Cut Beck...bring back Brennan

[langleyparkjoe]

So much factors involved when Beck was in though, hard to give him a grade yet when playing against the bills. What was in? 3rd, 4th teams? Plus he just got here so I'm guessing he's still learning that playbook and system. He'll continue to develop even after preseason so lets not give up on the kid just yet. Patience my friends, patience!!!!!!

Plus, after the horrible years we've just had, why ya'll want to rush everything?? CHIIIIILLLLLLLLLL... important thing is that we have a good 2nd QB (good as in he knows the system) and grossman will be a good person to learn from and beck also has mcnugget to help as well.

Put it this way folks and there's no way I'm comparing beck to these guys but no one thought about romo or brady when they were on the bench all those years either. Remember, lightning doesn't strike often but who says it doesn't strike at all?

[Area3021]

Chill, folks.


While you're at it, get back on topic, please.

Ok, let's talk about big CB. Dude made undeniable history at Hawaii....wait.... Hawaii??? There's a college in Hawaii? what's the most popular major? pig roasting? Hula dancing? What conference is Hawaii in again? The Rainbow 8 with Alaska Southern and Canada Tech? Seriously he's barely 6'0" tall (even wearing those hidden 3in. heels that Tom Cruise does) He can't see over the line of scrimmage. He's one of those amazing college players who should've done better in school or just gone back and been a coach somewhere. Met the dude, real cool, but he just doesn't seem to be cut from an NFL caliber cloth. Bartel is pretty awful too, but thankfully we're set with McNabb and Grossy backing him up.

Whether he will make it here or not, he had a great college career. His previous peers couldn't set all the records he did, 31 of them if I recall. It's not lookin bright for his NFL future, but you cannot deny his college numbers.

Brennan did have a great college career, but like previously stated, he didn't play anybody. If he had been in the SEC, Pac 10, hell i'll even say the ACC, it's questionable at best that he puts up those kind of numbers over the span of a career. If Tim Tebow had been playing Galludet 40 times he would have probably set every college record out there. I'll even throw in some Skins history, who was that quarterback we selected in the first round sometime in the early 90's? Heath something? Some guy who was considered at the time to be the best college quarterback of all time? That worked out real well, I think Mr. Shuler is a senator or something. Point is, college greatness doesn't necessarily compute. Let's give John Beck a chance, he's not gonna play anyway and at least hes actually seen a little bit of action in league. Bartel is a complete scrub, fact.

You missed what I said. Stop using generic arguments and actually respond to what's in front of you. I said in his college days, to those standards, he was above his peers. To deny or trivialize that in the college ranks is ludicrous. I never mentioned how well that transcends to the NFL. You can throw out all the skins history, or whatever other history you want, but the fact is that he was above his peers in college.

But what peers and standards are you talking about? The other QBs in his conference? The ones his same age? Because to say he was above all other quarterbacks at the college ranks at the time, that is ludicrous. If he was so much better, where's his heisman? I believe 3 different QB's won the Heisman during Brennan's collegiate career, and he was above them? I don't think that simply saying the main reason he set all of those records was the level of competition and that he threw the ball 50 times a game. If you want to say that he was better than all QB's in his conference, or similarly talented conferences, then I would not argue. But to say that he was the best QB in college football during his career in Hawaii, i'm afraid that is totally inaccurate.

Side note, does it weird anyone else out that the Raiders are signing all of our garbage as their team? Didn't they see how well that worked in DC?

[VetSkinsFan]

Chill, folks.


While you're at it, get back on topic, please.

Ok, let's talk about big CB. Dude made undeniable history at Hawaii....wait.... Hawaii??? There's a college in Hawaii? what's the most popular major? pig roasting? Hula dancing? What conference is Hawaii in again? The Rainbow 8 with Alaska Southern and Canada Tech? Seriously he's barely 6'0" tall (even wearing those hidden 3in. heels that Tom Cruise does) He can't see over the line of scrimmage. He's one of those amazing college players who should've done better in school or just gone back and been a coach somewhere. Met the dude, real cool, but he just doesn't seem to be cut from an NFL caliber cloth. Bartel is pretty awful too, but thankfully we're set with McNabb and Grossy backing him up.

Whether he will make it here or not, he had a great college career. His previous peers couldn't set all the records he did, 31 of them if I recall. It's not lookin bright for his NFL future, but you cannot deny his college numbers.

Brennan did have a great college career, but like previously stated, he didn't play anybody. If he had been in the SEC, Pac 10, hell i'll even say the ACC, it's questionable at best that he puts up those kind of numbers over the span of a career. If Tim Tebow had been playing Galludet 40 times he would have probably set every college record out there. I'll even throw in some Skins history, who was that quarterback we selected in the first round sometime in the early 90's? Heath something? Some guy who was considered at the time to be the best college quarterback of all time? That worked out real well, I think Mr. Shuler is a senator or something. Point is, college greatness doesn't necessarily compute. Let's give John Beck a chance, he's not gonna play anyway and at least hes actually seen a little bit of action in league. Bartel is a complete scrub, fact.

You missed what I said. Stop using generic arguments and actually respond to what's in front of you. I said in his college days, to those standards, he was above his peers. To deny or trivialize that in the college ranks is ludicrous. I never mentioned how well that transcends to the NFL. You can throw out all the skins history, or whatever other history you want, but the fact is that he was above his peers in college.

But what peers and standards are you talking about? The other QBs in his conference? The ones his same age? Because to say he was above all other quarterbacks at the college ranks at the time, that is ludicrous. If he was so much better, where's his heisman? I believe 3 different QB's won the Heisman during Brennan's collegiate career, and he was above them? I don't think that simply saying the main reason he set all of those records was the level of competition and that he threw the ball 50 times a game. If you want to say that he was better than all QB's in his conference, or similarly talented conferences, then I would not argue. But to say that he was the best QB in college football during his career in Hawaii, i'm afraid that is totally inaccurate.

Side note, does it weird anyone else out that the Raiders are signing all of our garbage as their team? Didn't they see how well that worked in DC?

...peers being his conference. Even someone like me who doesn't follow college football knows there's significant disparity between some conferences.

[yupchagee]

Chill, folks.


While you're at it, get back on topic, please.

Ok, let's talk about big CB. Dude made undeniable history at Hawaii....wait.... Hawaii??? There's a college in Hawaii? what's the most popular major? pig roasting? Hula dancing? What conference is Hawaii in again? The Rainbow 8 with Alaska Southern and Canada Tech? Seriously he's barely 6'0" tall (even wearing those hidden 3in. heels that Tom Cruise does) He can't see over the line of scrimmage. He's one of those amazing college players who should've done better in school or just gone back and been a coach somewhere. Met the dude, real cool, but he just doesn't seem to be cut from an NFL caliber cloth. Bartel is pretty awful too, but thankfully we're set with McNabb and Grossy backing him up.

Whether he will make it here or not, he had a great college career. His previous peers couldn't set all the records he did, 31 of them if I recall. It's not lookin bright for his NFL future, but you cannot deny his college numbers.

Brennan did have a great college career, but like previously stated, he didn't play anybody. If he had been in the SEC, Pac 10, hell i'll even say the ACC, it's questionable at best that he puts up those kind of numbers over the span of a career. If Tim Tebow had been playing Galludet 40 times he would have probably set every college record out there. I'll even throw in some Skins history, who was that quarterback we selected in the first round sometime in the early 90's? Heath something? Some guy who was considered at the time to be the best college quarterback of all time? That worked out real well, I think Mr. Shuler is a senator or something. Point is, college greatness doesn't necessarily compute. Let's give John Beck a chance, he's not gonna play anyway and at least hes actually seen a little bit of action in league. Bartel is a complete scrub, fact.

You missed what I said. Stop using generic arguments and actually respond to what's in front of you. I said in his college days, to those standards, he was above his peers. To deny or trivialize that in the college ranks is ludicrous. I never mentioned how well that transcends to the NFL. You can throw out all the skins history, or whatever other history you want, but the fact is that he was above his peers in college.

But what peers and standards are you talking about? The other QBs in his conference? The ones his same age? Because to say he was above all other quarterbacks at the college ranks at the time, that is ludicrous. If he was so much better, where's his heisman? I believe 3 different QB's won the Heisman during Brennan's collegiate career, and he was above them? I don't think that simply saying the main reason he set all of those records was the level of competition and that he threw the ball 50 times a game. If you want to say that he was better than all QB's in his conference, or similarly talented conferences, then I would not argue. But to say that he was the best QB in college football during his career in Hawaii, i'm afraid that is totally inaccurate.

Side note, does it weird anyone else out that the Raiders are signing all of our garbage as their team? Didn't they see how well that worked in DC?

The Heisman goes to the back with the best PR dept.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Cut Beck...bring back Brennan

Yes, the benches just haven't had the same warmth to them since Brennan left