Redskins to Pick 4th in the NFL Draft

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:31 am

Per Matt Terl, the Redskins are picking 4th in the first round and will alternate with the Chiefs after that (i.e. Chiefs pick 4th in 2nd and the Redskins 5th).

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:44 am

trade it for a late 1st and mid 2nd?

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:51 am

SKINFAN wrote:trade it for a late 1st and mid 2nd?

No, I think we need the talent that a #4 pick could bring in. We could snag the best OT on the board, for example.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:52 am

Irn-Bru wrote:
SKINFAN wrote:trade it for a late 1st and mid 2nd?

No, I think we need the talent that a #4 pick could bring in. We could snag the best OT on the board, for example.

If he's available you think they'll grab Suh?

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:54 am

I really don't want Sam Bradford, but ESPN already projected him to us. I'd rather trade down and pick up Dan LeFevour than take Sam Bradford. He's injured goods. I want Eric Berry if he falls to us or CJ Spiller. I know it's high for CJ Spiller, but we need explosion on offense, and that is CJ Spiller who I'm crossing my fingers has a bit of Chris Johnson in him.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:55 am

langleyparkjoe wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:
SKINFAN wrote:trade it for a late 1st and mid 2nd?

No, I think we need the talent that a #4 pick could bring in. We could snag the best OT on the board, for example.

If he's available you think they'll grab Suh?

That would be a nice dilemma to have.

Not sure whether we could entertain that kind of move two years in a row, though. Orakpo was the right pick, but can we really afford to keep padding our DL with the holes we have? I don't know. But right now I'd trust Allen to make that call.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:01 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:
langleyparkjoe wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:
SKINFAN wrote:trade it for a late 1st and mid 2nd?

No, I think we need the talent that a #4 pick could bring in. We could snag the best OT on the board, for example.

If he's available you think they'll grab Suh?

That would be a nice dilemma to have. Not sure whether we could entertain that kind of move two years in a row, though. Orakpo was the right pick, but can we really afford to keep padding our DL with the holes we have? I don't know. But right now I'd trust Allen to make that call.

Yea that's true, lightning in a bottle with Orakpo for sure. All I want for Xmas is an offensive line :lol:

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:01 pm

If Suh is available, there will be quite a few teams who will trade up for him. I would hope that we would make the move for a few slots and pick up another 2nd round pick or better yet, another 1st round pick in '10. I think only SF have 2 1st's. There are 3 - right now - starters at tackle in the first round. I'd position ourselves to get one of them.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:01 pm

I agree about wanting to trade down, but its not a given that we're going to be able to do that. And with the possibility of a lockout coming up, teams are probably going to be less likely than ever to trade for that #4 pick and have to pay #4 money.

That Sam Bradford stuff is ridiculous. How can that kid possibly be a #4 pick after this season???

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:06 pm

Redskins nation, today we fired Jim Zorn. I can say it comes overdue, but we're here now. Soon Michael Demetrius Shanahan will grace our hallowed grounds, and begin to asses what is left of the mess that our team has become. He will release players, fire coaches, he will hire new coaches, he will make a decision on Jason Campbell, he will pursue free agents and he will land them, he will rebuild our offense. He'll watch tape and he'll be watching the playoffs, we must be stronger on the oline, we will be.

This is a great day :!:

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:07 pm

He'll be drafted in the 2nd round unless he throws like crazy on his proday.

Even if he does, I think he's an end of the first just based on his inability to stay healthy this season. He doesn't have the prototypical QB size either. He needs to gain about 25 lbs of size overall just to be able to take the hits. Skinny QB's can't play in this league.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:08 pm

Smithian wrote:I really don't want Sam Bradford, but ESPN already projected him to us. I'd rather trade down and pick up Dan LeFevour than take Sam Bradford. He's injured goods. I want Eric Berry if he falls to us or CJ Spiller. I know it's high for CJ Spiller, but we need explosion on offense, and that is CJ Spiller who I'm crossing my fingers has a bit of Chris Johnson in him.

No way Shanahan drafts an rb with the 4th overall pick. I think that we have to go with a pick on offense (either OL or qb). If we go defense, I think we have to go with a corner (i.e. Haden from UF) or linebacker, not a safety or defensive lineman.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:12 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Smithian wrote:I really don't want Sam Bradford, but ESPN already projected him to us. I'd rather trade down and pick up Dan LeFevour than take Sam Bradford. He's injured goods. I want Eric Berry if he falls to us or CJ Spiller. I know it's high for CJ Spiller, but we need explosion on offense, and that is CJ Spiller who I'm crossing my fingers has a bit of Chris Johnson in him.

No way Shanahan drafts an rb with the 4th overall pick. I think that we have to go with a pick on offense (either OL or qb). If we go defense, I think we have to go with a corner (i.e. Haden from UF) or linebacker, not a safety or defensive lineman.

Haden's pretty dag gone good.. waaaaaaaaaay better than that guy from Auburn :wink:

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:12 pm

I agree Canes but I hope that we pass on a QB that early in the draft just b/c we need starters on the oline or dback.

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:14 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:Redskins nation, today we fired Jim Zorn. I can say it comes overdue, but we're here now. Soon Michael Demetrius Shanahan will grace our hallowed grounds, and begin to asses what is left of the mess that our team has become. He will release players, fire coaches, he will hire new coaches, he will make a decision on Jason Campbell, he will pursue free agents and he will land them, he will rebuild our offense. He'll watch tape and he'll be watching the playoffs, we must be stronger on the oline, we will be.

This is a great day

With any luck (and thinking the way Snyder does) Shany has already assesed the players and the situation here, the ground work has prolly been done and he's whittling down his list as we speak. He will hit the ground at Ashburn running. I hpe

PAPDOG67 · Post by **PAPDOG67** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:27 pm

After watching last night's game its hard to argue us not taking an OL. The Jets OL was in shambles just a few short seasons ago....then in one draft they got Ferguson for LT and Mangold for C, and they signed Faneca, and now they're just blowing teams off the ball at will. I know CINN didn't look to enthused to play last night, but that was the top rushing D that the Jets threw all over the field last night. The re-confirmed it for me that we must rebuild the O-line first. Take Okung with the 4th pick, or trade down for more picks and take the guy Davis from Rutgers. We can get a QB later.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:28 pm

frankcal20 wrote:I agree Canes but I hope that we pass on a QB that early in the draft just b/c we need starters on the oline or dback.

If Shanahan becomes coach I have no doubt that we draft a qb in the first or second round. He is going to want a qb to develop. I think it was you in the other thread that posted something to that affect. We could probably grab a solid qb in the second round though so I could see us drafting Okung or Haden in the first. If it's me I look at Claussen, Haden, and Okung with that first pick. Okung, imho, is overrated but he is the best there is this year. Just don't like the idea of drafting a lineman with a top 10 pick from the Big 12. None of those teams played any sort of real defense this year so I'm not sure how much Okung was tested. A mediocre LT would look great playing against those defenses.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:34 pm

Call me crazy but I would really look at the Senior Bowl. If we have a chance to coach it, I would be there in a heartbeat. I don't think it's possible because we'd have to have everyone in place before hand and it's offered to the #1 and #2 teams first. So if we can, be there to get hands on evaluation of some guys.

I've never been a fan of drafting a QB in the 1st round until all the pieces are in place. Having a rookie at QB is going to need everything to be near perfect. I think that if you don't have a vet playing while you rebuild, you are just wasting a pick b/c the rookie QB will get gun shy and never reach his full potential. Its not just a gut feeling, it's based off of history at the position over the last decade or so. David Carr coming out of Fresno State was the best QB I had seen next to Phillip Rivers in a long time. That guy got killed in Houston while they built their line. After about 10 years, they are now finally seeing some success after essentially ruining the guys career. They would have been better served to us his pick on a lineman and bring in a vet to take the lumps while the team gets things worked out.

But that's just my opinion.

PAPDOG67 · Post by **PAPDOG67** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:43 pm

frankcal and CanesSkins very good points from both of you. This draft is the deepest one in a long while, that's why I wouldn't mind trading down and aquiring more picks......or if we could unload LL for a 2 or 3 I would have no problem taking that kid Berry with the 4th pick then going OL.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:49 pm

Some think that this is a very weak draft. I don't know that yet because there has not been much evaluation or players declaring. I think that we will see a lot of juniors come out now if there is to be a rookie salary cap though.

I think that with the 4th pick, there will be enough players available that trading down may be a really good idea. There are 3 tackles ranked in the 1st round right now and I'm sure that one or two more will pop up once all the declarations have been made and the players have gone through the drills, etc at the scouting combine. As long as we show that we are flexible in the draft and identify a few players, we'll be successful. Getting stuck on one guy isn't going to do us any good.

I feel like Mike Shanahan used to trade a lot of picks and move around the draft quite a bit. It's going to be fun on draft weekend though.

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:51 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Smithian wrote:I really don't want Sam Bradford, but ESPN already projected him to us. I'd rather trade down and pick up Dan LeFevour than take Sam Bradford. He's injured goods. I want Eric Berry if he falls to us or CJ Spiller. I know it's high for CJ Spiller, but we need explosion on offense, and that is CJ Spiller who I'm crossing my fingers has a bit of Chris Johnson in him.

No way Shanahan drafts an rb with the 4th overall pick. I think that we have to go with a pick on offense (either OL or qb). If we go defense, I think we have to go with a corner (i.e. Haden from UF) or linebacker, not a safety or defensive lineman.

You don't always draft for needs, but sometimes for best overall. If Eric Berry falls, you have to take him and then just deal with the problem that comes with two legit studs in Landry and Berry and three good backups with Moore, Horton, and Doughty.

Sadly, I agree with you on Spiller. I doubt Shanahan takes him. If we don't pick up Spiller, then I really would like to see us take Dexter McCluster in the second round. Dexter McCluster is a freaking animal. Aside from McFadden, Felix Jones, and Percy Harvin, McCluster is the best offensive football player I've seen in this conference in atleast the past 5 years. People will say "OMG! He's only 170 pounds! He'll break!", but the guy was touching the ball between 25-30 times over the entire second half of the season. He could help us as an RB, WR, and as a returner. He's just a flat out football player. Fast as hell.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:57 pm

See, you drank the Vinny cool-aid. Vinny's idea of not drafting for need is the #1 reason why we are in this position we are in right now. With our team in the shambles we are in right now. The only thing you can do is draft on need. Once you have your needs met, then you can draft best available to make upgrades to positions that are already set.

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:02 pm

No, Vinny drafted like an idiot. His first round picks were always fine, his Chris Cool

ey pickup was good in the 3rd, and his second round in 2008 is paying off, but otherwise the guy just utterly failed as a draft pick after the first day. Aside from Kedric Gholston, Chris Horton, and Anthony Montgomery, I don't remember a single non-first day pick making an impact for us.

Regardless, my early wish list says anyone but Bradford in the first and then Dexter McCluster in the second round.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:08 pm

There are 3 tackles ranked in the 1st round right now and I'm sure that one or two more will pop up once all the declarations have been made and the players have gone through the drills, etc at the scouting combine.

It's Okung or bust for us in the first round as far as LT is concerned. There are far too many question marks with the other two projected first round tackles, Trent Williams and Anthony Davis. Both of them have upside, but given where we are on the talent front, we need to be taking players that are more of a "sure thing" than either of those two.

Willams gets the slight edge over Davis due to his consistency, however, he hasn't fared as well since moving from right to left tackle this year and may never develop into an effective starting left tackle in the NFL. He can still quickly emerge as an effective starter on the right side.

Davis is the most intriguing prospect of the three and actually has the most upside. There has even been some internal debate in Scouts Inc. to move Davis ahead of Williams, but his inconsistent play and character concerns have prevented that from happening.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4744685&name=nfl_draft

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:13 pm

Anthony Davis looks like Tarzan but often plays like Jane.