Bucs / Redskins POST-game thread

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:21 pm

...but they didn't. Don't you know that we are the REDSKINS and the Ehecatl - God of the wind were with us today.

RayNAustin · Post by **RayNAustin** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:27 am

Some say that Redskin fans are some of the smartest football fans around. None of them have spent any time reading this board.

Campbell, almost single handedly sunk the ship in the first half, making the Bucs look like the 85 Bears. It was embarrassing.

That this short bus riding retard was even in the game in the second half is grounds for firing Zorn on Monday morning.

The only thing we learned today is that there is nothing Campbell can do to get benched. Nothing

ArlingtonSkinsFan · Post by **ArlingtonSkinsFan** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:41 am

RayNAustin wrote:Some say that Redskin fans are some of the smartest football fans around. None of them have spent any time reading this board.

Campbell, almost single handedly sunk the ship in the first half, making the Bucs look like the 85 Bears. It was embarrassing.

That this short bus riding retard was even in the game in the second half is grounds for firing Zorn on Monday morning.

The only thing we learned today is that there is nothing Campbell can do to get benched. Nothing

I hope you have a kid with down sydrome. That is extremely inapropriate

redskins14ru · Post by **redskins14ru** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:56 am

Champsturf wrote:
welch wrote:
The o-line gave Campbell all day to pass. I invite YOU to smack for further analysis of this post

Gentlemen, is it necessary to go to Smack to discuss how the OL played or whether Campbell had time?

My rule-of-thumb is to count three seconds. One-thousand one, one-thousand two...

Three seconds is proper protection. More is good protection probably matched against good defensive coverage. Nobody open.

Under three is only for Sonny Jurgensen, who had the quickest release ever along with Charley Taylor, Bobby Mitchell, and, later, Roy Jefferson.

What caused the interceptions?
Campbell is what caused those INTs. It wasn't pressure, tips, or anything. Just bad passes either into coverage, behind or whatever. They were ALL on Campbell.

For once JC took his shots down field . If not now then he may still be the pump fake and run king... Seeing the look on JCs face today was terrific this early in the season ,,, hopes are that by the end he is releasing those long ones to the correct area where only hte reciever gets it. The most interesting part was the TD to Cool

ey... JC looked great on that one one hell of a throw. In all he may of had the three ints, and there is only 12 games left until playoffs,

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:20 am

I can only draw two conclusions from this game:

1. The Bucs are worse than the Lions and we are between the two.

2. This team cannot score 21 points or more and nothing done today indicated any significant improvement over the performances over the last two weeks.

I am still hopefull that we may get to 8 - 8.

El Mexican · Post by **El Mexican** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:21 am

Had the chance to watch the game.

Don't kid yourselves. We played horrible. We won just because we played the Bucs. They are even worse than us.

Our QB played bad. Those int's were terrible. The O-line made Tampa look like their 2003 version. The offense still has immense problems and most of them are personnel related. I honestly cannot remember when was the last time we scored more than 30 points!

I'm still not sold on our defense. It seems like every week every team exposes a different area of concern.

All in all, the record says it all. We have beaten two of the worst teams in the NFL by a total of 5 points.

That won't take you very deep in December, where it will take a small a small miracle to beat the good teams.

FanofallthatisGibbs · Post by **FanofallthatisGibbs** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:33 am

I am with you RIC.

The positive things I noticed:

1) We stuck with the run. THANK YOU!

2) Because we stuck with the run, play action passing worked big time. Kudos to Zorn on this, although I think we could have done more of it.

3) Pass protection is great.

4) Reed Doughty has earned the start! Great playing by Reed today. Nice to have both a fundamentally sound guy (Reed) and a big play guy (Horton) available depending on situations.

5) We scored a Red Zone TD and a big pass play TD in the same game. It's something to build on for the offense.

6) Defensive scheme - looked like a new team compared to the crap that was called last week in Detroit. Nice adjustments Blache, you took responsibility and made the necessary changes to put our guys in position to win.

So yes, there are plenty of negatives, but some of these things above show that the team from the coaches to the personnel are making the adjustments to be a better team. I hope this trend continues so that we can compete against our rivals and not get humiliated in conference play.

FanofallthatisGibbs · Post by **FanofallthatisGibbs** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:39 am

One comment about Portis. Everyone this year keeps asking for Mason or Alridge or some fast young guy. I am still a big fan of Portis and today showed how much he can still be effective. The run blocking is much more the problem than Portis' health or age. His biggest weakness as he ages is that he cannot run through tackles very effectively. Probably only has 1-2 more years, but he is still a top 10 back in this league IMO. You put him behind Minnesota's O-line and I bet he looks nearly as good as Adrian Peterson.

so.il.SKINSFAN · Post by **so.il.SKINSFAN** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:36 am

Any optimism I had left for JC is completely gone after this game.

Those long balls into double coverage was pure bush league..this guy needs to get out of the NFL.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:32 am

Well any Monday when we win and the Boys lose is a good Monday!!

LORD GIBBS · Post by **LORD GIBBS** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:38 am

[quote="welch"]...and to start, I'll say that I am dancing for the win, but apprehensive about Campbell's three INTs and fumble.

Did anyone who saw the game -- I didn't -- find reasons for the INTs? Like receiver misses catch, pops ball into air, or receiver runs wrong route?

That's a lot of interceptions.

Still, a win is better than...(you finish it)

I really Dont mine the ints This means that we are finally taking some chances showing some balls.

RedskinsFreak · Post by **RedskinsFreak** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:16 am

The biggest moments of angst I had in the first half were in his continued inability to see wide-open receivers.

I know you want to spread the ball around but the Bucs' best position was corner -- Barber and Talib -- with middlin' linebackers.

Cool

ey should have caught 10 balls yesterday.

roybus14 · Post by **roybus14** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:23 am

ArlingtonSkinsFan wrote:
RayNAustin wrote:Some say that Redskin fans are some of the smartest football fans around. None of them have spent any time reading this board.

Campbell, almost single handedly sunk the ship in the first half, making the Bucs look like the 85 Bears. It was embarrassing.

That this short bus riding retard was even in the game in the second half is grounds for firing Zorn on Monday morning.

The only thing we learned today is that there is nothing Campbell can do to get benched. Nothing

I hope you have a kid with down sydrome. That is extremely inapropriate

You both are insensitive and callous. Ray for just being mean and you for firing back with hoping someone's child has down syndrome.

That's the problem with alot of people in this country. You aren't personally affected by having a child or a close relative with a special need so you don't care and it's a joke to call people retard and talking about the short bus. You are adding to the nasty bias in this society. One day it's this, the next day it's race, the next day after it's sexism, etc....

Do yourselves and society a favor and put more thought into what you say before you say it....

markshark84 · Post by **markshark84** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:32 am

ArlingtonSkinsFan wrote:
RayNAustin wrote:Some say that Redskin fans are some of the smartest football fans around. None of them have spent any time reading this board.

Campbell, almost single handedly sunk the ship in the first half, making the Bucs look like the 85 Bears. It was embarrassing.

That this short bus riding retard was even in the game in the second half is grounds for firing Zorn on Monday morning.

The only thing we learned today is that there is nothing Campbell can do to get benched. Nothing

I hope you have a kid with down sydrome. That is extremely inapropriate

Wow. I used to teach special needs children and must say that not only is that completely inappropriate, but this statement is the worst I have ever heard on this board. And this is coming from someone that has very thick skin.

RayNAustin was extremely out of line and made himself look like a fool for writing that, but wishing someone had a child with downs is horrendous. Both of you should do some research on the condition and when you wipe away your ignorance maybe then you'll realize how dumb you all sound.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:37 am

HEROHAMO wrote:Coming off a loss to Detroit? Well I will take it. A win is a win in this league. You can never take any team for granted.
We should be happy. I just think that most are still pretty angry that we lost to the Lions. Fact of the matter is the Lions have a decent offense that can put up points.

So we eek out a win. It is still improvement. The weaknesses on the Oline are evident now more then ever. Still if we can get Campbell to get us three or more touchdowns a game we will start winning more convincingly.

Hey JC is getting better. No he is not a world beater at the moment. I do see improvement. So I think they will build on that.

I'm sorry HH - i understand that you are trying to look at things positively but I am not angry or upset about losing to the Lions - they are a pretty good team - what really concerns me is not that we have lost 2 games it's that we have looked so bad in winning (or losing) - the team has looked bad on both sides of the ball.

I don't know about you, but I expected a better effort from our defense this year and what we have seen the past 3 games is not even close - please explain where that statement is wrong

we have just played 3 teams that we should have been competitive with and definetly could have won, but we just managed to win 2 of them and we only managed 3 FGs against one of the worst teams in the NFL this year - are you saying that this team is playing as well or better than you think they can? are you happy with how this team has played defensively so far? are you satisfied or happy with how the offense has played?

we are not a good team but this team is not playing as well as they should and any effort to play better is just not there - I am hoping we can win another game this week but the way this team is playing I just hope we get lucky again because we are not a team that looks like they want to be the better team on the field

roybus14 · Post by **roybus14** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:55 am

markshark84 wrote:
ArlingtonSkinsFan wrote:
RayNAustin wrote:Some say that Redskin fans are some of the smartest football fans around. None of them have spent any time reading this board.

Campbell, almost single handedly sunk the ship in the first half, making the Bucs look like the 85 Bears. It was embarrassing.

That this short bus riding retard was even in the game in the second half is grounds for firing Zorn on Monday morning.

The only thing we learned today is that there is nothing Campbell can do to get benched. Nothing

I hope you have a kid with down sydrome. That is extremely inapropriate

Wow. I used to teach special needs children and must say that not only is that completely inappropriate, but this statement is the worst I have ever heard on this board. And this is coming from someone that has very thick skin.

RayNAustin was extremely out of line and made himself look like a fool for writing that, but wishing someone had a child with downs is horrendous. Both of you should do some research on the condition and when you wipe away your ignorance maybe then you'll realize how dumb you all sound.

THANK YOU!!!! =D>

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:00 am

CanesSkins26 wrote:Don't forget that the Bucs missed two field goals too. They make those and we lose the game.

I don't think this is true. Obviously the whole game changes if they made those kicks.

But I don't think it's obvious that we lose. The way the Skins controlled that second half, I'm pretty confident rather that they still win, even if it takes an additional few points to do so.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:35 am

This game was the last straw ... I lost interest in the season folks. Although I will still watch every time I can, I will not follow the team as close this season as I did in the past.

Spending time watching and following the Skins has always involved some kind of sacrifices to stop doing other things with the family and even do some good volunteer work on Sundays. Time to change priorities and I know you guys are tired of me pointing a finger to those at the FO mainly accountable for this mess. I do not feel that I should come here to release my frustration.

Peace brothers and sisters.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:50 am

Paralis wrote:
RayNAustin wrote:The o-line gave Campbell all day to pass. I invite YOU to smack for further analysis of this post

Yeah. They looked great giving up two sacks in the first three offensive snaps of the game.

Kudos to Buges for whatever he said to settle Heyer and Rinehart down, but Campbell's only getting a lot of time when the other team's rushing three or we're in max-protect. There's just a limit to what scheme can do when the players are losing individual matchups.

The first of those two sacks was on JC for holding the ball for too long. More importantly, however, JC had more than enough time to throw the ball yesterday. Not sure if you watch the Steelers/Chargers game last night, but both Big Ben and Rivers were under pressure all game long and still made plays and put points up on the board. JC, with his slow decision making and painfully slow release, is garbage and makes the others on offense worse.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:07 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:This game was the last straw ... I lost interest in the season folks. Although I will still watch every time I can, I will not follow the team as close this season as I did in the past.

Spending time watching and following the Skins has always involved some kind of sacrifices to stop doing other things with the family and even do some good volunteer work on Sundays. Time to change priorities and I know you guys are tired of me pointing a finger to those at the FO mainly accountable for this mess. I do not feel that I should come here to release my frustration.

Peace brothers and sisters.

totally understand RiC - take care and hopefully you and yours have a great time together

I know you'll keep an eye on things here :wink:

all the best - looking forward to better times with you back here

peace be with you

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:16 am

You can't blame all the sacks on JC. The sack with the fumble, he had no where to go. This is coming from the commentator's on a replay - 7 step drop, had pressure on the front side. JC stepped up and then got hit from behind. Samuels blocked him right into JC.

On that play, you have to hang that one on the line. But JC needs to do a better job securing the ball - we all know thats an issue.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:29 am

That's the thing - it's not all on this player or that player or that coach - it's a team that is not playing well together and the players do not seem to be playing with a sense of urgency or passion

In my opinion it is not a person - it looks to me like a group of talented players trying to play the game as well as they can but there just does not seem to be any accountability or leadership here - good teams find a way to win and look like they deserve the victory - we seem to be a team that is just going through the motions

after yesterday's game I felt let down - we need a culture change, big time

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:32 am

we need leaders, for instance look at Denver, they were in disarray on defense. They had the talent but couldn't put it together. They get a vet Dawkins and they instantly look good and fierce.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:38 am

They also got Mike Nolan who's a VERY UNDERRATED d-cord.

Who knew Elvis Dummerville would be playing as well as he is. I thought he would have been cut at the end of last year.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:39 am

SkinsJock wrote:That's the thing - it's not all on this player or that player or that coach - it's a team that is not playing well together and the players do not seem to be playing with a sense of urgency or passion

In my opinion it is not a person - it looks to me like a group of talented players trying to play the game as well as they can but there just does not seem to be any accountability or leadership here - good teams find a way to win and look like they deserve the victory - we seem to be a team that is just going through the motions

after yesterday's game I felt let down - we need a culture change, big time

Lack of talent among both players and particularly coaches.