New faces...same ole skins

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Sun May 09, 2004 2:37 pm

RobSkins1, you should be ashamed of yourself. Royoversean comes on here and asks a legitimate question, and all you can do is badmouth him? Show some class man.

I go on to the ESPN boards of other teams all the time and ask questions just like the one Royoversean did because they are good questions that make me a more informed football fan. There is not a better place to get information about the Redskins than theHogs.net, and Royoversean came to the right place if he wants a good answer.

Royoversean, welcome to the board. You're a big man for not stooping to the level of some people here.

To answer your question, I don't know why we aren't in salary cap trouble. It seems that no matter how many big contracts we sign, we never get in salary cap trouble. We just dump and re-work contracts until we can go sign another big free agent. Maybe it will catch up to us eventually, but it hasn't yet.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun May 09, 2004 2:42 pm

Steve Spurrier III wrote: Maybe it will catch up to us eventually, but it hasn't yet.

Acording to the :hmm:

Experts

in about 2 years

but I'll believe it win I see it

davef · Post by **davef** » Sun May 09, 2004 2:57 pm

We won't know until the new TV contracts are negotiated, may never be an issue, may be a big one.. the most important thing is to spend the cap funds WISELY - I live in San Diego and the Chargers spend money, but stupidly... all the better for me, harder for the natives to trash-talk my team.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun May 09, 2004 3:18 pm

IMO the cap is all about HOW you spend the Money not HOW MUCH is spent

They said DS spent too much when he got the team but who was the most profitable team in the league last year :wink:

The Danny is The Danny

ImissRFK · Post by **ImissRFK** » Sun May 09, 2004 4:15 pm

We have probably the best young back in the league in Clinton Portis. Who may I ask does Dallas have in the backfield. Who will be the quarterback in Dallas?. To many unanswered questions and what if's.

GibbSkins · Post by **GibbSkins** » Sun May 09, 2004 4:21 pm

where are your manners people????

he asked a fair question...
this is a Discussion board .....isnt it..???

welcome royoversean./.seanoverroy ..)looks like u spelled your name backwords)

as to the question asked ike075 kinda said it in a nutshel....

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun May 09, 2004 4:55 pm

GibbSkins wrote:where are your manners people????

he asked a fair question...
this is a Discussion board .....isnt it..???

welcome royoversean./.seanoverroy ..)looks like u spelled your name backwords)

as to the question asked ike075 kinda said it in a nutshel....

My Bad

Welcome to the other guy who spells his name backwards...this thread started with a nice subject even from a Fan from That team in Texas

You'll like it here .....us Skins fans love it

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Sun May 09, 2004 5:25 pm

guys - this is an adult fan site - we are adults... attack ideas not people... and that includes calling people idiots... ok?

Now, as to the idea we are going to be in salary cap problems - we might be, but then again, some salary bonuses are two tiered.. the second half doesn't hit if we cut the people beforehand - like Brunell for example. His contract sounds huge, but really most doesn't hit until after 3 years.

Some of these guys will be cut in the long run to save a lot of salary room - what you don't see seanoverroy (yes - I did that on purpose) is that we have 80+ players on our roster and that when we cut a bunch of the camp fodder we will suddenly be several million under the cap since most of the guys to be cut will not have bonus money to hit us.

Why is it that everyone cracks on the Skins for their cap problems? We were 9 mil under before we made any moves what so ever, and the Titans were what, 15 mil over? Not to mention having to get rid of a bunch of good people and still going to be in HUGE salary cap problems next year? How about the Dolphins? The Colts? The Pats? They were all OVER the cap limit this year before they did ANYTHING.

By the way guys... this is the best way to attack - hit em with facts and don't sink to the normal (not you seanoverroy) Puke level of just going "nuh uh you scumbag"

Royoversean · Post by **Royoversean** » Sun May 09, 2004 6:26 pm

Thank (most) you for the welcome! I like this site and wiil continue to chat. As far as I can tell you guys are O.K.

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Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Sun May 09, 2004 7:24 pm

Danny will find a way to balance this cap out. He always does. I don't care what them 'experts' say anymore about us being over the cap. They say that every year and they are wrong every year. If it happens then I'll believe it.

RobSkins1 · Post by **RobSkins1** » Sun May 09, 2004 8:52 pm

Steve Spurrier III get a new name, and dont look down on me casue Iam a hard core skins fan and dont like pukes at all. And if it is true, you can say what you want on this board if its about football or the skins then I dont wanna hear crap from you all on me getting my 2 cents in about what people say

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Sun May 09, 2004 9:00 pm

Smack forum...

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Sun May 09, 2004 9:05 pm

RobSkins1 wrote:Steve Spurrier III get a new name, and dont look down on me casue Iam a hard core skins fan and dont like pukes at all. And if it is true, you can say what you want on this board if its about football or the skins then I dont wanna hear crap from you all on me getting my 2 cents in about what people say

I dont know why some of us feel like heros and want to protect the nasty puke fan. ....I just dont know [-X

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Sun May 09, 2004 9:14 pm

Hello, R.O.S...
I won't argue your name. As of this writing, Roy IS over Sean. Sean has yet to play a single down of NFL football, and only time will tell if Taylor can be his better-than. The odds are very good, though.

I want to apologize for your somewhat rude welcome. We have a lot of passion here. It's an eclectic mix. Doctors, lawyers, laborers, accountants, military men, working Moms, teens and 'tweens, and a Canuck or two. It's impossible to expect to come into a Redskins site and not expect some vitriol; after all, we have had our collective tail handed to us by the-team-whose-name-must-not-be-uttered maybe once or twice the past few years. We're ushering in an "old" new era, and we're full of sunshine and gatorade these days.
Yes, many pundits have us locked into a salary-cap hell, which is projected to culminate in our complete collapse. We don't give a crap, bubba. We're deeply into the here and now, and we are anxiously awaiting the return of Gibbs to the sidelines in an actual game. If you're old enough to remember, the Redskins/C****s was an exciting matchup. Our prediction here is, it will be again.
Welcome to the Hogs.net.

General Failure · Post by **General Failure** » Sun May 09, 2004 9:27 pm

skinsfaninroanoke wrote:Some of these guys will be cut in the long run to save a lot of salary room - what you don't see seanoverroy (yes - I did that on purpose) is that we have 80+ players on our roster and that when we cut a bunch of the camp fodder we will suddenly be several million under the cap since most of the guys to be cut will not have bonus money to hit us.

I always assumed the fodder guys never really counted towards the cap since the cap is based on the salary of the highes paid 53 players (plus signing bonuses and what have you).

treehouz2 · Post by **treehouz2** » Sun May 09, 2004 10:01 pm

welcome royoversean, even though I hate the Cowboys, I love the rivalry
Gibbs vsm Parcells will be awesome

p.s. it should be seanoverroy

kkryan · Post by **kkryan** » Sun May 09, 2004 10:36 pm

skinsfaninroanoke wrote:guys - this is an adult fan site - we are adults... attack ideas not people... and that includes calling people idiots... ok?

Now, as to the idea we are going to be in salary cap problems - we might be, but then again, some salary bonuses are two tiered.. the second half doesn't hit if we cut the people beforehand - like Brunell for example. His contract sounds huge, but really most doesn't hit until after 3 years.

Some of these guys will be cut in the long run to save a lot of salary room - what you don't see seanoverroy (yes - I did that on purpose) is that we have 80+ players on our roster and that when we cut a bunch of the camp fodder we will suddenly be several million under the cap since most of the guys to be cut will not have bonus money to hit us.

Why is it that everyone cracks on the Skins for their cap problems? We were 9 mil under before we made any moves what so ever, and the Titans were what, 15 mil over? Not to mention having to get rid of a bunch of good people and still going to be in HUGE salary cap problems next year? How about the Dolphins? The Colts? The Pats? They were all OVER the cap limit this year before they did ANYTHING.

By the way guys... this is the best way to attack - hit em with facts and don't sink to the normal (not you seanoverroy) Puke level of just going "nuh uh you scumbag"

When one asks a stupid question trying to annoy such as, "Do you guys really think you can win it all in two years before you are in cap hell?", one gets called an idiot!!

gambit187 · Post by **gambit187** » Mon May 10, 2004 12:06 am

John Manfreda wrote:Sean Taylor is going to be twice the player Roy Williams will ever be.

I just had to pull some truth and facts on the whole Roy W VS Sean T. debate

You probably can see the difference between the two players by looking at their college statistics (they each left after their junior season).

Roy had 188 solo tackles and 81 assists
Sean had 130 solo tackles and 58 assists

Roy had 29 tackles for loss and seven sacks
Sean had 11 tackles for loss and one sack

Roy had nine interceptions and four fumble recoveries
Sean had 14 interceptions and no fumble recoveries

Roy had 47 passes broken up
Sean had 28 passes broken up

Roy had no blocked kicks
Sean had two blocked kicks

Also take this into consideration

1. Ed Reed played at Miami.......hummm wonder how many of his Defensive players were drafted in the first round with him. 2 CB's with him

2. Sean Taylor played at Miami....hummmm wonder how many of his defensive players were drafted in the first round. 2 LB's and one DT taken in the first round with him.

3. Roy Williams.....hummmm how many Defensive players were taken from Oklahoma in the first round or second round with him. 0 in the first and second rd

THIS BEING SAID Safeties Like Taylor and Williams need a good front line to aide them. But Williams did it at Oklahoma with no star players. The facts are there from the stats to the draft.

Magoo · Post by **Magoo** » Mon May 10, 2004 12:28 am

Comparing an established pro to a rook whose had three non-contact practices under his belt is palm reader speculation at best.

And it's gospel that it's new faces and same old skins. The Skins that won three Superbowls are back. I love those old skins.

And we'll have to wait for the season to see how these new faces come together for those old skins. But as a nick-picking observer, ready to roll my eyes at the latest deadskins incarnation, I can tell you straight up that this year is different. Nothing about this team has been this tight and buttoned up since 91.

The NFC Beast is back.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Mon May 10, 2004 12:30 am

Dang Gambit.....Thats a very detailed post there. It seems like this Sean over Roy thing is only going to get bigger as the season starts. I just can't wait until this season starts. Then we'll see whose better.

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Mon May 10, 2004 1:52 am

So true General - but what happens if the new talent displaces more expensive old talent in place but not doing anything?

Plus there is still the two tier bonus system that makes sure that the life of a contract is truly only so long - the person either restructures to a friendlier contract or they get cut.

Of course - at 37 Brunell may retire and save us the trouble. We don't know.

Barrow lasting til he is 40? Right. Not a MLB.

some of these problems won't be due to retirement or bonus tiering. some of the problem will go away with the bargaining agreement raising the ceiling on the money, and then the TV contracts will go higher as usual - they are predicting quite a jump.

We could be looking at 90-100 mil after the next two seasons, which could easily solve most teams problems.

I believe that they have a system that is allowing them to overcome cap issues - they said we would be having problems this year - but we didn't - we were 9 mil under.

Go figure - I don't sit in on the meetings - I am guessing like everyone else.

I am betting it won't be as much of a problem in two years as everyone thinks due to the CBA/TV contracts... just a hunch

gambit187 · Post by **gambit187** » Mon May 10, 2004 12:43 pm

Redskins Rule wrote:Dang Gambit.....Thats a very detailed post there. It seems like this Sean over Roy thing is only going to get bigger as the season starts. I just can't wait until this season starts. Then we'll see whose better.

Thank you Redskins Rule, but like most on the board say I only contribute BS and Garbage.

daddywatson · Post by **daddywatson** » Mon May 10, 2004 1:35 pm

Gambit- I personally like having you on the boards. Most of the time your opinions and replies have substance and merit, if only a little bias. But that's to be expected from from cowboys fan. The Redskins/cowboys rivalry has been legendary and well documented. That's what makes this site so great.

We are supposed to welcome open discussion and debate. And when a new voice comes to the boards, it should be welcomed in and not personally attacked and bashed. Which is what has happened here in this thread. Some of the members here need to remember that, even while one persons opinion may not match their own, that is what makes for good discussions. There is a seperate forum for that.

Everyone is(as I understand it)allowed to post, as long as your a registered member. Welcome aboard ROS!!! Hope you enjoy yourself here as much as we do.

General Failure · Post by **General Failure** » Mon May 10, 2004 1:49 pm

skinsfaninroanoke wrote:I am betting it won't be as much of a problem in two years as everyone thinks due to the CBA/TV contracts... just a hunch

New tv contracts bailed out the 49ers the first time they were supposed to go to cap hell.

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