CBS sportsline grade Cowboys B and Skins C

[gambit187]

Losing is Losing

if the players you give up draft picks to get are ON the field and playing

vs

Drafting players that dont make the team at all or giving up picks for players to back up players that need to be backups themselfs

who is making the best of there picks?

So with that being said wouldnt it be better to draft a loser and pay him less then to trade the pick and pay a higher priced loser...thats the common sense part.
Either way you are getting a crap shoot......when you bring a new person in whether it be a rookie or established veteran you never know if he will mesh with the team, system or surroundings.

[oafusp]

Gambit...I still don't get it.
I feel like you are a stray puppy lost in the woods.

You are a Cowboy's fans and you hang out at a Redskins site and type away.....and surprise!!! people disagree with you, then you type more...trying to get your point across...um I mean, trying to get your Cowboy point across to a Redskin fan.

Sure you are welcome here, we all think it is actually kind of funny! But I cannot go a week without seeing a thread grow into 3-4 pages because you are going back and forth with someone about something you will NEVEr agree upon (because you are at a Redskins site).

Jeez dude...go chase a parked car or somethin

peace out dude

[1niksder]

Gambit...I still don't get it.
I feel like you are a stray puppy lost in the woods.

You are a Cowboy's fans and you hang out at a Redskins site and type away.....and surprise!!! people disagree with you, then you type more...trying to get your point across...um I mean, trying to get your Cowboy point across to a Redskin fan.

Sure you are welcome here, we all think it is actually kind of funny! But I cannot go a week without seeing a thread grow into 3-4 pages because you are going back and forth with someone about something you will NEVEr agree upon (because you are at a Redskins site).

Jeez dude...go chase a parked car or somethin

peace out dude

Gambit has a point of veiw that most of us dont agree with

the boards for that team in texas doesnt want to hear the truth (they sat this draft out) so he comes here to get the our opinions so he want be in the dark about his team

[skinsfaninroanoke]

What you aren't including in your formula is a college coach with an all college staff (I think all of 4 years NFL experience in all) who didn't adjust ANYTHING because they were too proud.

Also, the facts coming out now point to the fact that they didn't gameplan, they didn't watch film that much and they didn't change. They just thought that what worked with college talent in one of the more highly sought universities would work with the creme de la creme in the NFL where most talent levels are equal from team to team.

Here you have a new coaching staff with more NFL experience than most NFL teams staffs, a group of coaches that are meticulous, game plan like no other and watch more film for more time than three teams put together.

These are men who can maximize the talent they have been handed, rather than force the talent to try and work in a system that seemed doomed from the start.

It's easy when you have 5 WR with good speed going against college teams that AT BEST have 2-3 good DBs. It isn't that easy when you have to pay 5 WR at the pro level when most teams have 3 great dbs and 2 above average dbs for nickel, dime and prevent packages.

The defensive lines are so much better at this level as well....

Figure there are 120 division 1A schools sending 6-7 players on average to the pros. out of those players, only so many make teams for real - probably 1-2. So out of say 720 players going to the pros every year, only the top 120 at most make the pros. Count all the sub par freshman, sophs, juniors and seniors that never have the talent level to get to the pros and you see the percentages.

Does it really surprise anyone that Spurrier, with the level of talent versus other colleges did so well in college and yet sat on his laurels, didn't adjust and failed in the pros?

Factor that in Gambit... then tell me that the people we picked up and the rise in their performance level will make them too expensive... When the quarterback is on national tv saying that he never really knew what to expect, never really had a gameplan, that is bad mojo.

I really hope teams underestimate people like Trung, Morton and Bowen this year ::grin::

I really do.

[Scooter]

I've got Dallas's grade in the -
There used to be an elephant at the zoo that would pull painted basketballs out of a big drum as a 'bingo fundraiser' for the zoo. He was in charge of the Dallas draft board. The Cowboys draft was great! Speaking as a Redskin fan of course... as a fan of the game - they'd be lucky to get a D-. I'm surrounded by Cowboy fans here - and they thought their draft sucked too.

As for the Skins draft - I would've like to have seen 1 defensive lineman. But we did add Corny Griffin and Phil Daniels - plus Noble is coming back from an injury. Taylor is a SUPER pick - who could have gone #1 overall. Juluis Jones might not have been drafted day-one.

Hey - who's this Coles guy?

[hkHog]

Dallas Cowboys
Best pick: Trading down and still getting Notre Dame running back Juluis Jones in the second round was a good move. Jones is a favorite here.

Questionable move: Passing on Virginia Tech runner Kevin Jones in the first round, since he was the guy they wanted. But when Buffalo offered a first-round pick next year to move, they had to make the deal.

How about that for some creative journalism? So the best move the Cowboys made, trading down instead of taking Kevin Jones, is also their questionable move? Yeah ... right ... OK I think I see the logic there ... actually THAT MAKES NO FREAKING SENSE. Hell of a draft when your best move is also your most questionable! I can't believe SpotsLine didn't give them at least an A-. As for the Redskins, what are they thinking drafting a guy who in the same article is referred to as "a Pro Bowl player in a year." I say give 'em an F!

[Scooter]

It had to happen sometime - even Cowboy fans can't stand each other. That's why they end up in other team's chat rooms.

Chad Morton is one of the best return men in the NFL. Anyone with one eye/ 20-200 vision and a third grade education could see that. To say he sucks is just plain stupid. And when your d-line doesn't produce anything - your safety is forced to make plays he wouldn't ordinarily make. While he didn't have a good year - Bowens has plenty of talent and was well worth a 6th round pick.

[gambit187]

It had to happen sometime - even Cowboy fans can't stand each other. That's why they end up in other team's chat rooms.

Chad Morton is one of the best return men in the NFL. Anyone with one eye/ 20-200 vision and a third grade education could see that. To say he sucks is just plain stupid. And when your d-line doesn't produce anything - your safety is forced to make plays he wouldn't ordinarily make. While he didn't have a good year - Bowens has plenty of talent and was well worth a 6th round pick.

Chad Morton had a combined 1 touchdown from Punt and kick off returns. You guys gave up a pick for that, but Dante Hall was drafted in the 6 or 7 round and he had 4 TD’s, Bethel Johnson had 1 TD and he was a 7th round pick. So you guys keep dreaming that giving up picks for established veterans is better then drafting cheaper labor with less wear and tear, and I will keep laughing.

[oafusp]

Chad Morton had a combined 1 touchdown from Punt and kick off returns. You guys gave up a pick for that, but Dante Hall was drafted in the 6 or 7 round and he had 4 TD’s, Bethel Johnson had 1 TD and he was a 7th round pick. So you guys keep dreaming that giving up picks for established veterans is better then drafting cheaper labor with less wear and tear, and I will keep laughing.

Still haven't found your friends huh?
How many return TD's did the Boys have last year....ONE.
Randall Williams.

What else did he contribute to the team?
Was he a 3rd down specialist like Chad Morton?
Did he step in and play hard when teamates got injured like Morton?

NOPE, Randall Williams was a 1 Trick Pony. He could only return kicks and only 2 at that.
So the Cowboys #1 kick returners (Z. Smith/D Ross) had ZERO kick return TD's

While Chad Morton was ranked in the top 10 in returns last year the Cowboys were ranked in the bottom 5.

Why the hell are you arguing about kick returners and how much team's pay for them. You are so simple.
By the way dude, incase you forgot. The JETS matched the Redskins on the Chad Morton deal and even took the Redskins to arbitration over it. Obviously the guy was worth something.

Go worry about your team and what they ARE NOT DOING.

You make me laugh.,.

[Scooter]

You're clueless! 6th round picks rarely make the team these days - I'd wager that the odds are less than 50/50. 7th rounders even less. The Cowboys traded away their pick for a kid that got booted from school and had a yawner of a year for the Irish. I'm through responding to you Cowboy. Just because a jackass nays in a field don't mean you gotta run over an nay back at him... and I did it anyway. It's getting a little too close to the season for my tolerence of your breed anyway - we've basically had our last communication. You're all the same - talk trash, can't back it up and then start smack somewhere else. My bad - should have laughed it off instead of responding to a bandwagon, fake fan.

[hailskins666]

You're clueless! 6th round picks rarely make the team these days - I'd wager that the odds are less than 50/50. 7th rounders even less. The Cowboys traded away their pick for a kid that got booted from school and had a yawner of a year for the Irish. I'm through responding to you Cowboy. Just because a jackass nays in a field don't mean you gotta run over an nay back at him... and I did it anyway. It's getting a little too close to the season for my tolerence of your breed anyway - we've basically had our last communication. You're all the same - talk trash, can't back it up and then start smack somewhere else. My bad - should have laughed it off instead of responding to a bandwagon, fake fan.

ROTFALMAO classic. i'm laughing it off now... thanks scooter.