Iggles are "laughing" now.....

[SkinsJock]

This is really easy for me because I think we are so lucky to have a QB that is as good as McNabb - after what we have seen here and when you consider what was available - we are lucky

McNabb is not a really good QB but he's a huge upgrade for this franchse over what we have had and especially what was available when we made the trade - AGAIN - we are lucky to get him

McNabb is a leader and this team badly needs a great QB - McNabb will be here to help that QB become our next great QB - we are lucky to have a leader like McNabb here to bring that guy along

ALSO we are VERY lucky to not have a lot of other QBs that were available AND that were here - NONE of them could have provided ANY help with our new QB whoever he is

so ..... we are lucky


McNabb aint the greatest, but, just like our last QB - he's the best option available


man, are we lucky, or what?

[SKINFAN]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4411 ... ust#page/1


yup, they are laughing really really hard.

[tribeofjudah]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/441197-busted-5-reasons-why-kevin-kolb-will-be-a-bust#page/1


yup, they are laughing really really hard.

NICE..........

[yupchagee]

This is really easy for me because I think we are so lucky to have a QB that is as good as McNabb - after what we have seen here and when you consider what was available - we are lucky

McNabb is not a really good QB but he's a huge upgrade for this franchse over what we have had and especially what was available when we made the trade - AGAIN - we are lucky to get him

McNabb is a leader and this team badly needs a great QB - McNabb will be here to help that QB become our next great QB - we are lucky to have a leader like McNabb here to bring that guy along

ALSO we are VERY lucky to not have a lot of other QBs that were available AND that were here - NONE of them could have provided ANY help with our new QB whoever he is

so ..... we are lucky


McNabb aint the greatest, but, just like our last QB - he's the best option available


man, are we lucky, or what?

But he's a leader & a winner. 2 JC has not been & probably never will be.

I haven't seen Philthy play this year, but Kolb's stats have been underwhelming.

[chiefhog44]

McNabb looked horrible over a short stretch against the Ravens, but his stats would have been fine were it not for so many dropped balls and the final score would have been respectable. Still, his missing Arnstrong for that easy seven was a crippling blow. If Campbell had done the same thing, we'd still be hollering for his head.

Only because JC does not have the track record DM has.

And that the pass was actually completed. JC would have thrown it out of bounds.

[CanesSkins26]

He's played 3-4 quarters and he's already out a game. I don't feel very lucky.

Yeah but do we really believe McNabb is so badly injured he can't play this weekend or did he tweak his ankle and it would be stupid to play him in a preaseason game this weekend?

I'm going with the latter.

Shanahan has said that is the Jets game were a regular season game McNabb would not be playing. He also said that McNabb's chances of playing against Arizona are "slim".

[SkinsJock]

I think we are so lucky to have a QB that is as good as McNabb

McNabb is not a really good QB but he's a huge upgrade for this franchse over what we have had

McNabb is a leader

But he's a leader & a winner. 2 JC has not been & probably never will be.

I haven't seen Philthy play this year, but Kolb's stats have been underwhelming.

naughty, naughty, you've been reading my posts again

I am so in favor of McNabb being here for a lot of reasons

I don't expect him to be really great BUT he's a leader and he will give us a chance to be a lot more successful offensively than any QB here in the last 10 years

he will also be a really good mentor for whomever comes here in the very near future to be our next QB

this was a huge mistake by the Eagles IMO

we had nobody capable of running ANY offense and no prospects of getting anyone - HUGE mistake

[ATX_Skins]

He's played 3-4 quarters and he's already out a game. I don't feel very lucky.

Yeah but do we really believe McNabb is so badly injured he can't play this weekend or did he tweak his ankle and it would be stupid to play him in a preaseason game this weekend?

I'm going with the latter.

That's not the point. The point is that after what is a game's worth of play, he's already dinged up. As for what 'we' believe, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that he's not playing this week. I don't go off of assumptions and guesses; I like to go off of concrete. And you can ASS|U|ME all you want, but it ain't me, buddy.

Vet - it's not just a games worth of play. Training camp is non stop. I dont have a problem with him sitting, in fact I like the idea that we are being very cautious of complicating injuries further. So far this year we have managed to not get as dinged up as the last few years so I am confident in the fact this is a precaution.

As for Sexy, let's see how he does with the first team.

[Wahoo McDaniels]

I think we are so lucky to have a QB that is as good as McNabb

McNabb is not a really good QB but he's a huge upgrade for this franchse over what we have had

McNabb is a leader

But he's a leader & a winner. 2 JC has not been & probably never will be.

I haven't seen Philthy play this year, but Kolb's stats have been underwhelming.

naughty, naughty, you've been reading my posts again

I am so in favor of McNabb being here for a lot of reasons

I don't expect him to be really great BUT he's a leader and he will give us a chance to be a lot more successful offensively than any QB here in the last 10 years

he will also be a really good mentor for whomever comes here in the very near future to be our next QB

this was a huge mistake by the Eagles IMO

we had nobody capable of running ANY offense and no prospects of getting anyone - HUGE mistake

The Eagles won despite Donny McNabb, not because of him. I could pass for 4000 yds if you gave me Westbrook in his prime and a gameplan full of 4 yd hitch passes. He throws two passes well: the hitch pass and the bomb, everything else is a crapshoot. I just don't know how anybody could think this is an upgrade.

[SkinsJock]

The Eagles won despite Donny McNabb, not because of him. I could pass for 4000 yds if you gave me Westbrook in his prime and a gameplan full of 4 yd hitch passes. He throws two passes well: the hitch pass and the bomb, everything else is a crapshoot. I just don't know how anybody could think this is an upgrade.

OK - please tell us which QB that was available OR here that you think would be a better fit for what is happening here with the players and coaches we have both for the short term and long term time frame?

[ATX_Skins]

I think we are so lucky to have a QB that is as good as McNabb

McNabb is not a really good QB but he's a huge upgrade for this franchse over what we have had

McNabb is a leader

But he's a leader & a winner. 2 JC has not been & probably never will be.

I haven't seen Philthy play this year, but Kolb's stats have been underwhelming.

naughty, naughty, you've been reading my posts again

I am so in favor of McNabb being here for a lot of reasons

I don't expect him to be really great BUT he's a leader and he will give us a chance to be a lot more successful offensively than any QB here in the last 10 years

he will also be a really good mentor for whomever comes here in the very near future to be our next QB

this was a huge mistake by the Eagles IMO

we had nobody capable of running ANY offense and no prospects of getting anyone - HUGE mistake

The Eagles won despite Donny McNabb, not because of him. I could pass for 4000 yds if you gave me Westbrook in his prime and a gameplan full of 4 yd hitch passes. He throws two passes well: the hitch pass and the bomb, everything else is a crapshoot. I just don't know how anybody could think this is an upgrade.

Leadership, awareness, ability, desire.... Just to name a few reasons Donovan is an upgrade. I can go into further detail if you would like.

[Countertrey]

Never mind that McNabb never had a decent receiver until the last 2 years...

Never mind that Andy Reid has never built a running game... The purpose of a running back, in his mind, is to make 3rd down plays an every down option...

Never mind the leadership issues ATX so clearly notes.

[Deadskins]

I just don't know how anybody could think this is an upgrade.

Over JC? Really? You can't see how people would think DM is an upgrade?

[VetSkinsFan]

He's played 3-4 quarters and he's already out a game. I don't feel very lucky.

Yeah but do we really believe McNabb is so badly injured he can't play this weekend or did he tweak his ankle and it would be stupid to play him in a preaseason game this weekend?

I'm going with the latter.

That's not the point. The point is that after what is a game's worth of play, he's already dinged up. As for what 'we' believe, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that he's not playing this week. I don't go off of assumptions and guesses; I like to go off of concrete. And you can ASS|U|ME all you want, but it ain't me, buddy.

Vet - it's not just a games worth of play. Training camp is non stop. I dont have a problem with him sitting, in fact I like the idea that we are being very cautious of complicating injuries further. So far this year we have managed to not get as dinged up as the last few years so I am confident in the fact this is a precaution.

As for Sexy, let's see how he does with the first team.

As we've seen, there's still a lot of learning for him in this system as well as him and the rest of the O gelling. He NEEDS this time and he's missing it due to his second biggest gig; injury. And 'mental reps' don't get it done or all the backups would be a lot better.

Now I'm not saying McNabb isn't better on the field than JC, which SJ always goes back to, b/c I've NEVER said that. The problem I have is that I don't think McNabb's 3 years (that's how many years I think he'll contribute) is worth the 2nd AND 3rd round pick we gave up for him.

For 2010-11, no, I don't think we'd have a better option. I would have been content to draft a 2nd round QB (or even Tebow now that I hear his name without being sick of it), and developing him.

But I'm looking for a rebuild of a dynasty, not win now. I'm concerned that we're giving away tomorrow for today. I'm still hoping that this was an isolated incident to jumpstart the Shanahan era. I guess time will tell on that one.

I also have faith that Shanahan and Allen have a future plan where my worry will be taken care of, but for now, I'm still concerned about a fragile QB in the latter days of his year.

[SkinsJock]

I think Kyle & Mike know what's best for both the offense and McNabb. I trust them more than some fans who think they know what is going on

it's really not a big deal - I'm sure he was not going to play very much at all next week in Arizona anyway and while I agree that he needs all the time he can get with both the scheme and his timing/familiarity with his wideouts - this guy has been around and having him in shape for the opener is key


I think we need to look big picture here and not nit pick some small issues

[VetSkinsFan]

I think Kyle & Mike know what's best for both the offense and McNabb. I trust them more than some fans who think they know what is going on

it's really not a big deal - I'm sure he was not going to play very much at all next week in Arizona anyway and while I agree that he needs all the time he can get with both the scheme and his timing/familiarity with his wideouts - this guy has been around and having him in shape for the opener is key


I think we need to look big picture here and not nit pick some small issues

If this is a veiled shot at me, please, take it somewhere else. I never claimed to know more they know. As I have always illustrated, I can only go off of what I see (and a little optimism in the gray area). But I refuse to be blind, regardless. I didn't follow JG II blindly, I didn't follow Zorn blindly, and I won't follow Shanahan/Allen blindly. You wanna go on blind faith, more power to you. I'm gonna go on the material that's in front of me.

[SkinsJock]

what I've seen and heard leads me to think these guys will do well here

to me, the progress from what we had leads me to think these guys are on the right path to turning things around

but, that's just me

I'm sorry to have to say your wrong (again) in what you think about how I think things are going with both the players and coaches but you are
I am not "blind" about anything or biased at all - I'm just seeing a lot of progress (AND I think most here are 'seeing' the same) from what we had here last season and I'm going to give the FO and Mike a little bit more credence about what is going on with the players and coaches

I also did not mean you specifically as you are not as pessimistic as some but it was meant to say to anyone and everyone that I think these guys have already done enough with the players and this franchise to get a little more leeway

I'm sure they would like to see and use McNabb some in this game BUT especially given the defense they are playing against - I think 'resting' McNabb and using the other QBs is a prudent move and the best for the franchise if you are able to look at the big picture

[Deadskins]

He's played 3-4 quarters and he's already out a game. I don't feel very lucky.

Yeah but do we really believe McNabb is so badly injured he can't play this weekend or did he tweak his ankle and it would be stupid to play him in a preaseason game this weekend?

I'm going with the latter.

That's not the point. The point is that after what is a game's worth of play, he's already dinged up. As for what 'we' believe, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that he's not playing this week. I don't go off of assumptions and guesses; I like to go off of concrete. And you can ASS|U|ME all you want, but it ain't me, buddy.

Vet - it's not just a games worth of play. Training camp is non stop. I dont have a problem with him sitting, in fact I like the idea that we are being very cautious of complicating injuries further. So far this year we have managed to not get as dinged up as the last few years so I am confident in the fact this is a precaution.

As for Sexy, let's see how he does with the first team.

As we've seen, there's still a lot of learning for him in this system as well as him and the rest of the O gelling. He NEEDS this time and he's missing it due to his second biggest gig; injury. And 'mental reps' don't get it done or all the backups would be a lot better.

Now I'm not saying McNabb isn't better on the field than JC, which SJ always goes back to, b/c I've NEVER said that. The problem I have is that I don't think McNabb's 3 years (that's how many years I think he'll contribute) is worth the 2nd AND 3rd round pick we gave up for him.

For 2010-11, no, I don't think we'd have a better option. I would have been content to draft a 2nd round QB (or even Tebow now that I hear his name without being sick of it), and developing him.

But I'm looking for a rebuild of a dynasty, not win now. I'm concerned that we're giving away tomorrow for today. I'm still hoping that this was an isolated incident to jumpstart the Shanahan era. I guess time will tell on that one.

I also have faith that Shanahan and Allen have a future plan where my worry will be taken care of, but for now, I'm still concerned about a fragile QB in the latter days of his year.

That is a valid point, but you also have to take into consideration that we took McNabb from the Smeagols, IMHO weakening them while helping us.

[VetSkinsFan]

He's played 3-4 quarters and he's already out a game. I don't feel very lucky.

Yeah but do we really believe McNabb is so badly injured he can't play this weekend or did he tweak his ankle and it would be stupid to play him in a preaseason game this weekend?

I'm going with the latter.

That's not the point. The point is that after what is a game's worth of play, he's already dinged up. As for what 'we' believe, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that he's not playing this week. I don't go off of assumptions and guesses; I like to go off of concrete. And you can ASS|U|ME all you want, but it ain't me, buddy.

Vet - it's not just a games worth of play. Training camp is non stop. I dont have a problem with him sitting, in fact I like the idea that we are being very cautious of complicating injuries further. So far this year we have managed to not get as dinged up as the last few years so I am confident in the fact this is a precaution.

As for Sexy, let's see how he does with the first team.

As we've seen, there's still a lot of learning for him in this system as well as him and the rest of the O gelling. He NEEDS this time and he's missing it due to his second biggest gig; injury. And 'mental reps' don't get it done or all the backups would be a lot better.

Now I'm not saying McNabb isn't better on the field than JC, which SJ always goes back to, b/c I've NEVER said that. The problem I have is that I don't think McNabb's 3 years (that's how many years I think he'll contribute) is worth the 2nd AND 3rd round pick we gave up for him.

For 2010-11, no, I don't think we'd have a better option. I would have been content to draft a 2nd round QB (or even Tebow now that I hear his name without being sick of it), and developing him.

But I'm looking for a rebuild of a dynasty, not win now. I'm concerned that we're giving away tomorrow for today. I'm still hoping that this was an isolated incident to jumpstart the Shanahan era. I guess time will tell on that one.

I also have faith that Shanahan and Allen have a future plan where my worry will be taken care of, but for now, I'm still concerned about a fragile QB in the latter days of his year.

That is a valid point, but you also have to take into consideration that we took McNabb from the Smeagols, IMHO weakening them while helping us.

Granted, but we also had the luxury of knowing that McNabb wouldn't play THERE all 16 games as well. As I've said, it's not that I don't think McNabb isn't an upgrade from JC, it's that I don't think he's worth it in the long run.

[CanesSkins26]

But I'm looking for a rebuild of a dynasty, not win now. I'm concerned that we're giving away tomorrow for today. I'm still hoping that this was an isolated incident to jumpstart the Shanahan era. I guess time will tell on that one.

This is my one concern with the Shanahan hire. On 980 yesterday they spent a good amount of time talking about how Shanahan had grown tired of drafting and developing players, and instead began to favor signing veteran players.

[Maximoral]

He's played 3-4 quarters and he's already out a game. I don't feel very lucky.

Yeah but do we really believe McNabb is so badly injured he can't play this weekend or did he tweak his ankle and it would be stupid to play him in a preaseason game this weekend?

I'm going with the latter.

That's not the point. The point is that after what is a game's worth of play, he's already dinged up. As for what 'we' believe, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that he's not playing this week. I don't go off of assumptions and guesses; I like to go off of concrete. And you can ASS|U|ME all you want, but it ain't me, buddy.

Vet - it's not just a games worth of play. Training camp is non stop. I dont have a problem with him sitting, in fact I like the idea that we are being very cautious of complicating injuries further. So far this year we have managed to not get as dinged up as the last few years so I am confident in the fact this is a precaution.

As for Sexy, let's see how he does with the first team.

As we've seen, there's still a lot of learning for him in this system as well as him and the rest of the O gelling. He NEEDS this time and he's missing it due to his second biggest gig; injury. And 'mental reps' don't get it done or all the backups would be a lot better.

Now I'm not saying McNabb isn't better on the field than JC, which SJ always goes back to, b/c I've NEVER said that. The problem I have is that I don't think McNabb's 3 years (that's how many years I think he'll contribute) is worth the 2nd AND 3rd round pick we gave up for him.

For 2010-11, no, I don't think we'd have a better option. I would have been content to draft a 2nd round QB (or even Tebow now that I hear his name without being sick of it), and developing him.

But I'm looking for a rebuild of a dynasty, not win now. I'm concerned that we're giving away tomorrow for today. I'm still hoping that this was an isolated incident to jumpstart the Shanahan era. I guess time will tell on that one.

I also have faith that Shanahan and Allen have a future plan where my worry will be taken care of, but for now, I'm still concerned about a fragile QB in the latter days of his year.

That is a valid point, but you also have to take into consideration that we took McNabb from the Smeagols, IMHO weakening them while helping us.

Granted, but we also had the luxury of knowing that McNabb wouldn't play THERE all 16 games as well. As I've said, it's not that I don't think McNabb isn't an upgrade from JC, it's that I don't think he's worth it in the long run.

I've got to disagree with you there. We didn't give up any 1st round picks to land McNabb. As you yourself said, he's likely going to give us between two and three years of solid QB play. The current FO will likely address McNabb's eventual replacement in the 1st round of one of the next two drafts. We'll essentially get someone like a Kevin Kolb to sit behind McNabb for a season or two and then move forward with a future franchise QB.

McNabb is going to do exactly what we need him to do. He's going to help us be immediately better than we have been in the last three years. He's also going to provide some veteran leadership and help to bridge the gap to the next franchise QB that we bring in. A 2nd and a 3rd are easily worth it to land someone who buys us between 2 and 4 years of success while we find and groom a successor.

[yupchagee]

I think we are so lucky to have a QB that is as good as McNabb

McNabb is not a really good QB but he's a huge upgrade for this franchse over what we have had

McNabb is a leader

But he's a leader & a winner. 2 JC has not been & probably never will be.

I haven't seen Philthy play this year, but Kolb's stats have been underwhelming.

naughty, naughty, you've been reading my posts again

I am so in favor of McNabb being here for a lot of reasons

I don't expect him to be really great BUT he's a leader and he will give us a chance to be a lot more successful offensively than any QB here in the last 10 years

he will also be a really good mentor for whomever comes here in the very near future to be our next QB

this was a huge mistake by the Eagles IMO

we had nobody capable of running ANY offense and no prospects of getting anyone - HUGE mistake

The Eagles won despite Donny McNabb, not because of him. I could pass for 4000 yds if you gave me Westbrook in his prime and a gameplan full of 4 yd hitch passes. He throws two passes well: the hitch pass and the bomb, everything else is a crapshoot. I just don't know how anybody could think this is an upgrade.

That this is an upgrade is obvious to any one capable of seeing.

[VetSkinsFan]

He's played 3-4 quarters and he's already out a game. I don't feel very lucky.

Yeah but do we really believe McNabb is so badly injured he can't play this weekend or did he tweak his ankle and it would be stupid to play him in a preaseason game this weekend?

I'm going with the latter.

That's not the point. The point is that after what is a game's worth of play, he's already dinged up. As for what 'we' believe, it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that he's not playing this week. I don't go off of assumptions and guesses; I like to go off of concrete. And you can ASS|U|ME all you want, but it ain't me, buddy.

Vet - it's not just a games worth of play. Training camp is non stop. I dont have a problem with him sitting, in fact I like the idea that we are being very cautious of complicating injuries further. So far this year we have managed to not get as dinged up as the last few years so I am confident in the fact this is a precaution.

As for Sexy, let's see how he does with the first team.

As we've seen, there's still a lot of learning for him in this system as well as him and the rest of the O gelling. He NEEDS this time and he's missing it due to his second biggest gig; injury. And 'mental reps' don't get it done or all the backups would be a lot better.

Now I'm not saying McNabb isn't better on the field than JC, which SJ always goes back to, b/c I've NEVER said that. The problem I have is that I don't think McNabb's 3 years (that's how many years I think he'll contribute) is worth the 2nd AND 3rd round pick we gave up for him.

For 2010-11, no, I don't think we'd have a better option. I would have been content to draft a 2nd round QB (or even Tebow now that I hear his name without being sick of it), and developing him.

But I'm looking for a rebuild of a dynasty, not win now. I'm concerned that we're giving away tomorrow for today. I'm still hoping that this was an isolated incident to jumpstart the Shanahan era. I guess time will tell on that one.

I also have faith that Shanahan and Allen have a future plan where my worry will be taken care of, but for now, I'm still concerned about a fragile QB in the latter days of his year.

That is a valid point, but you also have to take into consideration that we took McNabb from the Smeagols, IMHO weakening them while helping us.

Granted, but we also had the luxury of knowing that McNabb wouldn't play THERE all 16 games as well. As I've said, it's not that I don't think McNabb isn't an upgrade from JC, it's that I don't think he's worth it in the long run.

I've got to disagree with you there. We didn't give up any 1st round picks to land McNabb. As you yourself said, he's likely going to give us between two and three years of solid QB play. The current FO will likely address McNabb's eventual replacement in the 1st round of one of the next two drafts. We'll essentially get someone like a Kevin Kolb to sit behind McNabb for a season or two and then move forward with a future franchise QB.

McNabb is going to do exactly what we need him to do. He's going to help us be immediately better than we have been in the last three years. He's also going to provide some veteran leadership and help to bridge the gap to the next franchise QB that we bring in. A 2nd and a 3rd are easily worth it to land someone who buys us between 2 and 4 years of success while we find and groom a successor.

b/c franchise QBs are so easy to attain, it's guaranteed we'll get one. I mean, look at our history the past decade or so. We've had a plethora

There's not too many frachise QB prospects out there currently since rumors of the lockout/CBA/rookie max coming. Additionally, if McNabb DOES help us immediately, it makes it that much tougher to get high enough to get the top QB prospect of the draft.

[Deadskins]

There's not too many frachise QB prospects out there currently since rumors of the lockout/CBA/rookie max coming.

Do you think the lockout/CBA/rookie max is going to limit the number of players coming out of college into the NFL? I don't understand how any of those things affects the number of franchise QB prospects.

[Countertrey]

Vet's point should not be overlooked.

When is the last time the Redskins drafted a true "franchise" quarterback?

While we hope that it will work out, the more successful McNabb is, the less likely we are to find that future franchise quarterback in the draft.