Bring him back!

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:03 pm

Jags' Williams to be dismissed at the end of the season:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3768691

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:05 am

I wonder why?

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:09 am

Because their defense sucked this year.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:24 pm

I want Marty back.

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:32 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I want Marty back.

Me too... I never wanted him to leave. :lol:

The Danny's biggest blunder to date.

Bob 0119 · Post by **Bob 0119** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:44 pm

JSPB22 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I want Marty back.

Me too... I never wanted him to leave.
The Danny's biggest blunder to date.

I agree with this.

But please pass on Williams. His defenses drove me crazy.

This year has been a little better as we are seeing more man coverage, but more importantly the players are playing the ball!

There's no such thing as bend; don't break. Don't bend, then you don't have to worry so much about breaking!

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:08 pm

Jake wrote:Because their defense sucked this year.

I was being sarcastic. Yes their defense does suck. So, why do we want him back?

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:05 am

The players loved him and liked working for him and Blache.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:56 am

How can having a top 10 defense equate to sucking?

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:39 am

jeremyroyce wrote:
Jake wrote:Because their defense sucked this year.

I was being sarcastic. Yes their defense does suck. So, why do we want him back?

I am also curious - why does a team that is rated the #7 defense against the run, #3 in pass defense, #2 scoring defense and #3 total defense get a "suck" rating? :hmm:

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:45 am

SkinsJock wrote:
jeremyroyce wrote:
Jake wrote:Because their defense sucked this year.

I was being sarcastic. Yes their defense does suck. So, why do we want him back?

I am also curious - why does a team that is rated the #7 defense against the run, #3 in pass defense, #2 scoring defense and #3 total defense get a "suck" rating?

Because according to "true redskin fans" they are supposed to be able to hold every team in the NFL to under 10 points.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:49 pm

I was talking about Jacksonville's defense.

And I take it back, they don't suck. They're mediocre. They're 15th overall in yards allowed per game.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:12 pm

Jake wrote:And I take it back, they don't suck. They're mediocre. They're 15th overall in yards allowed per game.

That'd only matter if yards equated to points.... They rank 7th in points allowed per-game. That's what truly matters. The ONLY thing stopping them from being in the top 5 is that those teams have a passrush/defensive line.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:41 pm

My bad also - I was using the Titans defensive numbers :oops:

I do know that Williams is at Jax but again their defense is not really bad - mediocre is appropriate, but then if you bring in a guy with a rep like Williams, I'm sure they are a little disapointed :shock:

Bob 0119 · Post by **Bob 0119** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:44 pm

The Redskins defense has improved since Williams left.

Scoring
11th in '07
7th in '08

Total Yards Allowed
8th in '07
5th in '08

Jacksonville however has not improved since acquiring Williams

Scoring
10th in '07
19th in '08

Total Yards Allowed
12th in '07
15th in '08

Here's some side by side of the teams and how they've fared with and without Williams.

Interceptions in '07
Jacksonville 4th
Redskins 23rd

Interceptions in '08
Jacksonville 12th
Redskins 15th

Overall Defense in '07
Redskins 8th
Jacksonville 12th

Overall Defense in '08
Redskins 5th
Jacksonville 15th

All of these stats can be verified on NFL.com

So, why is it we want to bring Williams back again?

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:03 pm

Because someone has to be the scapegoat.

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:11 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
jeremyroyce wrote:
Jake wrote:Because their defense sucked this year.

I was being sarcastic. Yes their defense does suck. So, why do we want him back?

I am also curious - why does a team that is rated the #7 defense against the run, #3 in pass defense, #2 scoring defense and #3 total defense get a "suck" rating?

Since acquiring Williams from last off season their defense has gotten worse. Our defense has gotten better. There is a reason why Williams is gone at the end of the year.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 8:29 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I want Marty back.

Captain Choke?

There's a reason he's not employed.

NJ-SKINS-FAN · Post by **NJ-SKINS-FAN** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:54 pm

Bob 0119 wrote:
JSPB22 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I want Marty back.

Me too... I never wanted him to leave.
The Danny's biggest blunder to date.

I agree with this.

x1000000

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:09 am

Countertrey wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I want Marty back.

Captain Choke?

There's a reason he's not employed.

Yeah, he was fired for Norv...

And Marty is too great to not eventually succeed, just like Cowher. He regulary got his teams far into the playoffs, he's not the one executing on the field but I guess that excuse is exclusive to Zorn.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:37 am

Bob 0119 wrote:The Redskins defense has improved since Williams left.

Scoring
11th in '07
7th in '08

Total Yards Allowed
8th in '07
5th in '08

Jacksonville however has not improved since acquiring Williams

Scoring
10th in '07
19th in '08

Total Yards Allowed
12th in '07
15th in '08

Here's some side by side of the teams and how they've fared with and without Williams.

Interceptions in '07
Jacksonville 4th
Redskins 23rd

Interceptions in '08
Jacksonville 12th
Redskins 15th

Overall Defense in '07
Redskins 8th
Jacksonville 12th

Overall Defense in '08
Redskins 5th
Jacksonville 15th

All of these stats can be verified on NFL.com

So, why is it we want to bring Williams back again?

Bob, what did I tell you about logic and facts?

Bob 0119 · Post by **Bob 0119** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:02 pm

Deadskins · Post by **Deadskins** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:18 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
Countertrey wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I want Marty back.

Captain Choke?

There's a reason he's not employed.

Yeah, he was fired for Norv...

And Marty is too great to not eventually succeed, just like Cowher. He regulary got his teams far into the playoffs, he's not the one executing on the field but I guess that excuse is exclusive to Zorn.

Seriously! It's not Marty's fault Earnest Byner fumbled at the one, or Elway went on "The Drive." Marty's been a winner everywhere he's been. He turned us around in one season, but The Danny threw it all away on the old ball coach. He turned the Chargers around, and now, like petulant children, after a couple of playoff losses, they have turned that franchise over to Norval "Team Killer" Turner. Marty's not coaching because he chooses not to. I'm sure he gets contacted often. He's probably waiting for the right offer.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:00 pm

JSPB22 wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
Countertrey wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I want Marty back.

Captain Choke?

There's a reason he's not employed.

Yeah, he was fired for Norv...

And Marty is too great to not eventually succeed, just like Cowher. He regulary got his teams far into the playoffs, he's not the one executing on the field but I guess that excuse is exclusive to Zorn.

Seriously! It's not Marty's fault Earnest Byner fumbled at the one, or Elway went on "The Drive." Marty's been a winner everywhere he's been. He turned us around in one season, but The Danny threw it all away on the old ball coach. He turned the Chargers around, and now, like petulant children, after a couple of playoff losses, they have turned that franchise over to Norval "Team Killer" Turner. Marty's not coaching because he chooses not to. I'm sure he gets contacted often. He's probably waiting for the right offer.

I coundn't agree more. I 've never judged someone on how many rings they have. Marty wins...Billick has a ring, Fassel been to a SB. Gruden won on the heels of Dungy would you take any of them over Marty?? Given time a good coach will win Cowher and Dungy are prime examples. Jeff Fisher is another.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:16 pm

I want Marty back here!!! Oh please fire Zorn and bring Marty back!

I said it and I meant it.