I hate myself for loving these guys

[Skinsfan55]

I hate my love for this awful word team.
It really gets old

I feel your pain. I was born and raised in Maine. When I was a kid (and even today) the Boston Red Sox were my first love but when fall would come, and I gravitated to dad's Redskins. He was born and raised in Maine too, but Larry Brown was the coolest guy in the NFL when he was a kid, and he chose the Skins over the local Patriots (who never had a real rabid fan base.)

At least he got to be a Skins fan during the glory days of George Allen and Joe Gibbs. At least he got to see 5 Super Bowl appearances... I really became a fan of football when Heath Shuler came into the league. My Redskins experiences are with Westbrook, Shuler, Spurrier, Snyder, Cerrato, George, Candidate, Gardner, Gibbs II (probably the worst coach in recent years because he killed the future for two early playoff exits) and others.

I could have been born a Patriots fan and seen a franchise QB in a world class organization, I moved to PA when I was a kid, I could have been a Steelers fan and watched them win two Super Bowls with a star QB (of questionable moral character of course) and then I moved to Colorado in 2001... I could have jumped ship to the Broncos who pretty quickly went to the playoffs three straight times...

But no.

I literally feel nothing for any other team. When the Broncos/Patriots win or lose, I couldn't care less. I am forever bound to the Redskins. I just don't have an attachment to any other team. I'm doomed to follow this terrible team forever.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

I feel ya man... 1/4 century of life = to young to enjoy the glory days and old enough tp feel nothing but let down. We are never wicked good or piss poor... They build us up give us hope just to burn it down and give me another ulcer/ hangover. Thanks for nothing damnedSkins.

Yes ill be positive and back mcdamnit and shanny in maybe five days. For now f football on to basketball... Or soccer. 1-6 cow pukes. Can't even get excited cuz I'm so pist we can't close a damn game w 3 mins left. F mcnabb F our O and F our fourth down D. In no particular order

[ATX_Skins]

I just don't care that much anymore.

This is a crappy team with a rich fan base. Don't expect to be good for a long time.

[Redskins_Fanatic]

I totally agree. If I had back all the time and money I've wasted on this team in the last 19 years (been a fan for closer to 30 years) I would be much better off.

It's gotten to a point where I've been told I can no longer watch games in my apartment because the screaming pisses off my roommates. I have to go down to the bar to watch the games, and I've come close to getting thrown out of there a couple times already this season.

It would almost be easier if I didn't care. Easier to take the absolute incompetence and complete disasters that this team continues to pile upon us.

I thought the Shannahan Era might be different, but obviously it's not going to be.

Here's hoping there's no NFL season next year, if this is how we're going to play.

[grampi]

I think what makes me sick is the fact this team has become one with a reputation for losing. This once proud team, with a tradition of winning and pride, has become a team that's looked at like the Cardinals and Saints used to be looked at....nothing but a bunch of losers. I'm afraid nothing will ever get better for the Skins until the common denominator with all this losing goes away....Danny Boy....

[markshark84]

I think what makes me sick is the fact this team has become one with a reputation for losing. This once proud team, with a tradition of winning and pride, has become a team that's looked at like the Cardinals and Saints used to be looked at....nothing but a bunch of losers. I'm afraid nothing will ever get better for the Skins until the common denominator with all this losing goes away....Danny Boy....

Totally agree. That is the issue I have with this organization. We are now perceived by everyone as losers. Go to a bar outside DC with your jersey on and see what people say. I do it every week and don't hear the end of it.

It is just embarassing. Fans outside DC look at this organization as a joke.

[grampi]

Look at how the Skins are covered by the media. I listen to a lot of ESPN talk radio on XM radio and it's always the same. They'll spend segement after segment talking about what's wrong with the Cowboys, disecting the team in every way possble, but the Skins blow a 17 point 4th qtr lead and lose to Houston and there's nothing more than a passing mention. That tells me the media sees the Redskins as a team they expect to lose, and Dallas is always expected to have a good team and win. I still remember a time when the Skins were considered one of the NFL's elite teams...not any more....

[Redskins_Fanatic]

I think what makes me sick is the fact this team has become one with a reputation for losing. This once proud team, with a tradition of winning and pride, has become a team that's looked at like the Cardinals and Saints used to be looked at....nothing but a bunch of losers. I'm afraid nothing will ever get better for the Skins until the common denominator with all this losing goes away....Danny Boy....

No. You want this to go away, I'll tell you what needs to be done.....

We need the OLD Danny to show up this offseason. The one who understood what was GOOD about the old NFL (pre-1994) and bad about the new NFL (1994-present). He needs to get together with Al Davis, Jerry Jones, the SF owners, and a couple of the others and make sure the new CBA doesn't include the Salary Cap, Revenue Sharing, etc.... that have destroyed not only this franchise but the entire NFL in the last decade and a half.

[grampi]

I think what makes me sick is the fact this team has become one with a reputation for losing. This once proud team, with a tradition of winning and pride, has become a team that's looked at like the Cardinals and Saints used to be looked at....nothing but a bunch of losers. I'm afraid nothing will ever get better for the Skins until the common denominator with all this losing goes away....Danny Boy....

No. You want this to go away, I'll tell you what needs to be done.....

We need the OLD Danny to show up this offseason. The one who understood what was GOOD about the old NFL (pre-1994) and bad about the new NFL (1994-present). He needs to get together with Al Davis, Jerry Jones, the SF owners, and a couple of the others and make sure the new CBA doesn't include the Salary Cap, Revenue Sharing, etc.... that have destroyed not only this franchise but the entire NFL in the last decade and a half.

That would help....and so it would also help if Danny Boy would keep his nose out of the football decisions (of which he clearly knows little), and keep it focussed on the financial portion of the team where it belongs.

[Skinsfan55]

Should the Redskins just do something totally drastic? Should they finally change their racist name and re-invent the franchise altogether.

The Washington Senators perhaps?

[1niksder]

I think what makes me sick is the fact this team has become one with a reputation for losing. This once proud team, with a tradition of winning and pride, has become a team that's looked at like the Cardinals and Saints used to be looked at....nothing but a bunch of losers. I'm afraid nothing will ever get better for the Skins until the common denominator with all this losing goes away....Danny Boy....

I hear what you're saying but I'm pretty sure they won't be thought of as losers if they would just stop losing

[Redskins_Fanatic]

That would help....and so it would also help if Danny Boy would keep his nose out of the football decisions (of which he clearly knows little), and keep it focussed on the financial portion of the team where it belongs.

I disagree. While he shouldn't be involved in the day-to-day operations, after a game like this one (and all of them this year), the GM and HC ought to be spending some very uncomfortable time in front of Mr. Snyder's desk tomorrow morning answering some very tough questions if they want to retain their positions with this team.

[Kilmer72]

That would help....and so it would also help if Danny Boy would keep his nose out of the football decisions (of which he clearly knows little), and keep it focussed on the financial portion of the team where it belongs.

I disagree. While he shouldn't be involved in the day-to-day operations, after a game like this one (and all of them this year), the GM and HC ought to be spending some very uncomfortable time in front of Mr. Snyder's desk tomorrow morning answering some very tough questions if they want to retain their positions with this team.

That is what has happen in the past. Give them time. When I say give them time I mean 3 years minimum. I think Marty could have built us a team but he only got one year. Look what he did for KC or the Chargers. The guy was a winner just not a SB winner. I have no idea if MS is the answer but I like getting his son here. I think he has worked wonders. Look how our receivers are getting open even if our QB isn't on target they are getting open.

At worst we are looking at losing again which isn't new.

[1niksder]

That would help....and so it would also help if Danny Boy would keep his nose out of the football decisions (of which he clearly knows little), and keep it focussed on the financial portion of the team where it belongs.

I disagree. While he shouldn't be involved in the day-to-day operations, after a game like this one (and all of them this year), the GM and HC ought to be spending some very uncomfortable time in front of Mr. Snyder's desk tomorrow morning answering some very tough questions if they want to retain their positions with this team.

It's the half way point in their first season on the job. The Redskins are 4-4 coming off a 4-12 season, they would be 5-3 if they had a QB that knew better than throw into double coverage while babysitting a lead late in the fourth quarter. I know he was knocked around a lot but come on.

[Redskins_Fanatic]

That is what has happen in the past. Give them time. When I say give them time I mean 3 years minimum. I think Marty could have built us a team but he only got one year. Look what he did for KC or the Chargers. The guy was a winner just not a SB winner. I have no idea if MS is the answer but I like getting his son here. I think he has worked wonders. Look how our receivers are getting open even if our QB isn't on target they are getting open.

At worst we are looking at losing again which isn't new.

Then Shannahan should have come out at the beginning of the season and said.... "We don't have the talent or cohesion to win now." If he'd done that I would give him a pass. He didn't, so I expect that he feels they're ready to WIN.

I would spit in Kyle Shannahan's face if I met him on the street. He's one of the biggest MISTAKES this team has made coaching-wise in a long time; and that's saying something.

[Redskins_Fanatic]

It's the half way point in their first season on the job. The Redskins are 4-4 coming off a 4-12 season, they would be 5-3 if they had a QB that knew better than throw into double coverage while babysitting a lead late in the fourth quarter. I know he was knocked around a lot but come on.

They would probably be 6-2 or 7-1 if the coaching staff didn't have its head up its butt every week. Jim Haslett especially. If I see another DB playing 7-8 yards off a WR on our own 20 yard line again I'm liable to explode. Get these guys up there and bump the receivers. Do NOT allow them a free 5-10 yards right from the LOS. Kyle Shannahan's gameplans have been awful all season long.

This team could be 6-2 or 2-6. That pisses me off. I'd rather have blowouts, one way or the other. Then at least I wouldn't be wasting 3 hours of my time every week on losing efforts.

[1niksder]

They would probably be 6-2 or 7-1 if the coaching staff didn't have its head up its butt every week. Jim Haslett especially. If I see another DB playing 7-8 yards off a WR on our own 20 yard line again I'm liable to explode. Get these guys up there and bump the receivers. Do NOT allow them a free 5-10 yards right from the LOS. Kyle Shannahan's gameplans have been awful all season long.

It's what they've done the last five years with the secondary, ever thought it might be the personnel on the field and not the guys coaching them. They are the only reason we aren't 2-6.

Thinking.... thinking.... thinking.... OK you got me me on the Kyle Shanahan one.



This team could be 6-2 or 2-6. That pisses me off. I'd rather have blowouts, one way or the other. Then at least I wouldn't be wasting 3 hours of my time every week on losing efforts.[/quote]

[Redskins_Fanatic]

It's what they've done the last five years with the secondary, ever thought it might be the personnel on the field and not the guys coaching them. They are the only reason we aren't 2-6.

I'm sorry but I have never been and never will be a fan of zone coverage. I prefer tight man-to-man coverage and use the safeties to help out on mismatches. If the CB can't cover, maybe he doesn't deserve to be drawing a paycheck from an NFL team.

If these players can't cut it GET RID OF THEM. This season there is no salary cap. We can cut anyone we want at any time. Maybe a little fear of losing their livelyhood will get some of these guys to play a little better.

[Skinsfan55]

It's what they've done the last five years with the secondary, ever thought it might be the personnel on the field and not the guys coaching them. They are the only reason we aren't 2-6.

I'm sorry but I have never been and never will be a fan of zone coverage. I prefer tight man-to-man coverage and use the safeties to help out on mismatches. If the CB can't cover, maybe he doesn't deserve to be drawing a paycheck from an NFL team.

If these players can't cut it GET RID OF THEM. This season there is no salary cap. We can cut anyone we want at any time. Maybe a little fear of losing their livelyhood will get some of these guys to play a little better.

This isn't college, you don't motivate grown men by threatening to take away their scholarship.

[Redskins_Fanatic]

This isn't college, you don't motivate grown men by threatening to take away their scholarship.

I don't know about that. How many of these guys can go out and make the NFL minimum salary with their college "educations" unless they're on a football field? I know that would definitely motivate ME if I were told I might be going from having my last name on the back of my shirt at work to having my first name on the front of it.

[1niksder]

This isn't college, you don't motivate grown men by threatening to take away their scholarship.

I don't know about that. How many of these guys can go out and make the NFL minimum salary with their college "educations" unless they're on a football field? I know that would definitely motivate ME if I were told I might be going from having my last name on the back of my shirt at work to having my first name on the front of it.

It's so many minor pro leagues popping up that's not a real threats for these guys.

[Irn-Bru]

This isn't college, you don't motivate grown men by threatening to take away their scholarship.

I don't know about that. How many of these guys can go out and make the NFL minimum salary with their college "educations" unless they're on a football field? I know that would definitely motivate ME if I were told I might be going from having my last name on the back of my shirt at work to having my first name on the front of it.

That kind of radical action would just undermine and eventually eliminate whatever locker room cohesion we currently have. Winning teams aren't made by making all of their players quake in their boots over the next round of cuts. You have to do something positive and build on it, not straddle the razor-thin edge of failure and total meltdown. Total failure of sports psychology. ("The beatings will continue until morale improves.")

[Irn-Bru]

I really don't see what all of this drama is about. I don't hate myself for loving the Redskins. But I guess the satisfaction I look for in being a fan might be different from what a lot of other people look for. Oh well.

[Redskins_Fanatic]

That kind of radical action would just undermine and eventually eliminate whatever locker room cohesion we currently have. Winning teams aren't made by making all of their players quake in their boots over the next round of cuts. You have to do something positive and build on it, not straddle the razor-thin edge of failure and total meltdown. Total failure of sports psychology. ("The beatings will continue until morale improves.")

Personally, I think that chemistry is highly over-rated in sports teams. I know that it always was on the teams I was associated with as a child and through high school. Obviously this is a different level, but I've seen teams where guys hated each other but a coach kept them together enough to get to a state championship game and other teams where they loved each other and couldn't have beaten the Sisters of the Poor.

Talent and coaching are most of what takes a team to the top in my mind. This team has nowhere near enough of either right now so far as I'm concerned. With the spectre of a new (and possibly even more draconian) salary cap coming after the CBA, I'm not sure the talent level will be able to increase significantly any time soon. Nor am I confident that the current coaching staff could lead a colony of lemmings off a cliff with any efficiency.

[Kilmer72]

That is what has happen in the past. Give them time. When I say give them time I mean 3 years minimum. I think Marty could have built us a team but he only got one year. Look what he did for KC or the Chargers. The guy was a winner just not a SB winner. I have no idea if MS is the answer but I like getting his son here. I think he has worked wonders. Look how our receivers are getting open even if our QB isn't on target they are getting open.

At worst we are looking at losing again which isn't new.

Then Shannahan should have come out at the beginning of the season and said.... "We don't have the talent or cohesion to win now." If he'd done that I would give him a pass. He didn't, so I expect that he feels they're ready to WIN.

I would spit in Kyle Shannahan's face if I met him on the street. He's one of the biggest MISTAKES this team has made coaching-wise in a long time; and that's saying something.

Actually MS did. He said something like this can't be done over night. Maybe not those exact words but he did say something to that extent. You do not have to like Kyle that is ok. I don't blame you I just see people getting open and for what it is worth I see him dealing with way harder competition compared to years past.

If he said "We don't have the talent or cohesion to win now." then we can't grow as a team. Instead he was saying don't expect too much this year without really saying it.

Let me put it this way. If your boss said we can't get this done how hard are you going to work?