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Paralis wrote:I just told you. Campbell had the better day. More TDs, equal completion percentage, higher YPA, didn't take any sacks. His rating was a 111.9, fwiw.

On the season, Campbell's playing better this year than last year, and that's without the running game propping him up. I just don't think that's a D effort by any objective standard. If we're giving grades, today I give Campbell an A-, and a C+ on the season. Just because I want to see more doesn't mean what he's showing isn't good.


You will never convince people on this board the JC is not the problem despite that he has no running game, no offensive line, poor coaching and a very poor GM putting the pieces together. It is misplaced to pin the frustrations of this season on Campbell. I hope he is back next year, Zorn too so long as Vinny C is gone.
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cleg wrote:
Paralis wrote:I just told you. Campbell had the better day. More TDs, equal completion percentage, higher YPA, didn't take any sacks. His rating was a 111.9, fwiw.

On the season, Campbell's playing better this year than last year, and that's without the running game propping him up. I just don't think that's a D effort by any objective standard. If we're giving grades, today I give Campbell an A-, and a C+ on the season. Just because I want to see more doesn't mean what he's showing isn't good.


You will never convince people on this board the JC is not the problem despite that he has no running game, no offensive line, poor coaching and a very poor GM putting the pieces together. It is misplaced to pin the frustrations of this season on Campbell. I hope he is back next year, Zorn too so long as Vinny C is gone.


I would be on board with that. I do wonder who would call the plays though. If I had a vote - Sherm would call it (OC not the consultant).
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btw - I would be very surprised if Suisham is kicking for us this week - you cannot miss that kick and it is worse that he's missed at least 1 other critical kick already :shock:


Why would you think this? He has lost numerous games in the last two years and they have not cut him - they even had a better kicker in camp and kept this punk.
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riggofan wrote:
ATX_Skins wrote:Jason Campbell D Time and time again you have shown us that when we need you the most you cannot perform. Today was no exception. Made some decent throws but again even wide open recievers you can't hit in stride. At this point anyone that wants to keep you or has faith in you is dillusional, or such a homer they want Lavar back still....


Yeah 400 yards and 3 TDs, and this NFL analyst says he "made some decent throws".

Give me a freaking break. And you should probably learn to spell "dillusional" before you call anybody delusional.


How did he do in crunch time in the fourth quarter?



Exactly. Also it wasnt 400 yds, closer to 350. 3 TD's yes but 1 very critical interception that everyone seems to have forgotton about. Line looked ok yesterday and the running game did their job. Jason had time to throw all day and when he did he underthrew wide open recievers. I credit Devin Thomas with a great RAC or Ganther would have had a TD and Jason would be looking at 2 TD's.
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ATX_Skins wrote:Jason Campbell D Time and time again you have shown us that when we need you the most you cannot perform. Today was no exception. Made some decent throws but again even wide open recievers you can't hit in stride. At this point anyone that wants to keep you or has faith in you is dillusional, or such a homer they want Lavar back still....


Yeah 400 yards and 3 TDs, and this NFL analyst says he "made some decent throws".

Give me a freaking break. And you should probably learn to spell "dillusional" before you call anybody delusional.


Well Riggo fan, I can admit I had a typo, can you admit you just padded stats for your boy?
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Fair or not, JC often gets compared to Big Ben on this board. Yesterday's highlights the main difference between the two: their performance in crunch time. Big Ben can be awful for the first three quarters and then usually when his team needs him to he comes on strong. With JC it's the opposite. Three and a half quarters of very good football, but it counted most he couldn't get the job done. Unfortunately, that can be said for most of the Skins though.
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The INT was a terrible pass but if you notice, he was getting sacked on the play. Not an excuse but that was one of the few plays where he was pressured and I think that on that play, he should've just took the sack. There were no plays there at all to be made. He couldn't step up, he was still inside the pocket so he couldn't throw it away so he was up the creek without a paddle. Should've taken the sack.
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ATX_Skins wrote:Not fair that you got to edit your post after the fact I already replied. I did however figure something out about you. You either live in Hoodbridge or Manasshole. I moved to Austin a year and a half ago from NOVA. I also see that you are oblivious to a map so I'm also going to let you know that when insulting the fact I'm from Texas at least get the closest team to my city correct, that team would be the Houston Texans. Wait wait....

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I slowed that down for you to read, hope this helped.


It don't matter what team is closest to your city, your in TEXAS...who roots for the Texans lol. You moved to closer to Romo.
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mastdark81 wrote:
ATX_Skins wrote:Not fair that you got to edit your post after the fact I already replied. I did however figure something out about you. You either live in Hoodbridge or Manasshole. I moved to Austin a year and a half ago from NOVA. I also see that you are oblivious to a map so I'm also going to let you know that when insulting the fact I'm from Texas at least get the closest team to my city correct, that team would be the Houston Texans. Wait wait....

H o u s t o n
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c l o s e r
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I slowed that down for you to read, hope this helped.


It don't matter what team is closest to your city, your in TEXAS...who roots for the Texans lol. You moved to closer to Romo.


You mean I would be a Shaub fan? Seriously, it took you an entire day to think that up and you still, STILL managed to find a way to botch an insult.
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CanesSkins26 wrote:Fair or not, JC often gets compared to Big Ben on this board. Yesterday's highlights the main difference between the two: their performance in crunch time. Big Ben can be awful for the first three quarters and then usually when his team needs him to he comes on strong. With JC it's the opposite. Three and a half quarters of very good football, but it counted most he couldn't get the job done. Unfortunately, that can be said for most of the Skins though.


Campbell's last pass was a completion and Sellers fumbled. Campbell didn't make Sellers fumble, he fumbled on his on so for this game you really can't judge his "clutch" in all fairness like you can the Eagles game.
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mastdark81 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:Fair or not, JC often gets compared to Big Ben on this board. Yesterday's highlights the main difference between the two: their performance in crunch time. Big Ben can be awful for the first three quarters and then usually when his team needs him to he comes on strong. With JC it's the opposite. Three and a half quarters of very good football, but it counted most he couldn't get the job done. Unfortunately, that can be said for most of the Skins though.


Campbell's last pass was a completion and Sellers fumbled. Campbell didn't make Sellers fumble, he fumbled on his on so for this game you really can't judge his "clutch" in all fairness like you can the Eagles game.


Thats understandable, but the interception prior was a huge turnover.
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He may have been a bit deflated b/c the defense had just blown the lead yet again after they put 30 on the board and should've won but the defense couldn't close it out.

Don't forget he had just got hit square in the side of his knee on the previous series and given that he was pressured on that play, I'm sure that was in his mind - get the ball out. Terrible throw and should've thrown it away over the receivers head OOB's.
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ATX_Skins wrote:He lost the game. He threw an interception at the most inopprtune time. He choked. His one touchdown can be credited to DT great effort and RAC.

If Campbell had the better day why didnt he win. If I were basing my grades soley on stats for today, yes you would have been right.

However, you have completely missed the point of this thread. Campbell has a D for the year.

When looking at or evaluating Campbell fans need to stop looing at his TD's INT's passing yds. Look to see if he can win games, lead a 2 minute drill, rally the team, put some fire on the field. Drew Brees does all of these things for his team. With 10 seconds on the clock and no time outs the Saints recievers would be confident Brees could score. You cannot say the same about Campbell.

So, Campbell still gets a D on the year.

Just in case you were wondering about the curve, Brees would be getting an A so far because his team clinched the division already.


Brees got two long touchdowns Sunday that were pure gifts, including the game tying touchdown. His stats are misleading. Jason overplayed him by far. As for being a clutch player, Brees is getting too much credit for last Sunday. Anyone in the NFL would have hit the wide open receiver that Landry waved on by, including Campbell.
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ATX_Skins wrote:He lost the game. He threw an interception at the most inopprtune time. He choked. His one touchdown can be credited to DT great effort and RAC.

If Campbell had the better day why didnt he win. If I were basing my grades soley on stats for today, yes you would have been right.

However, you have completely missed the point of this thread. Campbell has a D for the year.

When looking at or evaluating Campbell fans need to stop looing at his TD's INT's passing yds. Look to see if he can win games, lead a 2 minute drill, rally the team, put some fire on the field. Drew Brees does all of these things for his team. With 10 seconds on the clock and no time outs the Saints recievers would be confident Brees could score. You cannot say the same about Campbell.

So, Campbell still gets a D on the year.

Just in case you were wondering about the curve, Brees would be getting an A so far because his team clinched the division already.


Brees got two long touchdowns Sunday that were pure gifts, including the game tying touchdown. His stats are misleading. Jason overplayed him by far. As for being a clutch player, Brees is getting too much credit for last Sunday. Anyone in the NFL would have hit the wide open receiver that Landry waved on by, including Campbell.
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JC choked, just like he's done before. What good is 3 3/4 of awesomeness when you piss it all away with interceptions when your team needs you the most?

It's not like this is the first time people...

Aside from that, he was hobbled on the previously played and prolly should have taken himself out of the game for a series...
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:JC choked, just like he's done before. What good is 3 3/4 of awesomeness when you piss it all away with interceptions when your team needs you the most?

It's not like this is the first time people...

Aside from that, he was hobbled on the previously played and prolly should have taken himself out of the game for a series...


Campbell came through in the clutch numerous times during the course of the game-- it was pressure packed from beginning to end. It was, in fact, nerve wracking. Focus on the interception is missplaced. It was simply a bad play amid many good ones-- Brees also had bad plays. To say he choked is absurd. It's also absurb not to note that he was on the money and starting a good drive in overtime when Seller's ruined it with a fumble.
Some of these postings are so off-base as to be comic. Even as a guy who's never liked Campbell as a player, I'm offended. He's had a fairly decent year, by any reasonable standard-- both Brady and Manning would have lost big time with this joke of an offense. No one to throw to most of the year. Terrible offensive line. A star running back mailing in his performance. The worse playcalling in Redskin history. A coaching staff
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He was tremendously effective last Sunday because he was protected by an Oline led by two unlikely characters--Jones and Williams. Apparently.
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You said that as if I didn't say he had 3 3/4 of awesomeneses, I noticed how well he played but again, what does it matter? When has he taken the game into his hands and won it? He didn't do it a couple of games back, he threw a game losing interception.

I'm just asking him to step up and be a game winning QB.

I've been saying that Thomas and Davis were beasts for a long time and that Zorn was just too dumb not to play them. Sherm will find a way to get Kelly more involved too.
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I agree JC is the type of guy that tries not to lose a game instead of trying to win them, even at Auburn he was a guy that would maintain the game and not make too many mistakes and just make a pass here and there.

I don't think he will ever be the guy that can win a game when it's on the line.

However getting a QB in the first round is very risky. I would try to get Okung in the first round if he is there and if we do go after a QB then Mallett should get some consideration if he enters the draft. Also another guy that may not go high in the draft is Dan LeFevour from Central Michigan. I know he is not a high profile guy but he reminds me of ben roethlisberger.
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BurgundyAndGold wrote:I agree JC is the type of guy that tries not to lose a game instead of trying to win them, even at Auburn he was a guy that would maintain the game and not make too many mistakes and just make a pass here and there.

I don't think he will ever be the guy that can win a game when it's on the line.

However getting a QB in the first round is very risky. I would try to get Okung in the first round if he is there and if we do go after a QB then Mallett should get some consideration if he enters the draft. Also another guy that may not go high in the draft is Dan LeFevour from Central Michigan. I know he is not a high profile guy but he reminds me of ben roethlisberger.


I'm pretty sure that he led them to an undefeated season his Sr. year.

What I find terrible is that JC is that some do not see what he did in the game. He put up 30 points against the 2nd or 3rd best defense in the NFL. Not to mention, they were leading the NFL in turnovers to begin with. With that being said, his INT was at a very bad time in the game but at that point, we had the 10 point lead and if the defense had held them to only one score the rest of the game, we wouldn't be having a problem.

Missing the kick just sucks but what I've seen is us have the lead in the last 3 games with around 5:00 to go. Our defense has given up the game winning score and not closed out the game. Not a good effort by the defense in my opinion on Sunday and that the game was a lot closer thanks to the performance of the guys on Offense.
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Missing the kick just sucks but what I've seen is us have the lead in the last 3 games with around 5:00 to go. Our defense has given up the game winning score and not closed out the game.


An unfair generalization. Against Dallas the defense gave up 7 total points. 6 points by the offense is pathetic. A team should NEVER lose when it holds the opposing team to 7 points.
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And see I would consider the JC INT and the Dallas TD drive to be the same. Something negative at an inopportune time. Those things are going to happen in the game - scoring and turnovers - you just hope that it happens at a time to give your team another opportunity to win the game.

The difference between the two is that JC didn't put up any points in Dallas and this week, we continually gave the defense a 10 pt lead to manage. And it didn't happen. Oh well.
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frankcal20 wrote:
BurgundyAndGold wrote:I'm pretty sure that he led them to an undefeated season his Sr. year.

What I find terrible is that JC is that some do not see what he did in the game. He put up 30 points against the 2nd or 3rd best defense in the NFL. Not to mention, they were leading the NFL in turnovers to begin with. With that being said, his INT was at a very bad time in the game but at that point, we had the 10 point lead and if the defense had held them to only one score the rest of the game, we wouldn't be having a problem.

Missing the kick just sucks but what I've seen is us have the lead in the last 3 games with around 5:00 to go. Our defense has given up the game winning score and not closed out the game. Not a good effort by the defense in my opinion on Sunday and that the game was a lot closer thanks to the performance of the guys on Offense.


Very true he did have an undefeated season his senior year with Brown and Williams as the backs and a great defense. If he had two backs now that were equal to what those guys were in college he maybe very good now.

He did have a great game Sunday I am not going to say he didn't, because he basically outplayed most QB's in the league. I just don't think he is the guy that can consistently do that and put us in a position to win when we have injuries in the backfield like we do now.

I would love to believe he could be the guy to help turn the team around, so that we could worry about other positions in the draft, but I don't see that happening.
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One thing that was pointed out yesterday by Tim Ryan on NFL Radio, and he also was the color analyst on the Fox broadcast, Sunday. He said that JC was given protection on Sunday and his numbers reflect what he can do when given the protection.
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frankcal20 wrote:One thing that was pointed out yesterday by Tim Ryan on NFL Radio, and he also was the color analyst on the Fox broadcast, Sunday. He said that JC was given protection on Sunday and his numbers reflect what he can do when given the protection.


The Saints have the 22nd ranked pass defense and were missing both starting corners. It's not like JC lit up the Jets defense. A qb can't only be good when he isn't under pressure. That's simply unrealistic.
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cleg wrote:
btw - I would be very surprised if Suisham is kicking for us this week - you cannot miss that kick and it is worse that he's missed at least 1 other critical kick already :shock:


Why would you think this? He has lost numerous games in the last two years and they have not cut him - they even had a better kicker in camp and kept this punk.


I don't know - just a little hunch :lol:

I was not happy that they kept him this year either - not so much because he was just a FG kicker but more because he was not that reliable on both kick-offs and FGs - you have to be great at one at least and Suisham was just a decent (not good) FG kicker to me
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