Bucs / Redskins POST-game thread

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:34 pm

welch wrote:...and to start, I'll say that I am dancing for the win, but apprehensive about Campbell's three INTs and fumble.

Did anyone who saw the game -- I didn't -- find reasons for the INTs? Like receiver misses catch, pops ball into air, or receiver runs wrong route?

That's a lot of interceptions.

Still, a win is better than...(you finish it)

Reason for INTs - Campbell threw bad passes.

jdubya · Post by **jdubya** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:34 pm

#1- I am thankful we won

#2- Campbell sucks. 3 picks and a fumble- it's amazing we won considering that alone. There is no way anyone can justify his play or consider him a winner at QB. Regardless of how many games he has played.

#3- Albert Haynesworthless- I am glad we pissed away $41 M for him to play 50% of the snaps. Ser- what a waste.

#4- Everyone is playing for Zorn's job. They won't succeed.

#5- I was not happy that fans were booing in the first 2 minutes of the game. at least give them a half before you start to trash your own team.

Californiaskin · Post by **Californiaskin** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:51 pm

yep i think campbell sucked it up today........the 3 pics were atypical......couple of nice td throws and some good plays with his feet......and the 4-2 to cooly was sweet.......Haynesworth worth every penny cuz draws double teams and occupies a lot of our opponents game planning time.........portis playeed his best game of the year today

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:56 pm

jdubya wrote:
#3- Albert Haynesworthless- I am glad we pissed away $41 M for him to play 50% of the snaps. Ser- what a waste.

It is absurd how much time he spends on the sidelines.

Californiaskin · Post by **Californiaskin** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:05 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
jdubya wrote:
#3- Albert Haynesworthless- I am glad we pissed away $41 M for him to play 50% of the snaps. Ser- what a waste.

It is absurd how much time he spends on the sidelines.

dude had injured glute today.....right? dude was gassed last week cuz d out there all day with the lions

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:17 pm

Californiaskin wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
jdubya wrote:
#3- Albert Haynesworthless- I am glad we pissed away $41 M for him to play 50% of the snaps. Ser- what a waste.

It is absurd how much time he spends on the sidelines.

dude had injured glute today.....right? dude was gassed last week cuz d out there all day with the lions

That's two excuses. What excuses do you have for him for the Giants and Rams games?

Californiaskin · Post by **Californiaskin** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:19 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Californiaskin wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
jdubya wrote:
#3- Albert Haynesworthless- I am glad we pissed away $41 M for him to play 50% of the snaps. Ser- what a waste.

It is absurd how much time he spends on the sidelines.

dude had injured glute today.....right? dude was gassed last week cuz d out there all day with the lions

That's two excuses. What excuses do you have for him for the Giants and Rams games?

not excuses.....dudes sub in and out to stay fresh....prettty normal....especially big fat guys

Gnome · Post by **Gnome** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:24 pm

Face it - barely beating two of the three worst teams in the league, one with a qb making his first start, and losing to the worst team for the past decade equals one fact - Dan and Vinny have built a lousy team.

Kinda feels like we're right back where Spurrier left off. I'm more of a cynic than most, but I'm kind of getting to a point that I know what I'm getting with Dan and Vinny after a decade with them, and it is what it is.

My team sucks. I'll keep rooting but no way I'm buying any more merch. The stands looked 1/4 empty - were there a lot of no shows?

Californiaskin · Post by **Californiaskin** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:28 pm

any body attend the lavar arrington rally against Snyder thing today?

Gnome · Post by **Gnome** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:42 pm

Lavar held a rally? Funny. It's also odd how many ex-players hate Dan.

I'll never forget Jansen's post-game interview with the comcast post game crew after his lions beat the Skins. His gloating smile told the story of a man who stuck to someone he truly hated - Dan seems to inspire that in people who once talked him up as a good guy.

You'd think his ego would be better stroked being the 'great' owner like a Rooney instead of being a bully who can't win anything but money.

He has the money to be like Kraft or Rooney - pay and get out of the way - instead . . . It is what it is.

Californiaskin · Post by **Californiaskin** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 9:48 pm

Gnome wrote:Lavar held a rally? Funny. It's also odd how many ex-players hate Dan.

I'll never forget Jansen's post-game interview with the comcast post game crew after his lions beat the Skins. His gloating smile told the story of a man who stuck to someone he truly hated - Dan seems to inspire that in people who once talked him up as a good guy.

You'd think his ego would be better stroked being the 'great' owner like a Rooney instead of being a bully who can't win anything but money.

He has the money to be like Kraft or Rooney - pay and get out of the way - instead . . . It is what it is.

ya I'm no Dan Snyder supporter but i cant think of many situations where people are positive about their ex bosses after getting fired....

markshark84 · Post by **markshark84** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:02 pm

frankcal20 wrote: BUT HE MUST IMPROVE AND LEARN FROM HIS MISTAKES.

JC is in his 5th year in the league. This should be over. It is embarrassing that this kind of crap is still mentioned. He should be in the peak of his career right now.

THE LEARNING CURVE SHOULD BE OVER.

After this game, and his 4 TOs, it is evident he still is though.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:03 pm

Today was the day. THE DAY that I gave up on Campbell. I am an extremely patient man. I let him have plenty of time. But today was the day that broke my patience. He is a back-up in this league, barely.

That first half was some of the WORST QB'ing I have ever witnessed. A fumble on the opening drive that resulted in a TD for the Bucs. Two more pics that were SOOOO ugly. Then, when we're playing with a lead in the 2nd half, and the guy throws another crappy ball for an int. I mean, I can't believe Zorn left him in that game. JC did everything in his power to try and lose the game.

We need a GM because this team is bad. We are in dire need of a new offensive line, new QB, and a new RB, and that's only one side of the ball.

Landry and Carlos are really starting to piss me off. Watching Landry, he can't tackle or cover.

F. Davis is a huge bust

Portis is old and Betts should be cut.

Orakpo is a monster. This dude could be the second coming of Dex

Shout out to Cool

ey, Fletcher, Suisham, Doughty, Horton, Moss (I hate putting him on this list but that double move was pretty sick), Hall, Samuels, Carter, and AH. The effort of these guys won the game for us today.

markshark84 · Post by **markshark84** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:06 pm

chiefhog44 wrote:
That first half was some of the WORST QB'ing I have ever witnessed. A fumble on the opening drive that resulted in a TD for the Bucs. Two more pics that were SOOOO ugly. Then, when we're playing with a lead in the 2nd half, and the guy throws another crappy ball for an int. I mean, I can't believe Zorn left him in that game. JC did everything in his power to try and lose the game.

Actually, every single point that was scored by the Bucs came off a JC TO.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:08 pm

Don't forget his two TD LAZER passes he had. Get credit as well.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:19 pm

Couple other things...Wasn't too pissed at Zorn today. Thought the calls were pretty decent. I don't like the 4th down call to go for it that early in the game from midfield, but not having a punter may have played into that. His game plan was sound. Screens and runs. That's how you beat a shell zone defense. The execution was horrible.

We had 277 total yards. Thats against a team that has allowed 397 yards to the Giants (mostly in three quarters of play), 438 to the Bills (The freakin Bills), and 462 to the Cowboys.

markshark84 · Post by **markshark84** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:19 pm

frankcal20 wrote:Don't forget his two TD LAZER passes he had. Get credit as well.

Were those plays good -- yes they were; the best 2 plays he has had this season. Those were the exact plays that Gibbs envisioned JC making.

BUT, his 4 TOs well trump those plays. JC did not have a good game today. Had we not had those costly TOs, we would have shut them out.

And as far as JC taking chances ---- if the results of his chance taking turn out like they did today, then there is a very logical reason that Zorn holds him back -- and he should continue to do so.

Fortunetely for the Skins, we played one of the very few teams that can't even win when they cause 4 TOs. The Bucs are one of the bottom 3 teams in the NFL -- and we played them very tight.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:20 pm

frankcal20 wrote:Don't forget his two TD LAZER passes he had. Get credit as well.

Every blind squirrel finds an acorn sometimes

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:38 pm

markshark84 wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:Don't forget his two TD LAZER passes he had. Get credit as well.

Were those plays good -- yes they were; the best 2 plays he has had this season. Those were the exact plays that Gibbs envisioned JC making.

BUT, his 4 TOs well trump those plays. JC did not have a good game today. Had we not had those costly TOs, we would have shut them out.

And as far as JC taking chances ---- if the results of his chance taking turn out like they did today, then there is a very logical reason that Zorn holds him back -- and he should continue to do so.

Fortunetely for the Skins, we played one of the very few teams that can't even win when they cause 4 TOs. The Bucs are one of the bottom 3 teams in the NFL -- and we played them very tight.

Well its not like he can't take chances when moss is open downfield like he was today. What he doesn't need to is make dumb throws when there are 5 or 6 db's on the field. JC is usually pretty good with decision making, sometimes painfully so. Today was a bad day for him. Also, Zorn needed to adjust to the TB defense BEFORE the third quarter. It didn't take a genius to see that they were trying to stop JC today, because nobody is afraid of our line/run game anymore. They should have had the screens going a lot earlier, even the announcers caught that.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:43 pm

The problem, brad, is that the Redskins have really never run a consistently good screen pass. Don't know why the Eagles can live off of it and we can never get it going.

I enjoyed this game, and did a lot less hair-pulling and nail-biting. Our problems our obvious but I'm not getting worked up about them. Let's see what these guys can do: today was something positive and they have a chance to build on it. Our problems are obvious, but sitting at 2-2 isn't bad. At least we aren't ruining our season in the first half-dozen games . . . yet.

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:57 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:The problem, brad, is that the Redskins have really never run a consistently good screen pass. Don't know why the Eagles can live off of it and we can never get it going.

I enjoyed this game, and did a lot less hair-pulling and nail-biting. Our problems our obvious but I'm not getting worked up about them. Let's see what these guys can do: today was something positive and they have a chance to build on it. Our problems are obvious, but sitting at 2-2 isn't bad. At least we aren't ruining our season in the first half-dozen games . . . yet.

yea i believe a win is a win. If the defense works out their kinks they could be special. They looked real good today. If the offense can improve enough to the point they are average, things could be ok.

chiefhog44 · Post by **chiefhog44** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:01 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:
I enjoyed this game, and did a lot less hair-pulling and nail-biting. .

I'll tell you what. I tried controlling myself today as well, but man, every time the Bucs QB pulled it down to run, I found myself dropping to the ground on my knees and flopping around until he was tackled. I hate playing elusive QB's.

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:04 pm

chiefhog44 wrote:
Irn-Bru wrote:
I enjoyed this game, and did a lot less hair-pulling and nail-biting. .

I'll tell you what. I tried controlling myself today as well, but man, every time the Bucs QB pulled it down to run, I found myself dropping to the ground on my knees and flopping around until he was tackled. I hate playing elusive QB's.

He looked a little too unsure. On that one play he only had three yards to go, nobody in his way, and still tried to throw till it was too late. They need to tell him to go because he is REAL fast.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:06 pm

That guy is crazy fast. I loved seeing JC run the ball today. I like him doing that week in and week out. More of that will only keep the linebackers up close and maybe open up the zone b/w the lbr's and 2ndary .

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:19 pm

markshark84 wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:Don't forget his two TD LAZER passes he had. Get credit as well.

Were those plays good -- yes they were; the best 2 plays he has had this season. Those were the exact plays that Gibbs envisioned JC making.

BUT, his 4 TOs well trump those plays. JC did not have a good game today. Had we not had those costly TOs, we would have shut them out.

And as far as JC taking chances ---- if the results of his chance taking turn out like they did today, then there is a very logical reason that Zorn holds him back -- and he should continue to do so.

Fortunetely for the Skins, we played one of the very few teams that can't even win when they cause 4 TOs. The Bucs are one of the bottom 3 teams in the NFL -- and we played them very tight.

Don't forget that the Bucs missed two field goals too. They make those and we lose the game.