Redskins to Pick 4th in the NFL Draft

[skinsfan#33]

I really don't want Sam Bradford, but ESPN already projected him to us. I'd rather trade down and pick up Dan LeFevour than take Sam Bradford. He's injured goods. I want Eric Berry if he falls to us or CJ Spiller. I know it's high for CJ Spiller, but we need explosion on offense, and that is CJ Spiller who I'm crossing my fingers has a bit of Chris Johnson in him.

If there is one possition we can't afford to even consider on the first day, that is RB. A QB can succeed w/o a great OL, he won't be his best, but he can make plays. I don't care who you are, a RB simply doesn't succeed w/o an OL. I don't want to hear that Barry Sanders did, because that is a bunch of horse hockey. His OL was a far cry better than people give it credit {light years better than ours}!

Chris Johnson would have a hard time breaking 1000 yards behind this line.

RB have a 5-6 life span. Why waste a high draft pick on a guy doomed to failure.

If Okung is still there, TAKE HIM! If you can trade down, then great. They absolutely can't afford to go deffense. they have to take their highest rated player at QT or QB. Everything else iw window dressing.

[brad7686]

I just can't see the value in a QB with the 4th pick

In what sense? If Claussen, for example, turns out to be as good as Joe Flacco, how would that not be value?

Joe Flacco ain't exactly Joe Montana. Look at his stats this year compared to JC's, who I know you don't think is all that good. Its really close. And one has a much less talented O-line. I would actually hope that Claussen is better than Flacco.

The difference there is that Flacco is only in his second year and JC is in his 5th. For a second year player Flacco is damn good in my opinion. He's also improved across the board from year one to year two. A second year starter with an 88 qb rating, 63 percent completion percentage, 21 td's, and 12 int's is very good.

I can go along with that, I just think people have jumped the gun on Flacco a little bit, and should let him develop into what he could be before praising him as a great qb.

[RayNAustin]

if we pick Bradford and we don't address the O line, then Bradford's NFL career will be short lived.

Does everyone need to say in chorus "Nobody is saying don't address the online"? I've not heard ONE SINGLE PERSON suggest that we don't need to address the o-line ... not one.

Continuing to speak as though picking a QB as synonymous with ignoring the o-line is not only false, but very transparent.

I get it ... you want Campbell to retire a Redskin. Ain't gonna happen.

[riggofan]

It's going to boil down to the evaluations of Shannahan, and Allen, as to what they do with the first pick. Is there a QB prospect that they feel is worth a 4th overall pick ... if so, that's what they'll do.

Yeah I think you're right, and I gotta say I will feel better about the pick knowing Mike Shanahan is making it as opposed to super scouts, Danny and Vinny.

[Irn-Bru]

So many holes... I know we're going to fall in love with some big name playmakers over the next few months, but the smart thing really is to let other teams fall in love with that pick and trade down while we're on the clock... we could easily end up with 3 more picks if we play our cards right...

You need quality in addition to quantity. With the first two picks in this draft we could solidify our offensive line by 40%. If we traded our high pick and took a few 2nd rounders, there's a good chance we come away with only 1 starter in the bunch for next year.

[SkinsJock]

when you need 4 tires to replace the 4 bad tires you don't get 1 good one - we need to find a bunch of good players not just 1 very good player and 1 good player - we need to get as many players as we can - these guys all have talent we just need a few more of them

IF Snyder's still helping here (like it looks like) then we will definetly use the flashy pick to go along with the flashy new HC - this guy is scum and has not been very honest with us lately from what it looks like anyway

[DEHog]

I like what BMitch he said you have to have an engine...Oline...and right now we have no engine

[SkinsJock]

the key to the offense is the line - we will find a QB - Shanahan might think that he can work with Campbell and while I do not think that is going to help us, we can wait a year - you could surround Campbell with a fantastic line and great supporting cast and he'd still miss the deep WR OR throw the ball short of the LOS

[DEHog]

the key to the offense is the line - we will find a QB - Shanahan might think that he can work with Campbell and while I do not think that is going to help us, we can wait a year - you could surround Campbell with a fantastic line and great supporting cast and he'd still miss the deep WR OR throw the ball short of the LOS

His last pass yeterday was too funny...he had a 55 x 70 yards box to throw the ball in and he missed

[crazyhorse1]

when you need 4 tires to replace the 4 bad tires you don't get 1 good one - we need to find a bunch of good players not just 1 very good player and 1 good player - we need to get as many players as we can - these guys all have talent we just need a few more of them

IF Snyder's still helping here (like it looks like) then we will definetly use the flashy pick to go along with the flashy new HC - this guy is scum and has not been very honest with us lately from what it looks like anyway

If we spend our first two picks on Okung and Matt Tennant (the best center in the draft and rated 1), we will have replaced two of the tires with the best drafted players at their positions in the country. Only two positions to go-- there are FA's out there. I repeat what I said before. We could conceivably fix the OL in one year. Let's see what Campbell can do with a real OL. If he fails, we grab a first round QB next year. There are no sure thing QB's in the draft this year. Bradford may or may not be able to throw. No more gambling, please.

[crazyhorse1]

when you need 4 tires to replace the 4 bad tires you don't get 1 good one - we need to find a bunch of good players not just 1 very good player and 1 good player - we need to get as many players as we can - these guys all have talent we just need a few more of them

IF Snyder's still helping here (like it looks like) then we will definetly use the flashy pick to go along with the flashy new HC - this guy is scum and has not been very honest with us lately from what it looks like anyway

If we spend our first two picks on Okung and Matt Tennant (the best center in the draft and rated 1), we will have replaced two of the tires with the best drafted players at their positions in the country. Only two positions to go-- there are FA's out there. I repeat what I said before. We could conceivably fix the OL in one year. Let's see what Campbell can do with a real OL. If he fails, we grab a first round QB next year. There are no sure thing QB's in the draft this year. Bradford may or may not be able to throw. No more gambling, please.

[brad7686]

if we pick Bradford and we don't address the O line, then Bradford's NFL career will be short lived.

Does everyone need to say in chorus "Nobody is saying don't address the online"? I've not heard ONE SINGLE PERSON suggest that we don't need to address the o-line ... not one.

Continuing to speak as though picking a QB as synonymous with ignoring the o-line is not only false, but very transparent.

I get it ... you want Campbell to retire a Redskin. Ain't gonna happen.

Well the only way they can address the OT position without taking one first is if they somehow end up with McNeill, which I find unlikely.

[SkinsJock]

if we pick Bradford and we don't address the O line, then Bradford's NFL career will be short lived.

Does everyone need to say in chorus "Nobody is saying don't address the online"? I've not heard ONE SINGLE PERSON suggest that we don't need to address the o-line ... not one.

Continuing to speak as though picking a QB as synonymous with ignoring the o-line is not only false, but very transparent.

I get it ... you want Campbell to retire a Redskin. Ain't gonna happen.

Well the only way they can address the OT position without taking one first is if they somehow end up with McNeill, which I find unlikely.

taking Bradford is only going to help the offensive line re-build - they will make damn sure they have people there to take care of him

I would rather use the pick on Okung but what do I know - we do need a better QB than Campbell - no matter what sort of line we have he cannot get the ball deep and his short passes never seem to be over the line of scrimmage

[frankcal20]

There are a few things about those type of passes

1. He couldn't throw deep because the took out the 5 and 7 step drops which allow the receivers time to get open downfield.

2. The type of offense we run - WCO is predominantly a short passing game. It's premise is to run after the catch. Sure there are different versions and examples with players like DeShawn Jackson who regularly get open deep but again, not many guys with his speed and route running ability - especially on this team. Also, those plays take time to develop. Something this offensive line didn't do on a consistent basis.

[MDSKINSFAN]

trade it for a late 1st and mid 2nd?

No, I think we need the talent that a #4 pick could bring in. We could snag the best OT on the board, for example.

Thats what I'm thinking. From early mock drafts and predictions the top OL in the draft will still be there so that is who we have to take.

Kiper has us picking Bradford. It makes me sick thinking of us drafting him over an OL, or just drafting him period.

[72wasbest]

Dear Santa:

I know you are back in the North Pole, but if you would please grant me just this one wish. Please, please, please do not let my new coach (Shanny) have any desire to draft one of these sure bust qb's in this draft. Oh yea Santa and if you would just make sure there is a solid OL or Eric Berry available at #4 I promise to never make another request from you again.

PS Santa: if you can't manage the OL or Berry I would still settle for you giving our new front office the wisdom to trade out of this spot for multiple picks. Thanks Santa get back to your rest now, see you next December!

[brad7686]

if we pick Bradford and we don't address the O line, then Bradford's NFL career will be short lived.

Does everyone need to say in chorus "Nobody is saying don't address the online"? I've not heard ONE SINGLE PERSON suggest that we don't need to address the o-line ... not one.

Continuing to speak as though picking a QB as synonymous with ignoring the o-line is not only false, but very transparent.

I get it ... you want Campbell to retire a Redskin. Ain't gonna happen.

Well the only way they can address the OT position without taking one first is if they somehow end up with McNeill, which I find unlikely.

taking Bradford is only going to help the offensive line re-build - they will make damn sure they have people there to take care of him

I would rather use the pick on Okung but what do I know - we do need a better QB than Campbell - no matter what sort of line we have he cannot get the ball deep and his short passes never seem to be over the line of scrimmage

Yea, but where are they going to get the linemen? Not in Free Agency. Not in the draft if they take Bradford, at least as far as good OT's go. If they must take a qb do it in the second round. If they fail to address the line again, you can already mark down 4 automatic losses for next year, because they WILL NOT EVER beat the giants or cowboys with that offensive line.

[VetSkinsFan]

I think the premise for #4 overall QB =bust is that there's not enough of a warm and fuzzy left for the oline this offseason/draft. If Randy Thomas comes back, then we at least need a LT and RT IN THAT ORDER. Heyer is garbage. BM Williams is garbage; if Thomas retires, then if Rinehart can't handle the job, find someone who can. BUILD THE BASE which is the line on both sides of the ball. Once the holes on the O line are addressed, then we need a DT, LB, and RB.

I don't expect to see all this addressed all year, but if Heyer is our RT, then it's going to be another looooong year.

[Redskin in Canada]

when you need 4 tires to replace the 4 bad tires you don't get 1 good one - we need to find a bunch of good players not just 1 very good player and 1 good player - we need to get as many players as we can - these guys all have talent we just need a few more of them

IF Snyder's still helping here (like it looks like) then we will definetly use the flashy pick to go along with the flashy new HC - this guy is scum and has not been very honest with us lately from what it looks like anyway

If we spend our first two picks on Okung and Matt Tennant (the best center in the draft and rated 1), we will have replaced two of the tires with the best drafted players at their positions in the country. Only two positions to go-- there are FA's out there. I repeat what I said before. We could conceivably fix the OL in one year. Let's see what Campbell can do with a real OL. If he fails, we grab a first round QB next year. There are no sure thing QB's in the draft this year. Bradford may or may not be able to throw. No more gambling, please.

I believe in a strong and dominant OL. Shanahan has played small OLs in Denver (some might argue with illegal techniques under A. Gibbs). That will never work in the NFC East. I believe that two OL players can be picked in the higher rounds. If we had good personnel guys, we could find a hidden gem in lower rounds. We will see.

I do not believe that Campbell will be here. I do notfeel that the new FO will risk their future on a rookie QB (unless Peyton Manning came out of the draft). So, we will acquire a QB in Free Agency.

So, you guys can rest assured that we will address SOME key positions but not ALL positions. RB and LB will be difficult to find.

[frankcal20]

when you need 4 tires to replace the 4 bad tires you don't get 1 good one - we need to find a bunch of good players not just 1 very good player and 1 good player - we need to get as many players as we can - these guys all have talent we just need a few more of them

IF Snyder's still helping here (like it looks like) then we will definetly use the flashy pick to go along with the flashy new HC - this guy is scum and has not been very honest with us lately from what it looks like anyway

If we spend our first two picks on Okung and Matt Tennant (the best center in the draft and rated 1), we will have replaced two of the tires with the best drafted players at their positions in the country. Only two positions to go-- there are FA's out there. I repeat what I said before. We could conceivably fix the OL in one year. Let's see what Campbell can do with a real OL. If he fails, we grab a first round QB next year. There are no sure thing QB's in the draft this year. Bradford may or may not be able to throw. No more gambling, please.

I believe in a strong and dominant OL. Shanahan has played small OLs in Denver (some might argue with illegal techniques under A. Gibbs). That will never work in the NFC East. I believe that two OL players can be picked in the higher rounds. If we had good personnel guys, we could find a hidden gem in lower rounds. We will see.

I do not believe that Campbell will be here. I do notfeel that the new FO will risk their future on a rookie QB (unless Peyton Manning came out of the draft). So, we will acquire a QB in Free Agency.

So, you guys can rest assured that we will address SOME key positions but not ALL positions. RB and LB will be difficult to find.

If it's not Jason Campbell and it's not a QB through the draft, then who?

Kyle Orton
Tavaris Jackson
Chad Pennington - who's 34 yrs old and 2 bad shoulders
Kellen Clemons
Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers - 35
Kyle Boller, St. Louis Rams
David Carr, New York Giants
Brodie Croyle, Kansas City Chiefs
Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions
Rex Grossman, Houston Texans
Joey Harrington, New Orleans Saints
Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys - 37

[skinsfan#33]

when you need 4 tires to replace the 4 bad tires you don't get 1 good one - we need to find a bunch of good players not just 1 very good player and 1 good player - we need to get as many players as we can - these guys all have talent we just need a few more of them

IF Snyder's still helping here (like it looks like) then we will definetly use the flashy pick to go along with the flashy new HC - this guy is scum and has not been very honest with us lately from what it looks like anyway

If we spend our first two picks on Okung and Matt Tennant (the best center in the draft and rated 1), we will have replaced two of the tires with the best drafted players at their positions in the country. Only two positions to go-- there are FA's out there. I repeat what I said before. We could conceivably fix the OL in one year. Let's see what Campbell can do with a real OL. If he fails, we grab a first round QB next year. There are no sure thing QB's in the draft this year. Bradford may or may not be able to throw. No more gambling, please.

I believe in a strong and dominant OL. Shanahan has played small OLs in Denver (some might argue with illegal techniques under A. Gibbs). That will never work in the NFC East. I believe that two OL players can be picked in the higher rounds. If we had good personnel guys, we could find a hidden gem in lower rounds. We will see.

I do not believe that Campbell will be here. I do notfeel that the new FO will risk their future on a rookie QB (unless Peyton Manning came out of the draft). So, we will acquire a QB in Free Agency.

So, you guys can rest assured that we will address SOME key positions but not ALL positions. RB and LB will be difficult to find.

If it's not Jason Campbell and it's not a QB through the draft, then who?

Kyle Orton
Tavaris Jackson
Chad Pennington - who's 34 yrs old and 2 bad shoulders
Kellen Clemons
Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers - 35
Kyle Boller, St. Louis Rams
David Carr, New York Giants
Brodie Croyle, Kansas City Chiefs
Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions
Rex Grossman, Houston Texans
Joey Harrington, New Orleans Saints
Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys - 37

Throw a blanket over them. They're all the same. Orton is the best of the group (yes, better than JC), but your point is taken. There really isn't a lot of QB tallent out there (or here).

[frankcal20]

Personally, I would pick up a QB late in the draft myself. After doing some research online since my last post, I was able to find out that Mike Shanahan's offense is more or less a Run Heavy Vertical West Coast Offense - which I'm not sure is best for Jason Campbell. If Shanahan were to modify it to fit JC's skill set, then we may have something but in all honesty, I doubt it. The only one on that list that is familiar with the WCO is Jackson only b/c I think that's what I think they are running in Minnesota. I also don't think they are going to let him get away b/c I doubt Brett Favre will be back.

[CanesSkins26]

Personally, I would pick up a QB late in the draft myself. After doing some research online since my last post, I was able to find out that Mike Shanahan's offense is more or less a Run Heavy Vertical West Coast Offense - which I'm not sure is best for Jason Campbell. If Shanahan were to modify it to fit JC's skill set, then we may have something but in all honesty, I doubt it. The only one on that list that is familiar with the WCO is Jackson only b/c I think that's what I think they are running in Minnesota. I also don't think they are going to let him get away b/c I doubt Brett Favre will be back.

What good is a late round qb going to do? I mean, everyone likes to talk about Tom Brady and sure there are some other examples, but late round qb's are generally very raw or are lacking in physical skills. You don't draft a qb in the late rounds expecting him to amount to anything. You're basically filling roster spots and rolling the dice on a late round qb and that's not what we need right now.

[frankcal20]

Just looking at the Free Agency list I posted above, I can find more examples of available 1st or 2nd round picks that have bounced around the league than later round guys. There just is no point in putting a kid behind an offensive line that is either broken or being put back together only to mentally ruin him. There are a few of them on this list that's careers were ruined b/c they were drafted on a team with a terrible offensive line and they never recovered after going elsewhere.

[skinsfan#33]

There are a few things about those type of passes

1. He couldn't throw deep because the took out the 5 and 7 step drops which allow the receivers time to get open downfield.

2. The type of offense we run - WCO is predominantly a short passing game. It's premise is to run after the catch. Sure there are different versions and examples with players like DeShawn Jackson who regularly get open deep but again, not many guys with his speed and route running ability - especially on this team. Also, those plays take time to develop. Something this offensive line didn't do on a consistent basis.

No one is talking about JC not having many chances and he didn't have a ton, but he turned down a lot that he had, waited too long on others, didn't find the open guy, and when he did have protection and the reciever was WIDE OPEN he often missed.

Heck, in what might be his final pass as a Redskin, HE MISSED THE ENTIRE FIELD!!!!!

He has got a big arm but is slow at reading defenses and is a terrible down field passer. Can he get better with more protection and a system better fit to his strengths, OF COURSE HE CAN. Will he ever be an elite QB? No stinking way. Will he ever be a top ten QB? Doubtful. Could he progress into a top 15 QB? Most likely.

Ratahan has a history of getting the best out of a QB. He did it with Elway, with Steve Young, Brian Griese, and Jake Plummer. Now JC will never be in the Young or Elway league, but he could develope into a Griese or Plummer.

As much as the thought make me ill I am for drafting an elite OT over a rookie QB with a lot of questions and keping JC (if we can). I'm really not in love with any of the QBs in this draft. If we could get Tebow in the second round then I would be OK with that. If not draft 5 OL, because that is all of the draft picks we have.

Drafting a stud OT in the top 5 is one of the safest picks you can make, but hitting on an elite OT isn't as rewarding as hitting on an elite QB. Look at Samuals. I would say we hit on him, how well did that pay off? We could have drafted Tom Brady (in many rounds). Heck Chad Pennington might have helped us more!

Now OTs aren't with out risk. The Skins biggest first round bust ever is easy and no it isn't Heath Shuler, it is Andre Johnson, OT from PSU. Never even dressed a single game for the Skins. I don't think he ever played an NFL game.