Throw The Rest Of The Season

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:24 am

Let the real GM hire a coach. For that matter, leave Zorn and the current staff. Right now, Zorn looks like a learning head coach, and his biggest fault is that he is not Joe Gibbs: able to hold down Snyder/Cerrato with one hand and coach with the other.

I don't think that Zorn looks like a learning coach at all. To me he is still clueless. ARE continuing to return punts is a perfect example. Our O only started looking better once Zorn was stripped of his play calling duties. He has no business coaching an NFL team.

- Draft OL and more OL.

Easier said than done. Who exactly do you propose that we draft? There isn't a lot of top OL talent in the 2010 draft.

- Ignore the TV entertainment talk about the "franchise QB". Campbell is good enough. Just for fun, consider the great QB Class of '83: Marino, Boomer, Young, Everett, Elway, Kelley. Before the salary cap and free agency evened the conferences, none of the AFC's '83 brand QBs won a SB, and Elway lost three years running, while Kelley lost four years (? did he start the last one, or was it Frank Reich?). Point is, Bart Starr was mediocre until Lomardi put that team together.

It's a different league now that it was in 1983. Today's NFL is built around the pass. Even the rules now favor teams that can throw the ball downfield.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:43 am

Countertrey wrote:Even after todays heartbreaker...

This thread is still bad.

It is awful. The morons who feel that any good player woud want to come here and play for a team which throws games away are just ...

... well ...

(Thinking within the rules)

freaking morons, losers and quitters. :explode:

RedskinsFreak · Post by **RedskinsFreak** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:24 am

I abhor the idea of throwing games.

But I'm still somewhat receptive to the idea that an atrocious record isn't all that bad of a thing.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:34 am

Well this might explain yesterdays loss??

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:59 am

Suisham read this thread and failed ON PURPOSE.

He must be a hero to some around here ...

Gametime33 · Post by **Gametime33** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:00 pm

Put everyone's thoughts together and you have the start of what this team needs to improve.

Hiring a GM does make sense, but nothing this team does will be an instant fix.

Jason Campbell is making a strong case to remain here in Woe is Me Washington.

He completed passes to 9 different seasons, and has found a redzone target in Fred Davis. (when we actually throw it in the redzone)

Can't blame these late losses on the offense.

Suisham is part of the special teams so if you have to point the finger there point it at Danny Smith and then management for not addressing this problem in the offseason.

These are grown men who need to take these late breakdowns as proof they are not as good at they think they are.

Wake up and start over again.

I agree with Caneskin. Draft for o-linemen and then a decent CB.

RBs can be found on the cheap. Don't need to push this button until next year or the year after.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:16 pm

Can't blame these late losses on the offense.

I actually disagree with this. Yes, the defense should have done better late against the Eagles and Saints. However, time and time again we have seen the defense bail out our pathetic offense over the last few seasons. How many times has the offense done the same for the defense?? This is a TEAM game and it's time that the offense, late in the game, step up and actually deliver a win for this team. I mean even the lowly Raiders, against a good Pittsburgh D, with Bruce Don'tKnowHowToSpellHisLastName playing qb, marched down the field late and scored a game winning td. It's absurd to expect the D to constantly come up with stops while at the same time giving the O a pass for CONSTANTLY FAILING to deliver late in game. Campbell isn't clutch, guys like Sellers are unreliable, and in general, nobody on the offense seems willing or able to step up and make a game changing play late.

Gametime33 · Post by **Gametime33** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:57 pm

I agree with you that Jason is not John Elway and is inept at running the 2 minute drill.

But when in these last three weeks has he been given the chance to win it with his arm?

We stop attacking our opponent' secondary and change our approach which in turn stops our scoring stride.

It's not a surprise to me that we don't know how to keep the pressure up.

Jason Campbell and the offense are not the problem.

The playcalling is weak.

Andy Reid calling a on-side kick on the first play of the game indicates to me that no one fears us.

Time and time again the other teams know exactly what our weaknesses are, but we don't seem to retaliate with our own answers.

What would you do with the ball with first and goal at the 3?

I'd doubt your credibility if you ran the ball three times and settled for a field goal.

Suisham sucks on kickoffs and can be blamed for 2 of our last three losses.

Adam Viniatieri's leg started a dynasty.

We aren't talking about Brady the Golden-armed boy without AV's reliability.

It's a shame.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:01 pm

I agree with you that Jason is not John Elway and is inept at running the 2 minute drill.

I'm not expecting him to be John Elway, but don't you think that being able to effectively run a 2 minute offense is a critical part of being a starting qb in the NFL?

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:07 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
I agree with you that Jason is not John Elway and is inept at running the 2 minute drill.

I'm not expecting him to be John Elway, but don't you think that being able to effectively run a 2 minute offense is a critical part of being a starting qb in the NFL?

I would say that the play calling in the 2 minute has been more of the problem than the effectiveness of the offense - well, they are hand in hand. Not going to give JC all the blame but he does bear some of it.

Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:45 pm

RBs can be found on the cheap. Don't need to push this button until next year or the year after.

Franchise RB's are not found on the cheap, we have to groom our next feature back.... CJ Spiller baby

And for those who want to spend a top 5 pick on OL, what lineman are you going to replace next year Samuels Dockery Rabach Williams/Rinehart or Heyer?

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:18 am

But when in these last three weeks has he been given the chance to win it with his arm?

Eh, the Eagles game and the Saints game. Sack on 4th and 10 in Eagles and INT in the Saints on bad judgment.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:50 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Can't blame these late losses on the offense.

I actually disagree with this. Yes, the defense should have done better late against the Eagles and Saints. However, time and time again we have seen the defense bail out our pathetic offense over the last few seasons. How many times has the offense done the same for the defense?? This is a TEAM game and it's time that the offense, late in the game, step up and actually deliver a win for this team. I mean even the lowly Raiders, against a good Pittsburgh D, with Bruce Don'tKnowHowToSpellHisLastName playing qb, marched down the field late and scored a game winning td. It's absurd to expect the D to constantly come up with stops while at the same time giving the O a pass for CONSTANTLY FAILING to deliver late in game. Campbell isn't clutch, guys like Sellers are unreliable, and in general, nobody on the offense seems willing or able to step up and make a game changing play late.

I agree with you that the offense never bails out the defense; however, using the Oakland example isn't really good. Pittsburgh has an awful 4th quarter defense; they've let people score at will on them:

But speaking of things these guys would like to have back, we're making a list, checking it thrice.

They'd like to have back that fourth quarter in Chicago, when they led 14-7 but lost to Jay Cutler, 17-14.

They'd like to have back that fourth quarter in Cincinnati, when they led 20-9 but lost to Carson Palmer.

They'd like to have back that fourth quarter in Kansas City, when they led 24-17 but lost to Matt Cassel.

They'd like to have back that fourth quarter in Baltimore, when they led 17-14 behind a third-string quarterback but lost to Joe Flacco.

And they might like to have this back -- this sourest entry yet on the wish list, a fourth quarter in which they blew three leads -- 10-6, 17-13, and 24-20 -- the last evaporating on a 10-play 88-yard drive in 1:47 by The Great Gradkowski.

The Steelers have thus been outscored 105-78 after the third quarter, including 6-3 in overtime

Gibbs4Life wrote:Franchise RB's are not found on the cheap, we have to groom our next feature back.... CJ Spiller baby

While we have the most expensive RB in the league (Portis), and a mess of an offensive line, we can't afford luxury picks like high 1st rounders on RBs.

And for those who want to spend a top 5 pick on OL, what lineman are you going to replace next year Samuels Dockery Rabach Williams/Rinehart or Heyer?

Samuels may never play again, so yes, he's a candidate. And the only franchise LT in next year's draft will be a top 5 pick.

In any case, if you're still stuck on Spiller, he doesn't look like a top 5 pick. It'd be a huge reach to go for him with our high 1st rounder. That just isn't smart. I'd almost prefer picking Berry over Spiller at that point, if the FO is going to go full-retard in the draft. At least Berry is rated that high, and we have a demonstrable need at FS (though if we draft another safety instead of QB or OL...good lord. It's the Lions and their WRs all over again).