Cut Beck...bring back Brennan

[tribeofjudah]

Well somebody had to start this thread.

Beck was atrocious last night.
Sacked several times
Rush and hurried many times
Balls batted down many times (he is 6'2" for crying out loud)

Bring back Brennan.....(hehehehe )

[Maximoral]

Couldn't agree with you more! Beck was wretched in Miami, never got off the pine in Baltimore and will likely be beat out by Bartel for the 3rd QB spot! Brennan couldn't have been that terrible in practice....could he?

[Bob 0119]

Rumor is that Shanahan is known to only carry two QB's in reg season.

[Countertrey]

I think that had Bartel been availible, you would not have seen Beck at all... He's only had about a week and a half in the system. Not making excuses, but this is not a simple change. Shanahan's offense is very specific... and very dependent upon timing. If you have to think, you will miss opportunities.

Beck may or may not be an answer... and, yeah, he was completely over his head last night... but can you say that it will be the same after he's had one or two more weeks with the playbook?

If that's the case, he'll be gone faster than a ham bone in a pea soup factory...

Just wait a bit.

... and then there's the whole Shanahan carrying only 2 quarterbacks thing...

[frankcal20]

Exactly - there is no such thing as a #3 QB on a MShanny roster.

Also, one of the stars of training camp has been Richard Bartel who has a hamstring injury. He didn't play last night but from what we've been reading, he's pushing Grossman. Now, Grossman looked like a gameday starter last night but he's going to provide excellent security for our team. (I feel weird about praising Grossman - he's been sooooo baaaaad).

Beck won't be on the team come the regular season I think. Also, it's pretty important to note that Colt is on Oaklands roster.

[ATX_Skins]

Brennan signed with the Raiders I think

[frankcal20]

Yeah - he's with the Raiders.

[RayNAustin]

Brennan signed with the Raiders I think

Yes he did, and how ironic would it be if he were to beat out Campbell?

I watched that game, and it was pretty much vintage Jason Campbell, while Boller seemed to be the only one to generate some offense.

I wonder what will become of the QB situation there if Jason keeps to form ... (he has never been a preseason phenom) ... though he is infinitely better than Russel, will he be able to muddle through preseason and retain the starter role if Boller performs better ... Gradowski coming back, and Brennan being capable of some preseason magic?

[frankcal20]

Dude - if you watched the game, you saw JC get hit and sacked several times. Their line isn't much better than the one we had here last year. He overthrew I think Heyward Bay or Lewis on a deep route but outside of that, he had some really nice passes 15+ yds or so down the field on a nice out route to Lewis. JC is the starter and will be the starter this year.

You can let it go already.

[riggofan]

Give me a break. Hasn't Beck been here like two weeks at the most? He clearly wasn't ready to play yet in this offense.

I don't even like Beck that much, but I'd rather at least take a look at him this summer then beat the dead Colt Brennan horse.

[ATX_Skins]

Brennan signed with the Raiders I think

Yes he did, and how ironic would it be if he were to beat out Campbell?

I watched that game, and it was pretty much vintage Jason Campbell, while Boller seemed to be the only one to generate some offense.

I wonder what will become of the QB situation there if Jason keeps to form ... (he has never been a preseason phenom) ... though he is infinitely better than Russel, will he be able to muddle through preseason and retain the starter role if Boller performs better ... Gradowski coming back, and Brennan being capable of some preseason magic?

I dont think that would ever happen but I'm on board with you as always that Campbell wasn't just bad here, he was flat out terrible. All the bro-love is just disgusting... Tired of the excuses, I saw crisp passes last night from Donovan, the kind I have never seen Jason throw.

1...2....3....4.. Ok, I'm 100% over Campbell. I will do my best never to mention that losers name ever agin.

[SnyderSucks]

Brennan signed with the Raiders I think

Yes he did, and how ironic would it be if he were to beat out Campbell?

I watched that game, and it was pretty much vintage Jason Campbell, while Boller seemed to be the only one to generate some offense.

I wonder what will become of the QB situation there if Jason keeps to form ... (he has never been a preseason phenom) ... though he is infinitely better than Russel, will he be able to muddle through preseason and retain the starter role if Boller performs better ... Gradowski coming back, and Brennan being capable of some preseason magic?

I dont think that would ever happen but I'm on board with you as always that Campbell wasn't just bad here, he was flat out terrible. All the bro-love is just disgusting... Tired of the excuses, I saw crisp passes last night from Donovan, the kind I have never seen Jason throw.

1...2....3....4.. Ok, I'm 100% over Campbell. I will do my best never to mention that losers name ever agin.

That's an unnecessary personal attack on a player who handled himself with nothing but professionalism and a positive attitude no matter what happened while he was here. Why kick the man after he's gone?

[ATX_Skins]

Brennan signed with the Raiders I think

Yes he did, and how ironic would it be if he were to beat out Campbell?

I watched that game, and it was pretty much vintage Jason Campbell, while Boller seemed to be the only one to generate some offense.

I wonder what will become of the QB situation there if Jason keeps to form ... (he has never been a preseason phenom) ... though he is infinitely better than Russel, will he be able to muddle through preseason and retain the starter role if Boller performs better ... Gradowski coming back, and Brennan being capable of some preseason magic?

I dont think that would ever happen but I'm on board with you as always that Campbell wasn't just bad here, he was flat out terrible. All the bro-love is just disgusting... Tired of the excuses, I saw crisp passes last night from Donovan, the kind I have never seen Jason throw.

1...2....3....4.. Ok, I'm 100% over Campbell. I will do my best never to mention that losers name ever agin.

That's an unnecessary personal attack on a player who handled himself with nothing but professionalism and a positive attitude no matter what happened while he was here. Why kick the man after he's gone?

He had no other choice than to handle himself that way. He wasnt good enough to say what he wanted to say. He knew he was barely hanging on to his job every year.

I'm not sure what positive atitude he showed, every interview was the same "Well, we uh did some good things out there i think, some bad, but we will go back monday and look at things and umm see where we are and get ready for uhhh next week"

and im kicking the man when he's gone because now we have a real QB finally after wasted years with Mr. Humble Pie.

[Maximoral]

Hey ATX_Skins, You and I have had this argument many times in the past! Campbell is a solid NFL QB! If he had been with Shanahan and company from the beginning and getting to learn and play in one offense for these past few years, he'd be a pretty darn good player right now!

He was a casualty of the Dan and Vinny show of the past few years! I can see why Shanahan didn't want him. Same reason that Gibbs didn't want Ramsey. Both young QB's were completely shell shocked after multiple seasons of offensive changes and sack totals that would make any O-line blush!

Cut the kid some slack! If Oakland can give him any sort of a line to work with, he'll be pretty good there.

[ATX_Skins]

Hey ATX_Skins, You and I have had this argument many times in the past! Campbell is a solid NFL QB! If he had been with Shanahan and company from the beginning and getting to learn and play in one offense for these past few years, he'd be a pretty darn good player right now!

He was a casualty of the Dan and Vinny show of the past few years! I can see why Shanahan didn't want him. Same reason that Gibbs didn't want Ramsey. Both young QB's were completely shell shocked after multiple seasons of offensive changes and sack totals that would make any O-line blush!

Cut the kid some slack! If Oakland can give him any sort of a line to work with, he'll be pretty good there.

Dude, we have had this argument. You know he sucks, everyone knows he sucks. Hell even Oakland knows he sucks but Old Al had to do something to keep people buying tickets.

He will amount to absolutely nothing in Oakland. He is a back up QB and nothing more. The talent is just not there. Even when he had time he just doesn't have the downfield accuracy to hit receivers in stride.

If I was the front office I would have told him we are cutting his pay 75% and making him a back up. He would have shrugged his shoulders and mumbled something but nobody would understand or care.

[Maximoral]

Hey ATX_Skins, You and I have had this argument many times in the past! Campbell is a solid NFL QB! If he had been with Shanahan and company from the beginning and getting to learn and play in one offense for these past few years, he'd be a pretty darn good player right now!

He was a casualty of the Dan and Vinny show of the past few years! I can see why Shanahan didn't want him. Same reason that Gibbs didn't want Ramsey. Both young QB's were completely shell shocked after multiple seasons of offensive changes and sack totals that would make any O-line blush!

Cut the kid some slack! If Oakland can give him any sort of a line to work with, he'll be pretty good there.

Dude, we have had this argument. You know he sucks, everyone knows he sucks. Hell even Oakland knows he sucks but Old Al had to do something to keep people buying tickets.

He will amount to absolutely nothing in Oakland. He is a back up QB and nothing more. The talent is just not there. Even when he had time he just doesn't have the downfield accuracy to hit receivers in stride.

If I was the front office I would have told him we are cutting his pay 75% and making him a back up. He would have shrugged his shoulders and mumbled something but nobody would understand or care.

Thank God you're not in any sort of management position! As much as you knock the old regime, you were one of the biggest supporters of the Haynesworth deal! I've seen many times over your view of who is an important cog in the development of our team and who isn't!

As we've argued before, the statistics don't lie! Campbell's numbers improved every single year that he was in the league! He got progressively better on teams which got progressively worse!

Now, I'm not suggesting that I'm not happy with McNabb as our starter! Is McNabb better than Campbell? YES!!!! Of course! But, does Campbell deserve the ridicule which you have heaped on him for two years now? No way! Let's just wish him the best in Oakland and hope that he continues to handle himself with the same dignity he displayed in Washington!

[ATX_Skins]

Hey ATX_Skins, You and I have had this argument many times in the past! Campbell is a solid NFL QB! If he had been with Shanahan and company from the beginning and getting to learn and play in one offense for these past few years, he'd be a pretty darn good player right now!

He was a casualty of the Dan and Vinny show of the past few years! I can see why Shanahan didn't want him. Same reason that Gibbs didn't want Ramsey. Both young QB's were completely shell shocked after multiple seasons of offensive changes and sack totals that would make any O-line blush!

Cut the kid some slack! If Oakland can give him any sort of a line to work with, he'll be pretty good there.

Dude, we have had this argument. You know he sucks, everyone knows he sucks. Hell even Oakland knows he sucks but Old Al had to do something to keep people buying tickets.

He will amount to absolutely nothing in Oakland. He is a back up QB and nothing more. The talent is just not there. Even when he had time he just doesn't have the downfield accuracy to hit receivers in stride.

If I was the front office I would have told him we are cutting his pay 75% and making him a back up. He would have shrugged his shoulders and mumbled something but nobody would understand or care.

Thank God you're not in any sort of management position! As much as you knock the old regime, you were one of the biggest supporters of the Haynesworth deal! I've seen many times over your view of who is an important cog in the development of our team and who isn't!

As we've argued before, the statistics don't lie! Campbell's numbers improved every single year that he was in the league! He got progressively better on teams which got progressively worse!

Now, I'm not suggesting that I'm not happy with McNabb as our starter! Is McNabb better than Campbell? YES!!!! Of course! But, does Campbell deserve the ridicule which you have heaped on him for two years now? No way! Let's just wish him the best in Oakland and hope that he continues to handle himself with the same dignity he displayed in Washington!

Wish him the best? Why? Has he been sending me Xmas cards in the mail I don't know about? Is he maybe the reason the dog crap magically disappears from my front lawn? No.

He's a Raider now. He gets no love from me. You leave this team you signed off from me being a supporter. That's right Brian Mitchell, you too.

[Maximoral]

Hey ATX_Skins, You and I have had this argument many times in the past! Campbell is a solid NFL QB! If he had been with Shanahan and company from the beginning and getting to learn and play in one offense for these past few years, he'd be a pretty darn good player right now!

He was a casualty of the Dan and Vinny show of the past few years! I can see why Shanahan didn't want him. Same reason that Gibbs didn't want Ramsey. Both young QB's were completely shell shocked after multiple seasons of offensive changes and sack totals that would make any O-line blush!

Cut the kid some slack! If Oakland can give him any sort of a line to work with, he'll be pretty good there.

Dude, we have had this argument. You know he sucks, everyone knows he sucks. Hell even Oakland knows he sucks but Old Al had to do something to keep people buying tickets.

He will amount to absolutely nothing in Oakland. He is a back up QB and nothing more. The talent is just not there. Even when he had time he just doesn't have the downfield accuracy to hit receivers in stride.

If I was the front office I would have told him we are cutting his pay 75% and making him a back up. He would have shrugged his shoulders and mumbled something but nobody would understand or care.

Thank God you're not in any sort of management position! As much as you knock the old regime, you were one of the biggest supporters of the Haynesworth deal! I've seen many times over your view of who is an important cog in the development of our team and who isn't!

As we've argued before, the statistics don't lie! Campbell's numbers improved every single year that he was in the league! He got progressively better on teams which got progressively worse!

Now, I'm not suggesting that I'm not happy with McNabb as our starter! Is McNabb better than Campbell? YES!!!! Of course! But, does Campbell deserve the ridicule which you have heaped on him for two years now? No way! Let's just wish him the best in Oakland and hope that he continues to handle himself with the same dignity he displayed in Washington!

Wish him the best? Why? Has he been sending me Xmas cards in the mail I don't know about? Is he maybe the reason the dog crap magically disappears from my front lawn? No.

He's a Raider now. He gets no love from me. You leave this team you signed off from me being a supporter. That's right Brian Mitchell, you too.

I'll agree with you there! I can't stand listening to B-Mitch refer to himself as a Redskin. He played for 3/4 of the NFC East. When he first went to Philly, he had a pitty party for himself and then started bashing the skins!

Once he couldn't play football anymore, he decides to come back to DC with his tail between his legs claiming to be a lifelong Skin!

[ATX_Skins]

Hey ATX_Skins, You and I have had this argument many times in the past! Campbell is a solid NFL QB! If he had been with Shanahan and company from the beginning and getting to learn and play in one offense for these past few years, he'd be a pretty darn good player right now!

He was a casualty of the Dan and Vinny show of the past few years! I can see why Shanahan didn't want him. Same reason that Gibbs didn't want Ramsey. Both young QB's were completely shell shocked after multiple seasons of offensive changes and sack totals that would make any O-line blush!

Cut the kid some slack! If Oakland can give him any sort of a line to work with, he'll be pretty good there.

Dude, we have had this argument. You know he sucks, everyone knows he sucks. Hell even Oakland knows he sucks but Old Al had to do something to keep people buying tickets.

He will amount to absolutely nothing in Oakland. He is a back up QB and nothing more. The talent is just not there. Even when he had time he just doesn't have the downfield accuracy to hit receivers in stride.

If I was the front office I would have told him we are cutting his pay 75% and making him a back up. He would have shrugged his shoulders and mumbled something but nobody would understand or care.

Thank God you're not in any sort of management position! As much as you knock the old regime, you were one of the biggest supporters of the Haynesworth deal! I've seen many times over your view of who is an important cog in the development of our team and who isn't!

As we've argued before, the statistics don't lie! Campbell's numbers improved every single year that he was in the league! He got progressively better on teams which got progressively worse!

Now, I'm not suggesting that I'm not happy with McNabb as our starter! Is McNabb better than Campbell? YES!!!! Of course! But, does Campbell deserve the ridicule which you have heaped on him for two years now? No way! Let's just wish him the best in Oakland and hope that he continues to handle himself with the same dignity he displayed in Washington!

Wish him the best? Why? Has he been sending me Xmas cards in the mail I don't know about? Is he maybe the reason the dog crap magically disappears from my front lawn? No.

He's a Raider now. He gets no love from me. You leave this team you signed off from me being a supporter. That's right Brian Mitchell, you too.

I'll agree with you there! I can't stand listening to B-Mitch refer to himself as a Redskin. He played for 3/4 of the NFC East. When he first went to Philly, he had a pitty party for himself and then started bashing the skins!

Once he couldn't play football anymore, he decides to come back to DC with his tail between his legs claiming to be a lifelong Skin!

Yeah man, BMitch sucks at life, Lavar too.

Lavar being the worst though, he was a terrible lazy showboater. Left DC then comes back because for some reason to exploit the stupid fan base that loved him. Ever tried to have a conversation with a Lavar fan? Dreadful.

[Maximoral]

Hey ATX_Skins, You and I have had this argument many times in the past! Campbell is a solid NFL QB! If he had been with Shanahan and company from the beginning and getting to learn and play in one offense for these past few years, he'd be a pretty darn good player right now!

He was a casualty of the Dan and Vinny show of the past few years! I can see why Shanahan didn't want him. Same reason that Gibbs didn't want Ramsey. Both young QB's were completely shell shocked after multiple seasons of offensive changes and sack totals that would make any O-line blush!

Cut the kid some slack! If Oakland can give him any sort of a line to work with, he'll be pretty good there.

Dude, we have had this argument. You know he sucks, everyone knows he sucks. Hell even Oakland knows he sucks but Old Al had to do something to keep people buying tickets.

He will amount to absolutely nothing in Oakland. He is a back up QB and nothing more. The talent is just not there. Even when he had time he just doesn't have the downfield accuracy to hit receivers in stride.

If I was the front office I would have told him we are cutting his pay 75% and making him a back up. He would have shrugged his shoulders and mumbled something but nobody would understand or care.

Thank God you're not in any sort of management position! As much as you knock the old regime, you were one of the biggest supporters of the Haynesworth deal! I've seen many times over your view of who is an important cog in the development of our team and who isn't!

As we've argued before, the statistics don't lie! Campbell's numbers improved every single year that he was in the league! He got progressively better on teams which got progressively worse!

Now, I'm not suggesting that I'm not happy with McNabb as our starter! Is McNabb better than Campbell? YES!!!! Of course! But, does Campbell deserve the ridicule which you have heaped on him for two years now? No way! Let's just wish him the best in Oakland and hope that he continues to handle himself with the same dignity he displayed in Washington!

Wish him the best? Why? Has he been sending me Xmas cards in the mail I don't know about? Is he maybe the reason the dog crap magically disappears from my front lawn? No.

He's a Raider now. He gets no love from me. You leave this team you signed off from me being a supporter. That's right Brian Mitchell, you too.

I'll agree with you there! I can't stand listening to B-Mitch refer to himself as a Redskin. He played for 3/4 of the NFC East. When he first went to Philly, he had a pitty party for himself and then started bashing the skins!

Once he couldn't play football anymore, he decides to come back to DC with his tail between his legs claiming to be a lifelong Skin!

Yeah man, BMitch sucks at life, Lavar too.

Lavar being the worst though, he was a terrible lazy showboater. Left DC then comes back because for some reason to exploit the stupid fan base that loved him. Ever tried to have a conversation with a Lavar fan? Dreadful.

Lavar was, is, and always will be, one of the most overrated and overhyped Redskins in team history! I still remember him being compared to LT after he was drafted out of Penn State. Turned out to be a total non-factor in the NFL!

[SkinsJock]

Jason Campbell is a Raider and I hope he plays great for them - he was never going to be a very good QB here no matter who was the coach or what the surrounding group of players were like - NOT HAPPENING HERE

Both McNabb and Grossman showed last night that some QBs have it and some don't - we are very lucky that we were able to trade Campbell and get something for him AND Campbell is really lucky to be a Raider and is the top choice to start out there

we all need to move on - Campbell was NEVER, EVER, going to be anything here and now he's a Raider - I hope he's the best Raider QB EVER







We are so much better off with McNabb & Grossman as our QBs

[skinsfan#33]

Dude - if you watched the game, you saw JC get hit and sacked several times. Their line isn't much better than the one we had here last year. He overthrew I think Heyward Bay or Lewis on a deep route but outside of that, he had some really nice passes 15+ yds or so down the field on a nice out route to Lewis. JC is the starter and will be the starter this year.

You can let it go already.

Frank,
That is what JC does. He makes some nice throws, but he also takes sack he shouldn't and he misses WR down field.
I can't remeber a worse deep passer!

[Krisk86]

I don't understand why people think Jason Campbell was so good. So his stats improved every year, stats don't win football games. Everyone that thinks Campbell is so good needs to go to to the play-by-play from the Oakland/Dallas game. Every drive involving Campbell is short passes for minimum gain, or incomplete. Just reading the play-by-play made me feel like I was watching a Redskins game from last season. He played for the whole first half the the game and only had 49 yards passing. If Campbell had played the whole game the Raiders would not have made the comeback and beaten Dallas. I'm sorry, you can take up for him all you want, but Campbell is not a solid NFL QB.

[frankcal20]

I watched the game so I saw the plays he had. Oakland is known to have - even last year one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL (weird thing is their HC was an Oline coach for many years). Last year, he got something like 3.3 sec. average for every pass play. In the game vs. Dallas the other night, there was a lot of times where he didn't even get that much time.

Anyways, I'm not going to be making excuses for the guy b/c he's not on the team anymore and really, some people just seem to have some personal vendetta's against him. I don't know why. Our TEAM sucked last year. QB was not the reason why we didn't win more games last season. The entire organization was.

I'm really done talking about it!!!!

[brad7686]

How the hell did this turn into a Campbell thread? Let it go, people. He will never be as bad as some of you make him out to be.