congrats to BMitch - Ring of Fame

[Irn-Bru]

I maybe in the minority on this board, but according to the voters who vote for the HOF, I'm in the majority.

I don't think anyone disputes that.

Steve Tasker is possibly the greatest special teams player in the game, and he made it to the Semis. Ray Guy is the greatest punter and he's never made it in.

If it helps you understand my own viewpoint, I think both of those guys should be in the Hall, as well. And possibly one of the other great return men: Eric Metcalf. But I think his case is less compelling.

And I don't think you have to open the floodgates just to let Mitchell or Ray Guy in. It doesn't cheapen the Hall to put the greatest of all special teams players in there.

[skinsfan#33]

I like BMitch a lot, I just don't think his resume gains him entry to the HOF. All Purpose Yds is a ridiculous stat...it means nothing. If you want an example, here's a list of the last 10 APY Leaders, how many were All-Pro for their year, much less should be thought of as HOF material?

2009 Josh Cribbs (26) 1,080 CLE
2008 Leon Washington (26) 2,337 NYJ
2007 Josh Cribbs (24) 2,312 CLE
2006 Steven Jackson (23) 2,334 STL
2005 Tiki Barber (30) 2,390 NYG
2004 Dante Hall (26) 2,236 KAN
2003 Dante Hall (25) 2,446 KAN
2002 Michael Lewis (31) 2,647 NOR
2001 Priest Holmes (28 2,169 KAN
2000 Derrick Mason (26) 2,690 TEN

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You did last ten years how about career, not just a one time wonder. Here they are:
1. Jerry Rice 23,546 1985-2004 3TM
2. Brian Mitchell 23,316 1990-2003 3TM
3. Walter Payton+ 21,803 1975-1987 chi
4. Emmitt Smith 21,579 1990-2004 2TM
5. Tim Brown 19,679 1988-2004 2TM
6. Marshall Faulk 19,172 1994-2005 2TM
7. Barry Sanders+ 18,308 1989-1998 det
8. Herschel Walker 18,168 1986-1997 4TM
9. Marcus Allen+ 17,654 1982-1997 2TM
10. Curtis Martin 17,430 1995-2005 2TM

How many people on that list are HoF worthy? There are three people already in the HoF below BMitch. Jerry, Emmitt, Marshall, and maybe even Cutis will be enshrine at some time. Ans it wouldn't shock me if Tim Brown made it too. So on that list there are what Walker and BMitch that shouldn't be in.

BMitch was #1 when he retired. Jerry Rice played one more year just to add that "ridiculous" record to his resume.

BMitch and one other person are the only two people in NFL history ever lead the NFL in all-purpose yards four times. That other guy was named Jim Brown!

I'm not saying BMitch is a first ballot guy, but he should be in at some time.

[JansenFan]

I like BMitch a lot, I just don't think his resume gains him entry to the HOF. All Purpose Yds is a ridiculous stat...it means nothing. If you want an example, here's a list of the last 10 APY Leaders, how many were All-Pro for their year, much less should be thought of as HOF material?

2009 Josh Cribbs (26) 1,080 CLE
2008 Leon Washington (26) 2,337 NYJ
2007 Josh Cribbs (24) 2,312 CLE
2006 Steven Jackson (23) 2,334 STL
2005 Tiki Barber (30) 2,390 NYG
2004 Dante Hall (26) 2,236 KAN
2003 Dante Hall (25) 2,446 KAN
2002 Michael Lewis (31) 2,647 NOR
2001 Priest Holmes (28 2,169 KAN
2000 Derrick Mason (26) 2,690 TEN

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You did last ten years how about career, not just a one time wonder. Here they are:
1. Jerry Rice 23,546 1985-2004 3TM
2. Brian Mitchell 23,316 1990-2003 3TM
3. Walter Payton+ 21,803 1975-1987 chi
4. Emmitt Smith 21,579 1990-2004 2TM
5. Tim Brown 19,679 1988-2004 2TM
6. Marshall Faulk 19,172 1994-2005 2TM
7. Barry Sanders+ 18,308 1989-1998 det
8. Herschel Walker 18,168 1986-1997 4TM
9. Marcus Allen+ 17,654 1982-1997 2TM
10. Curtis Martin 17,430 1995-2005 2TM

How many people on that list are HoF worthy? There are three people already in the HoF below BMitch. Jerry, Emmitt, Marshall, and maybe even Cutis will be enshrine at some time. Ans it wouldn't shock me if Tim Brown made it too. So on that list there are what Walker and BMitch that shouldn't be in.

BMitch was #1 when he retired. Jerry Rice played one more year just to add that "ridiculous" record to his resume.

BMitch and one other person are the only two people in NFL history ever lead the NFL in all-purpose yards four times. That other guy was named Jim Brown!

I'm not saying BMitch is a first ballot guy, but he should be in at some time.

[DEHog]

Ray Guy is the greatest punter and he's not in

The greatest punter is already in the HOF!!

[RedskinsFreak]

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Ray Guy is the greatest punter and he's not in

The greatest punter is already in the HOF!!

Add a "post-specialization" qualifier onto Mr. Guy and all is probably a little more accurate.

There's definitely an anti-specialist aspect to the whole HOF process. Only one pure kicker (Stenerud), no punters, no return guys.

[DEHog]

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Ray Guy is the greatest punter and he's not in

The greatest punter is already in the HOF!!

Add a "post-specialization" qualifier onto Mr. Guy and all is probably a little more accurate.

There's definitely an anti-specialist aspect to the whole HOF process. Only one pure kicker (Stenerud), no punters, no return guys.

Agreed I think the commitee is going to have to address it...ST have become such a big part of the game and the great ones should be considered...Just like the closer in baseball the NFL game has very specialized players now....are you going to say no to that pass rusher who just plays on third gowns???

[SkinsJock]

I agree also - the game has changed, the HOF selection criteria needs to get with it

Brian Mitchell should be in the Hall of Fame in my opinion - he was a force

[Wahoo McDaniels]

You did last ten years how about career, not just a one time wonder. Here they are:
1. Jerry Rice 23,546 1985-2004 3TM
2. Brian Mitchell 23,316 1990-2003 3TM
3. Walter Payton+ 21,803 1975-1987 chi
4. Emmitt Smith 21,579 1990-2004 2TM
5. Tim Brown 19,679 1988-2004 2TM
6. Marshall Faulk 19,172 1994-2005 2TM
7. Barry Sanders+ 18,308 1989-1998 det
8. Herschel Walker 18,168 1986-1997 4TM
9. Marcus Allen+ 17,654 1982-1997 2TM
10. Curtis Martin 17,430 1995-2005 2TM

How many people on that list are HoF worthy? There are three people already in the HoF below BMitch. Jerry, Emmitt, Marshall, and maybe even Cutis will be enshrine at some time. Ans it wouldn't shock me if Tim Brown made it too. So on that list there are what Walker and BMitch that shouldn't be in.

BMitch was #1 when he retired. Jerry Rice played one more year just to add that "ridiculous" record to his resume.

BMitch and one other person are the only two people in NFL history ever lead the NFL in all-purpose yards four times. That other guy was named Jim Brown!

I'm not saying BMitch is a first ballot guy, but he should be in at some time.

No offense to BMitch but comparing Jerry Rice or Jim Brown to BMitch is the biggest stretch I've ever heard in my life. I don't know how many time I have to say it....yards from scrimmage are a lot more important than punt and kick return yards...period.

BMitch would routinely return 6 kick-off for 25 yds a pop on that 3-13 Skins team for 150 All Purpose Yds. Is this the same thing as him averaging 150 yds rushing or receiving? The answer obviously is NO. He is the only guy in the Top 10 who got the majority of his yards from return yardage...thus the reason why most people don't even look at All Purpose Yds. You might as well give punters their yardage for each punt and add it to their APY. It's just as arbitrary as giving a kick return 25 yds every time he touches the ball. So why does it matter that he can do it for 15 years in a row averaging 25 yds a kick return. He scored 29 TDs in his career. The stat that matters is Yds from scrimmage (if you are looking at cumulative yardage). What player in HOF who carried the ball on a consistent basis is in the HOF and only accounted for 2 TDs a year?

Nobody else has this conversation. He's not even in the discussion.

[DEHog]

You did last ten years how about career, not just a one time wonder. Here they are:
1. Jerry Rice 23,546 1985-2004 3TM
2. Brian Mitchell 23,316 1990-2003 3TM
3. Walter Payton+ 21,803 1975-1987 chi
4. Emmitt Smith 21,579 1990-2004 2TM
5. Tim Brown 19,679 1988-2004 2TM
6. Marshall Faulk 19,172 1994-2005 2TM
7. Barry Sanders+ 18,308 1989-1998 det
8. Herschel Walker 18,168 1986-1997 4TM
9. Marcus Allen+ 17,654 1982-1997 2TM
10. Curtis Martin 17,430 1995-2005 2TM

How many people on that list are HoF worthy? There are three people already in the HoF below BMitch. Jerry, Emmitt, Marshall, and maybe even Cutis will be enshrine at some time. Ans it wouldn't shock me if Tim Brown made it too. So on that list there are what Walker and BMitch that shouldn't be in.

BMitch was #1 when he retired. Jerry Rice played one more year just to add that "ridiculous" record to his resume.

BMitch and one other person are the only two people in NFL history ever lead the NFL in all-purpose yards four times. That other guy was named Jim Brown!

I'm not saying BMitch is a first ballot guy, but he should be in at some time.

No offense to BMitch but comparing Jerry Rice or Jim Brown to BMitch is the biggest stretch I've ever heard in my life. I don't know how many time I have to say it....yards from scrimmage are a lot more important than punt and kick return yards...period.

BMitch would routinely return 6 kick-off for 25 yds a pop on that 3-13 Skins team for 150 All Purpose Yds. Is this the same thing as him averaging 150 yds rushing or receiving? The answer obviously is NO. He is the only guy in the Top 10 who got the majority of his yards from return yardage...thus the reason why most people don't even look at All Purpose Yds. You might as well give punters their yardage for each punt and add it to their APY. It's just as arbitrary as giving a kick return 25 yds every time he touches the ball. So why does it matter that he can do it for 15 years in a row averaging 25 yds a kick return. He scored 29 TDs in his career. The stat that matters is Yds from scrimmage (if you are looking at cumulative yardage). What player in HOF who carried the ball on a consistent basis is in the HOF and only accounted for 2 TDs a year?

Nobody else has this conversation. He's not even in the discussion.

You have to admit BM is in the converstation...how many other full time STers do you see on that list??

[Wahoo McDaniels]

You have to admit BM is in the converstation...how many other full time STers do you see on that list??

Steve Tasker made it to the semi-finals of the HOF voting and probably is more likely to make the HOF (although not even close to likely). Steve Tasker was a 7 time All Pro at ST. BMitch only was All Pro once. How many HOFers only have one Pro Bowl? BMitch didn't make it out of the opening round. Here are some of the guys on the Semi-Finalist list who made it in front of BMitch (and will be there next year as they didn't make it in this ballot):

Cris Carter, John Randle, Shannon Sharpe, Roger Craig, Terrell Davis, Dermontti Dawson, C, Richard Dent, DE, Chris Doleman, DE/LB, Kevin Greene, LB/DE, Russ Grimm, G, Ray Guy, P, Charles Haley, DE/LB, Lester Hayes, CB, Cortez Kennedy, DT, Bob Kuechenberg, G , Andre Reed, WR, Ken Stabler, QB, Steve Tasker, Special Teams/WR

Plus...the 2010 ballot has Jerry Rice, Emmit Smith, kicker Gary Anderson, wide receiver Tim Brown, quarterback Rich Gannon, running back Eddie George, and cornerback/safety Aeneas Williams.

2011 has Marshall Faulk, Curtis Martin, Jerome Bettis along with Deion Sanders.

You get the picture. The line gets longer not shorter from here. It's like the DMV. BTW, there's a maximum of 7 selections a year.

I don't want to skew the message. I loved BMitch as a player. I love what he does in the community and I've actually met him and think he's a great guy and a great football player and lifelong Skin...but, I can't stand "homer" arguments for guys going to the HOF.

[Countertrey]

I don't want to skew the message. I loved BMitch as a player. I love what he does in the community and I've actually met him and think he's a great guy and a great football player and lifelong Skin...but, I can't stand "homer" arguments for guys going to the HOF.

You keep saying that... yet you repeatedly stick your finger in his eye in a thread intended to honor him, because you don't like something someone said. Whatever...

[Wahoo McDaniels]

I don't want to skew the message. I loved BMitch as a player. I love what he does in the community and I've actually met him and think he's a great guy and a great football player and lifelong Skin...but, I can't stand "homer" arguments for guys going to the HOF.

You keep saying that... yet you repeatedly stick your finger in his eye in a thread intended to honor him, because you don't like something someone said. Whatever...

How am I sticking a finger in his eye? By saying he doesn't deserve to be in the HOF? I said he deserves to be in the Ring of Honor, I said I thought he was a great Redskin, I just differ in opinion on whether he deserves to be in HOF.

This whole thing reminds me of the old SNL sketch with George Wendt where they talk about "Da Bears" and the conclusion they reach in every scenario is the Bears are going to win or Ditka's the best in every scene regardless of whether it makes sense or not.

[Irn-Bru]

How am I sticking a finger in his eye? By saying he doesn't deserve to be in the HOF? I said he deserves to be in the Ring of Honor, I said I thought he was a great Redskin, I just differ in opinion on whether he deserves to be in HOF.

Now that you've made that opinion crystal clear, it might be a good time to gracefully bow out, and maybe give some unqualified congratulations to BMitch. You made it eight words the first time before focusing solely on the HOF discussion.

[Wahoo McDaniels]

I change my opinion. The guy should be in the HOF. In fact they should make a special room for him.

[Redskin in Canada]

I change my opinion. The guy should be in the HOF. In fact they should make a special room for him.

Just next to Joe Gibbs would be fine if you asked Joe himself ...

With so many Redskins ignored, many of whom have had fantastic careers, why does somebody have to express an opinion which appears to diminish a memorable occasion designed to CELEBRATE a player among the Redskin Nation ...

I will never get it. Nagging is embedded in some people's soul.

[PulpExposure]

are you going to say no to that pass rusher who just plays on third gowns???

Perhaps that person belongs in the Hall of Crossdressing?

[skinsfan#33]

are you going to say no to that pass rusher who just plays on third gowns???

Perhaps that person belongs in the Hall of Crossdressing?

PE,
I normally hate it when people bang on posts for typos, but that was funny!

[thedcnative]

Glad to hear! This is much deserved. There should be equal love between the Eagles and Redskins fans during the ceremony. He was a fine ball player.

[Countertrey]

Glad to hear! This is much deserved. There should be equal love between the Eagles and Redskins fans during the ceremony. He was a fine ball player.

I think so... he played proud for the Eagles, as well... and, he's the kind of player even Eagles fans can appreciate.

[Wahoo McDaniels]

I change my opinion. The guy should be in the HOF. In fact they should make a special room for him.

Just next to Joe Gibbs would be fine if you asked Joe himself ...

With so many Redskins ignored, many of whom have had fantastic careers, why does somebody have to express an opinion which appears to diminish a memorable occasion designed to CELEBRATE a player among the Redskin Nation ...

I will never get it. Nagging is embedded in some people's soul.

In a shocking turn of events, BMitch didn't make the Semi-Finals of the HOF balloting....again. Well really not shocking, to me at least. Congratulations to Russ Grimm, you definitely deserve to be in the Hall and the next Skins Head Coach.

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Hall of Fame semifinalists announced

Former Washington Redskins guard Russ Grimm was among 25 modern era semifinalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame announced Saturday.

The NFL's career receiving leader, Jerry Rice, and career rushing leader, Emmitt Smith, headlined the list of semifinalists, which resulted after selectors trimmed a group of 131 preliminary candidates.

Tim Brown and Aeneas Williams joined Rice and Smith in making the list of semifinalists in their first year of Hall of Fame eligibility.

The other semifinalists are former NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue, former owner Art Modell, former coach Don Coryell and former players Cliff Branch, Cris Carter, Roger Craig, Terrell Davis, Dermontti Dawson, Richard Dent, Chris Doleman, Kevin Greene, Ray Guy, Charles Haley, Lester Hayes, Rickey Jackson, Cortez Kennedy, John Randle, Andre Reed, Shannon Sharpe and Steve Tasker.

The list of semifinalists is to be further reduced to 15 modern era finalists in January.

Those finalists, along with seniors committee nominees Dick LeBeau and Floyd Little, will be considered by the media members who serve as Hall of Fame voters during their annual selection meeting on the day before the Super Bowl. Four to seven enshrinees will be elected.

By Mark Maske | November 28, 2009; 2:28 PM ET

[El Mexican]

I change my opinion. The guy should be in the HOF. In fact they should make a special room for him.

Just next to Joe Gibbs would be fine if you asked Joe himself ...

With so many Redskins ignored, many of whom have had fantastic careers, why does somebody have to express an opinion which appears to diminish a memorable occasion designed to CELEBRATE a player among the Redskin Nation ...

I will never get it. Nagging is embedded in some people's soul.

In a shocking turn of events, BMitch didn't make the Semi-Finals of the HOF balloting....again. Well really not shocking, to me at least. Congratulations to Russ Grimm, you definitely deserve to be in the Hall and the next Skins Head Coach.

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Hall of Fame semifinalists announced

Former Washington Redskins guard Russ Grimm was among 25 modern era semifinalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame announced Saturday.

The NFL's career receiving leader, Jerry Rice, and career rushing leader, Emmitt Smith, headlined the list of semifinalists, which resulted after selectors trimmed a group of 131 preliminary candidates.

Tim Brown and Aeneas Williams joined Rice and Smith in making the list of semifinalists in their first year of Hall of Fame eligibility.

The other semifinalists are former NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue, former owner Art Modell, former coach Don Coryell and former players Cliff Branch, Cris Carter, Roger Craig, Terrell Davis, Dermontti Dawson, Richard Dent, Chris Doleman, Kevin Greene, Ray Guy, Charles Haley, Lester Hayes, Rickey Jackson, Cortez Kennedy, John Randle, Andre Reed, Shannon Sharpe and Steve Tasker.

The list of semifinalists is to be further reduced to 15 modern era finalists in January.

Those finalists, along with seniors committee nominees Dick LeBeau and Floyd Little, will be considered by the media members who serve as Hall of Fame voters during their annual selection meeting on the day before the Super Bowl. Four to seven enshrinees will be elected.

By Mark Maske | November 28, 2009; 2:28 PM ET

Congrats to Grimm. He should be in HOF and bet the coach of this team ASAP! It's a no brainer, really.

Back to the subject of this thread.

If you´re going to induct a ST player, you should first consider this dude, who actually played in more Pro Bowls than B Mitch and caused fits to our team:

Vai Sikahema

He should be in HOF of est Names Ever.