslett, Bruce Allen and both Shanahans for crippling this franchise
McNabb might have been a mistake but we really don't need to get our panties all bunched up over it - this FO needs to have more time - maybe they continue to make mistakes but I'm more interested in seeing how they handle both the mistakes they've made AND the progress they've made - we are in for an interesting 6 months
I think these guys are up for the challenges ahead - hopefully Snyder leaves them alone
I still think that these guys give us the best chance for success going forward than having another change of coaching and FO people
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Before you all get into a love feast with Grossman, what you saw yesterday was typical Grossman. Do great until it is crunch time, then choke. That last interception was pure Grossman history. He did it in Chicago so oftent that they got rid of him.
I think most here are very aware of what Grossman "offers"
we give credit where it is due - the guy had a good day - we haven't seen anyone play the QB position in B&G that well for a while
we might decide to keep him a little longer but he's going to have to show the FO that he's still worth whatever they think to be a back-up QB here
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
how great would it be if Grossman plays really well here in these next 2 games and some team wants to make us an offer for him
this guy's a decent back-up but he could be worth something if he can continue to .... nah! not happening is it
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
aswas71788 wrote:Before you all get into a love feast with Grossman, what you saw yesterday was typical Grossman. Do great until it is crunch time, then choke. That last interception was pure Grossman history. He did it in Chicago so oftent that they got rid of him.
Are you kidding me? Where is he supposed to go with the ball? They are defending the sidelines and our only chance was to complete something down field and near the sidelines. Where is he supposed to fit that ball into?
Don't critique things you do not understand. He made plenty of mistakes to berate, but that was not a winnable situation for Grossman.
Do people really think that Rex played that good of a game???
Sure his stats were decent, but he basically lost us that game. His 2 TOs (1 INT and 1 fumble) resulted in 14 points. He also threw an INT to end the game on our final drive. It's great that he threw for 4 TD (2 of which were glorified runs), but I am not sure I would be too quick to say that he had a "great" game.
Honestly, I was impressed with his performance -- after all, I had ZERO expectations -- but I don't think that he should be any sort of long term solution or even should replace DMc.
I must say that he can throw the short passes much better than DMc, but he doesn't have the arm strength I like to see in a QB. If he had that arm strength, I actually think that he could be a decent QB. I personally think that if he had adequate arm strength, he wouldn't have thrown that first INT -- the ball would have gone out of bounds.
I also think that it is customary for WRs, TEs, and OL to praise the QB. Especially because the QB is going to be the one distributing the ball to them -- they want to make sure that they are on the QB's good side.
markshark84 wrote:Do people really think that Rex played that good of a game???
Sure his stats were decent, but he basically lost us that game
The OL lost that game giving up the endless sacks in crunch time. And your characterization of how people think he played is WAY overstated. Most people said he played well and are happy to have him as a backup. I haven't seen anyone say QB problems solved. And it's his first game in two years, he did play a decent game. I'd now be proud to have him as my backup.
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markshark84 wrote:Do people really think that Rex played that good of a game???
Sure his stats were decent, but he basically lost us that game
The OL lost that game giving up the endless sacks in crunch time. And your characterization of how people think he played is WAY overstated. Most people said he played well and are happy to have him as a backup. I haven't seen anyone say QB problems solved. And it's his first game in two years, he did play a decent game. I'd now be proud to have him as my backup.
We can agree to disagree about who lost us the game. After all, Rex wasn't sacked on the last drive of the game (however, I must say that the second to last drive was horrendous from an OL perspective). Regardless, Rex had 3 costly TOs that game. Those 2 sacks only lost us one possession, while the 3 TOs lost us, well, 3. But, you have always found fault first in the OL and I have on a QB, so I can see how we see this differently.
But, I really didn't have time to read the full thread, so I can see what you are saying and I do agree that he has shown to be a good backup. And while I understand that first game in 2 years thing, I still don't consider that an excuse for 3 TOs, but I do believe that he adjusted very well in the second half and would like to see him play again next week.
I've been as hypercritical of Rex Grossman as anyone but the man went from "There is no way in hell Grossman gives us the best chance to win" to "He is giving us a chance to win" in the span of four quarters in Dallas. How unreasonable should we be when Rex clearly and convincingly exceeded our expectations?
markshark84 wrote:We can agree to disagree about who lost us the game. After all, Rex wasn't sacked on the last drive of the game (however, I must say that the second to last drive was horrendous from an OL perspective)
The second to last drive we had the ball and a tie game and we'd been driving down the field, so it definitely was our chance to win. The last drive started on our twenty with 30 seconds left and no timeouts, so it was a huge longshot and they didn't rush anyone, they were trying to run out the clock.
markshark84 wrote:But, you have always found fault first in the OL and I have on a QB, so I can see how we see this differently
The QB/OL isn't apples to apples in this case because the OL is upstream in the process. If the OL doesn't do their job, then the QB has zero chance as Grossman did on the key drive. It wasn't just that one, the OL struggled late in the game. It's just when we actually had a chance to take the lead they completely collapsed. It doesn't mean the QB played well in that case, it means they were untested. When the D comes right through, play over.
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riggofan wrote:That has to give the players a little confidence in their coach, don't you think?
No. No win for Shany. If Grossman is better than McNabb we shouldn't have traded for McNabb in the first place. Also, it's still pretty obvious Shany has shattered our defense. We gave up 400 yards to a bad team that was using a reserve quarterback of no distinction. Our front three makes about two tackles a game each and routinely fails to keep blockers off linebackers, two of whom should be playing other positions.
aswas71788 wrote:Before you all get into a love feast with Grossman, what you saw yesterday was typical Grossman. Do great until it is crunch time, then choke. That last interception was pure Grossman history. He did it in Chicago so oftent that they got rid of him.
Are you kidding me? Where is he supposed to go with the ball? They are defending the sidelines and our only chance was to complete something down field and near the sidelines. Where is he supposed to fit that ball into?
Don't critique things you do not understand. He made plenty of mistakes to berate, but that was not a winnable situation for Grossman.
I understand far more than you think. If you are on the Grossman ship, you are on the Titanic.
markshark84 wrote:Do people really think that Rex played that good of a game???
Sure his stats were decent, but he basically lost us that game. His 2 TOs (1 INT and 1 fumble) resulted in 14 points. He also threw an INT to end the game on our final drive. It's great that he threw for 4 TD (2 of which were glorified runs), but I am not sure I would be too quick to say that he had a "great" game.
Honestly, I was impressed with his performance -- after all, I had ZERO expectations -- but I don't think that he should be any sort of long term solution or even should replace DMc.
I must say that he can throw the short passes much better than DMc, but he doesn't have the arm strength I like to see in a QB. If he had that arm strength, I actually think that he could be a decent QB. I personally think that if he had adequate arm strength, he wouldn't have thrown that first INT -- the ball would have gone out of bounds.
I also think that it is customary for WRs, TEs, and OL to praise the QB. Especially because the QB is going to be the one distributing the ball to them -- they want to make sure that they are on the QB's good side.
Grossman did play a good game. I saw some passes made by him that I saw Mcnabb miss. We should give him credit for that, except for the last pass.
aswas71788 wrote:Before you all get into a love feast with Grossman, what you saw yesterday was typical Grossman. Do great until it is crunch time, then choke. That last interception was pure Grossman history. He did it in Chicago so oftent that they got rid of him.
Are you kidding me? Where is he supposed to go with the ball? They are defending the sidelines and our only chance was to complete something down field and near the sidelines. Where is he supposed to fit that ball into?
Don't critique things you do not understand. He made plenty of mistakes to berate, but that was not a winnable situation for Grossman.
Yeah, I blame that interception on Kyle. It was Hail Mary at that point or a short out which they were giving to get closer to Hail Mary Striking distance. No way Dallas was giving up that deep sideline.
TCIYM wrote:Grossman is a career backup and a known screw-up
He started in Chicago and led them to a SB.
You think Grossman led them and I think the Defense did. The stats are on my side...
Plenty of games Grossman won that year, not the D, especially towards the beginning of that season. Stats are only ever part of the story.
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ATX_Skins wrote: ... Giving Rex any credit could possibly sway others on this board into thinking he can get the job done. We all know he cannot.
au contraire - I think Grossman's play at QB showed he's possibly a bit better back-up QB than some here thought
we'll get to see just how good a back-up he might be over the next 2 games
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
