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Gibbs4Life · Post by **Gibbs4Life** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:40 pm

Free Agency begins , in the past we've heard of phone calls made at
12am, who will we be calling?

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:53 pm

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:23 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Me

Pretty sure the Ravens are finally going to buy your allegiance this time, eh?

:wink:

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:34 pm

PulpExposure wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Me

Pretty sure the Ravens are finally going to buy your allegiance this time, eh?

Now you know darned well nobody can outspend Danny... :wink:

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:40 pm

hall if we do not have him signed yet. That will be our first call.

After that, I think we are going to speak with someone like Eric Pears. He was trained in the Bronco's system which is the zone run scheme. I believe thats what we use.

But it will be interesting.

vwoodzpusha · Post by **vwoodzpusha** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:11 pm

Jason Brown, the center from the Ravens....

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 5:39 pm

to take Raybach's place or for depth?

andyjens89 · Post by **andyjens89** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:02 pm

frankcal20 wrote:to take Raybach's place or for depth?

i would think they move one of those guys to guard and let kendall leave

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:08 pm

How about Shane Lechler and Rob Bironas for starters? How nice would it be to go into a season with two solid kickers for the whole season?

I like the Jason Brown mention, but think we need Guards and Tackles more. So I'd be interested to see the price tags of Stacy Andrews and Vernon Carey. Andrews especially would be a good fit. Big, likes the right side, can play guard or tackle, I think has started every game for 5 years.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:10 pm

fleetus wrote:How about Shane Lechler and Rob Bironas for starters? How nice would it be to go into a season with two solid kickers for the whole season?

I like the Jason Brown mention, but think we need Guards and Tackles more. So I'd be interested to see the price tags of Stacy Andrews and Vernon Carey. Andrews especially would be a good fit. Big, likes the right side, can play guard or tackle, I think has started every game for 5 years.

Carey isn't a free agent. The Dolphins signed him to a 6 year $42 million extension.

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:17 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
fleetus wrote:How about Shane Lechler and Rob Bironas for starters? How nice would it be to go into a season with two solid kickers for the whole season?

I like the Jason Brown mention, but think we need Guards and Tackles more. So I'd be interested to see the price tags of Stacy Andrews and Vernon Carey. Andrews especially would be a good fit. Big, likes the right side, can play guard or tackle, I think has started every game for 5 years.

Carey isn't a free agent. The Dolphins signed him to a 6 year $42 million extension.

Not bad. He's getting about 4.5 mil salary this year and 15 mil guaranteed (2.5M for 6 years). I could see Snyder making room to fit Andrews for that kind of money. Not outrageous and he's entering his prime years and he's very reliable.

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 6:40 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:Free Agency begins , in the past we've heard of phone calls made at
12am, who will we be calling?

......ahhhhh GhostBusters? I don't kow, and I don't get it.....

Wahoo McDaniels · Post by **Wahoo McDaniels** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:36 pm

fleetus wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
fleetus wrote:How about Shane Lechler and Rob Bironas for starters? How nice would it be to go into a season with two solid kickers for the whole season?

I like the Jason Brown mention, but think we need Guards and Tackles more. So I'd be interested to see the price tags of Stacy Andrews and Vernon Carey. Andrews especially would be a good fit. Big, likes the right side, can play guard or tackle, I think has started every game for 5 years.

Carey isn't a free agent. The Dolphins signed him to a 6 year $42 million extension.

Not bad. He's getting about 4.5 mil salary this year and 15 mil guaranteed (2.5M for 6 years). I could see Snyder making room to fit Andrews for that kind of money. Not outrageous and he's entering his prime years and he's very reliable.

Lechler and Bironas are locked up.

Bironas - 4 yrs /$12M
Lechler - 4 yr/$12M

Here's the Kickers and Punters who are still out there (with some Pro Experience) as far as I know.

PK John Carney UFA New York Giants Free Agent
PK Jay Feely UFA New York Jets Free Agent
PK Martin Gramatica UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent
PK Tyler Jones UFA Seattle Seahawks Free Agent
PK John Kasay UFA Carolina Panthers Free Agent
PK Mike Nugent UFA New York Jets Free Agent
PK Jason Reda UFA (Cut) Cleveland Browns Free Agent
PK Matt Stover UFA Baltimore Ravens Free Agent
P Chris Hanson UFA New England Patriots Free Agent
P Craig Hentrich UFA Tennessee Titans Free Agent
P Sam Koch RFA Baltimore Ravens Free Agent
P Hunter Smith UFA Indianapolis Colts Free Agent

fredp45 · Post by **fredp45** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:59 pm

I'm sure Chip Loelmiller is still available...BUT, why do we need a kicker? Our kicker is the least of our worries -- we need big guys to block and rush the quaterback. Have good lines and the kicker doesn't matter.

Have a crappy oline and no pass rush and the team sucks! Pretty simple.

The only position I'm okay with us signing in FA or picking in the draft -- besides O and D line is outside linebacker...that's it.

Vinnie has not focused on the lines the past few years and it shows.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:06 pm

I think we are fine at kicker but currently I don't think we have a punter on our roster. Not 100% sure.

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:18 am

Fine at kicker? are you kidding? I agree it isn't the most important position, but since kicker accounts for more scoreboard points than ANY other position AND the Skins haven't had a solid kicker since Lohmiller, it would be a wise 1mil investment to bring in someone.

Suisham had THE WORST FG% of any starting kicker in the NFL last year. 72% :shock:

A decent kicker could easily have been the difference between making the playoffs or not.

djlash · Post by **djlash** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:30 am

[quote="CanesSkins26"][quote="fleetus"]How about Shane Lechler and Rob Bironas for starters? How nice would it be to go into a season with two solid kickers for the whole season?

He re-signed to a multi year deal.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:16 pm

frankcal20 wrote:I think we are fine at kicker but currently I don't think we have a punter on our roster. Not 100% sure.

Fine at kicker? Wow. Our kicker missed more kicks (10) than any other kicker in the NFL last season. We are certainly not fine at the kicker spot and that is an area that without question must be upgraded this off-season.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:54 pm

fleetus wrote:Fine at kicker? are you kidding? I agree it isn't the most important position, but since kicker accounts for more scoreboard points than ANY other position AND the Skins haven't had a solid kicker since Lohmiller, it would be a wise 1mil investment to bring in someone.

Suisham had THE WORST FG% of any starting kicker in the NFL last year. 72% A decent kicker could easily have been the difference between making the playoffs or not.

If we skate in the playoffs b/c of a few 40+ yd FGs, then we've still got things to worry about.

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:29 pm

VetSkinsFan wrote:
fleetus wrote:Fine at kicker? are you kidding? I agree it isn't the most important position, but since kicker accounts for more scoreboard points than ANY other position AND the Skins haven't had a solid kicker since Lohmiller, it would be a wise 1mil investment to bring in someone.

Suisham had THE WORST FG% of any starting kicker in the NFL last year. 72% A decent kicker could easily have been the difference between making the playoffs or not.

If we skate in the playoffs b/c of a few 40+ yd FGs, then we've still got things to worry about.

Not sure what your point is. ?? I haven't seen where anyone suggested that ALL we needed was a kicker. But for roughly 1Mil/yr. you can get a big improvement at kicker. It still takes the 22 men on offense and defense to put us in FG range, but now, we get 3 points instead of handing the ball back to the opponent at the 30 yard line. Makes a significant difference.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:32 pm

fleetus wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
fleetus wrote:Fine at kicker? are you kidding? I agree it isn't the most important position, but since kicker accounts for more scoreboard points than ANY other position AND the Skins haven't had a solid kicker since Lohmiller, it would be a wise 1mil investment to bring in someone.

Suisham had THE WORST FG% of any starting kicker in the NFL last year. 72% A decent kicker could easily have been the difference between making the playoffs or not.

If we skate in the playoffs b/c of a few 40+ yd FGs, then we've still got things to worry about.

Not sure what your point is. ?? I haven't seen where anyone suggested that ALL we needed was a kicker. But for roughly 1Mil/yr. you can get a big improvement at kicker. It still takes the 22 men on offense and defense to put us in FG range, but now, we get 3 points instead of handing the ball back to the opponent at the 30 yard line. Makes a significant difference.

I agree we need a kicker, but do you see anyone on that list who would be a significant improvement for 1 million a year?

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:39 pm

PulpExposure wrote:
fleetus wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:
fleetus wrote:Fine at kicker? are you kidding? I agree it isn't the most important position, but since kicker accounts for more scoreboard points than ANY other position AND the Skins haven't had a solid kicker since Lohmiller, it would be a wise 1mil investment to bring in someone.

Suisham had THE WORST FG% of any starting kicker in the NFL last year. 72% A decent kicker could easily have been the difference between making the playoffs or not.

If we skate in the playoffs b/c of a few 40+ yd FGs, then we've still got things to worry about.

Not sure what your point is. ?? I haven't seen where anyone suggested that ALL we needed was a kicker. But for roughly 1Mil/yr. you can get a big improvement at kicker. It still takes the 22 men on offense and defense to put us in FG range, but now, we get 3 points instead of handing the ball back to the opponent at the 30 yard line. Makes a significant difference.

I agree we need a kicker, but do you see anyone on that list who would be a significant improvement for 1 million a year?

John Carney was third in the NFL in field goal percentage last season, despite playing at the Meadowlands. He only missed 3 kicks during the regular season. Yea he is old but he is a definite upgrade over Suisham.

djlash · Post by **djlash** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:42 pm

We made it into the Super Bowl on Mark Mosley's leg. A good kicker is a must. No one remembers how many games we won by 3 points or less to get us into the Super Bowl. Only that we won. A good kicker is a must.

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:48 pm

Free Agents:

Carney 35-38, 92%
Feely 24-28, 86%
Stover 27-33, 82%
Mike Nugent - was hurt last season, but I think he is young, has a strong leg and would have more upside then Suisham

Our kicker:
Suisham 26-36, 72%

El Mexican · Post by **El Mexican** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:23 pm

It's unbelievable that Stover is still playing.

The dude appears in the original Tecmo Bowl.

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