Defense

mastdark81 · Post by **mastdark81** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:37 pm

The defense is obviously playing well again this year and the strength of this team, however we must force more turnovers. You will see more points scored, etc. In fact there's been games that could have been over early if we could have capitalized.

This Lions game, Carlos dropped one, and we didn't pick up two Lions fumbles. It seems to happen very often. The only guys i've seen the past few years that seem to have a knack for recoveries was S.Taylor and now Horton.

Just wanted to point out there's room for improvement on the defensive side as well. Hopefully this second half of the season we'll get them.

MtSherwood7 · Post by **MtSherwood7** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:48 pm

lack of griffin today really hurt our push up the middle. i thought that carter and taylor did OK, but the lions QB was able to step up in the pocket cuz the only pressure was coming from the ends.

we need our pass rush to generate pressure from the ends and tackles if we want to do well against teams with better QBs.

a win is a win.

xhadow · Post by **xhadow** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:52 pm

Does anyone know why Horton is out during so much of the game? I didn't really notice until the Rams game but it seems like hes always around the ball when he is in and as soon as they take him out of the D his position gets exploited.

jmooney · Post by **jmooney** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:53 pm

Everyone is hurting right now, both sides of the ball, we need that bye bad. Not just for the guys who didnt play but, the ones who did as well. Weve played a long stretch here and as violent as our D has been, its showing an effect.

The guys are gonna have to dig deep next week, playing the Steelers in week 8 without a bye in a Monday night game is almost unfair considering we had the longest pre-season too. Steelers offense doesnt impress me though, we match up well, if were healthy and have anything left in the tank, we'll be fine.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:16 pm

xhadow wrote:Does anyone know why Horton is out during so much of the game? I didn't really notice until the Rams game but it seems like hes always around the ball when he is in and as soon as they take him out of the D his position gets exploited.

He was injured today.

jmooney · Post by **jmooney** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:26 pm

Green played fairly well for his first start there, better than I expected anyway.

Hopefully we have Griffin ,Springs and Horton back next week, we're gonna need em. Taylor's likely out since he's having surgery on that calf again on Monday

gibbs4president · Post by **gibbs4president** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:30 pm

Would it be nice for the defense to cause more turnovers? Of course. But they've been outstanding so far. They're 6th in the NFL in yards allowed (278 per game) and 8th in points allowed (18.3 per game).

If the ball bounced differently in a few situations, the defense could have several more turnovers. Either way, considering the injuries to Springs, Taylor, Griffin, and Horton this week, the defense has been much better than expected.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:49 pm

Yeah, get that defense in gear :shock:

give me a break

the defense is ranked in the top 10 and we are saying that the've got to do better - this defense was without some key players today and had some playing who were hurt - they are not spectacular but they are a pretty good defense. :wink:

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:15 am

MtSherwood7 wrote:lack of griffin today really hurt our push up the middle. i thought that carter and taylor did OK, but the lions QB was able to step up in the pocket cuz the only pressure was coming from the ends.

we need our pass rush to generate pressure from the ends and tackles if we want to do well against teams with better QBs.

a win is a win.

Grif is great on the run defense, but we've got no push up the middle regardless of who's in there. We rarely collapse the pocket, with or without Grif.

Cappster · Post by **Cappster** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:40 am

We need to put pressure on the QB and sack him a few times a game. I believe this is a contributing factor as to why we aren't scoring points. We need a short field to work from because 80+ yard drives aren't that easy to come by.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:09 am

Griff, Ant and Golston aren't magically going to turn into good pass rushers because we're wishing it so.

If we want a good rush we'll need to tinker with the line a bit more. We're getting a decent rush around the edges but we don't have a push up the gut. Right now, QB's can step up to avoid the DE's and don't have to worry about having a DT in their face.

We need an upgrade at DT. It's that simple.

SKINFAN · Post by **SKINFAN** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:23 am

When Marcus Wash gets healthy he'll be lining up to blitz and we can generate pressure that way, or when Horton is back we can let Laron loose to do his thing. If Springs is healthy and we the full complement of DB's we should get a few coverage sacks.

USAFSkinFan · Post by **USAFSkinFan** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:01 am

Cappster wrote:We need to put pressure on the QB and sack him a few times a game. I believe this is a contributing factor as to why we aren't scoring points. We need a short field to work from because 80+ yard drives aren't that easy to come by.

Good point. Anybody know what our average starting position is compared to the rest of the league? We've got to be in the bottom half...

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:05 am

USAFSkinFan wrote:
Cappster wrote:We need to put pressure on the QB and sack him a few times a game. I believe this is a contributing factor as to why we aren't scoring points. We need a short field to work from because 80+ yard drives aren't that easy to come by.

Good point. Anybody know what our average starting position is compared to the rest of the league? We've got to be in the bottom half...

While I agree with that. I'd counter by saying that our offense needs to capitalize off of the scoring drives that they do have.

Let's say that we're getting 2 turnovers a game and our offense is doing more of the same...stupid penalties in the redzone, false starts, drops...etc...

We're getting in the redzone, we're just not scoring and the defense can't do that for them regardless if they're giving them extra attempts or not. Sure, if we give them the ball 200 times in a game just by the sheer odds of it, they'd score 30 points eventually.

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I'm just saying. Let's hold the offense accountable for their end of the deal which is to score, they aren't doing it.

The defense is supposed to stop the other team from scoring. They're doing it. If they get picks, that's icing on the cake but it's in no way the defenses fault if WE'RE NOT SCORING.

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:05 pm

SKINFAN wrote:When Marcus Wash gets healthy he'll be lining up to blitz and we can generate pressure that way, or when Horton is back we can let Laron loose to do his thing. If Springs is healthy and we the full complement of DB's we should get a few coverage sacks.

The problem is that there's no BASE push from the front 4. We've blitzed a lot in the past few weeks and it hasn't been that successful. Bottom line, we need a tough DT.

mastdark81 · Post by **mastdark81** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:41 pm

SkinsJock wrote:Yeah, get that defense in gear give me a break

the defense is ranked in the top 10 and we are saying that the've got to do better - this defense was without some key players today and had some playing who were hurt - they are not spectacular but they are a pretty good defense.

Our offense is ranked in the top 10, don't you think we need improvement there? Yeah we aren't spectacular and thats what they should be trying to reach...both sides of the ball and special teams. Super Bowl is what i want...

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:54 pm

mastdark81 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:Yeah, get that defense in gear give me a break

the defense is ranked in the top 10 and we are saying that the've got to do better - this defense was without some key players today and had some playing who were hurt - they are not spectacular but they are a pretty good defense.

Our offense is ranked in the top 10, don't you think we need improvement there? Yeah we aren't spectacular and thats what they should be trying to reach...both sides of the ball and special teams. Super Bowl is what i want...

Offense is ranked 24TH, 24TH, 24TH, 24TH in SCORING, SCORING, SCORING.

24TH IN SCORING.

What good is a billion yards when you only score 6 points? If the offense werent shooting themselves in the foot they'd be decent.

The offenses SOLE MISSION is to score. THey don't do it consistently.

The defenses SOLE MISSION is to stop them from scoring. They do it consistently. AND HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:30 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:The offenses SOLE MISSION is to score. THey don't do it consistently.

That's not exactly right. The offense scores consistently. Field goals... :wink:

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:27 am

PulpExposure wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:The offenses SOLE MISSION is to score. THey don't do it consistently.

That's not exactly right. The offense scores consistently. Field goals...

Wouldn't that be Special Teams? Bailing out the offense for not doing their job? :wink:

USAFSkinFan · Post by **USAFSkinFan** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:36 am

I think this is what we're going to have to live with... If we're not forcing turnovers and getting a short field, then we're going to need 80 yard drives to score... we don't have a quick strike offense... we run and throw short passes... that means it takes 13 plays to get in the endzone... that's a lot of opportunity for something like a sack or a penalty or a turnover or a couple incompletions... which means a lot of punts and field goals compared to touchdowns... that's just who we are...

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:57 am

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:59 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Him or Haynesworth, we need one or the other. Turnovers aren't magic, they're created. Golston and Ant aren't there yet....