CBS sportsline grade Cowboys B and Skins C

gambit187 · Post by **gambit187** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:02 pm

See you never go on the Media.......only what your coach and your draft department has done.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7283353

Dallas Cowboys
Best pick: Trading down and still getting Notre Dame running back Juluis Jones in the second round was a good move. Jones is a favorite here.

Questionable move: Passing on Virginia Tech runner Kevin Jones in the first round, since he was the guy they wanted. But when Buffalo offered a first-round pick next year to move, they had to make the deal.

Steal: Don't be shocked to see third-round pick Stephen Peterman on the field before second-round pick Jacob Rogers.

Overall grade: B. Getting a first-round pick in next year's draft was a big plus, but if Kevin Jones becomes a star, they might regret the move.

Washington Redskins
Best pick: Although it might have been better to get Kellen Winslow, they opted for defense and Sean Taylor. He is a Pro Bowl player in a year.

Questionable move: Never having enough draft picks. They had four, but that's never enough.

Steal: Mark Wilson, a fifth-round pick from California, should benefit from playing for offensive line coach Joe Bugel and could develop into a quality player.

Overall grade: C. Based on getting a player of Taylor's quality, even if Winslow was the better choice.

PROBOWL TOM · Post by **PROBOWL TOM** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:06 pm

Dallas gets a B.Talking about a bell curve.I have not heard any Texan here give them a B.Most cowboy fans are still shaking their heads like bubble head dolls at the picks tuna made.

surferskin · Post by **surferskin** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:06 pm

well, with that same logic shouldn't the cowboys have received a lower grade since they didn't even have 1st round pick??

plus, every website that had draft day winner's and loser's section had the cowboys right where they belong...with the LOSER"S! :wink:

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:07 pm

The Cowboys own fans voting at Sportsnation at ESPN.com gave the Cowgirls a big fat F, that tells me more than just one man's opinion.

surferskin · Post by **surferskin** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:09 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:The Cowboys own fans voting at Sportsnation at ESPN.com gave the Cowgirls a big fat F, that tells me more than just one man's opinion.

that is VERY true and wasn't the second most votes for D?

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:20 pm

"that is VERY true and wasn't the second most votes for D?"

Yes, 63,497 people voted in all

32.6% voted F
23.5% voted D
21.7% voted C
14.8% voted B
and lastly
7.1% voted A

That's what, 4,500 votes from Gambit? Wow, that's impressive!

surferskin · Post by **surferskin** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:23 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:"that is VERY true and wasn't the second most votes for D?"

Yes, 63,497 people voted in all

32.6% voted F
23.5% voted D
21.7% voted C
14.8% voted B
and lastly
7.1% voted A

That's what, 4,500 votes from Gambit? Wow, that's impressive!

but according to cowpuke fans julius jones was the back they were hoping for...yeah right :lol:

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:31 pm

surferskin wrote:but according to cowpuke fans julius jones was the back they were hoping for...yeah right

Yeah, I'm sure Cowboys fans were laying awake on Friday wishing and praying for a small rusher with problems holding a football and digesting a playbook to drop into their laps. :lol:

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:35 pm

This gives them credit for trading a pick in THIS DRAFT for a pick next year but it's a negative for us because we signed vets using picks from THIS DRAFT

We have players (proven) to show for the 2nd and 3rd round picks from THIS DRAFT

That team in Texas got to move out of the 1st round in THIS DRAFT
:hmm:

ANT7088 · Post by **ANT7088** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:39 pm

Already posted...
http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4430

gambit187 · Post by **gambit187** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:23 pm

1niksder wrote:This gives them credit for trading a pick in THIS DRAFT for a pick next year but it's a negative for us because we signed vets using picks from THIS DRAFT

We have players (proven) to show for the 2nd and 3rd round picks from THIS DRAFT

That team in Texas got to move out of the 1st round in THIS DRAFT

yeah just like the proven players you have given up picks for already, Bowen, the 4 DT, Chad Mortan, oh and Trung.....LOL

Wingman · Post by **Wingman** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:52 pm

The other team in Texas may have tried to be to cute in their passing on Jackson when they had the chance. Say what you want but unless Orange Julius was saving himself for the NFL, I would say they whiffed twice if you count Jones from FSU.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:48 pm

yeah just like the proven players you have given up picks for already, Bowen, the 4 DT, Chad Mortan, oh and Trung.....LOL

We gave up a 6th round pick for Matt Bowen, a guy who started last year and will again next year. Incidentally, the Cowboys 2003 6th round pick was BJ Tucker... he's with the Steelers now... the actual pick that went to the Packers for Bowen... got dealt to the Eagles and they drafted a guy named Jeremy Bridges who didn't play a game. Gee, what a stupid move it was getting a starting safety for a 6th.

We gave up a 5th round pick for Chad Morton... all he did was solidify our kick and punt return game more than it has been since Brian Mitchell left. What a waste of a 5th round pick... i'm sure we could have got that kind of quality in the 5th round. :roll:

That's why the Jets tried to match but got cheap and shot their toes off on a technicality... wasn't like they didn't agree that it wasn't worth giving him up for the paltry pick. They used the pick to select Derek Pagel. He also played some special teams... dang, and we could have had him instead of that 94 yard kick return for a TD.

Trung I will concede was not really worth the 4th round pick we gave up, but he did play in 11 games, 10 of which he started. The Rams used the pick to select Dejuan Groce... he played some special teams but never started a game. Trung may have not worked out, but you can get UFAs to play STs.

Convenient how you omitted Laveranues Coles though... oh but that would have been too much too expect. You know who Coles is right? You know that we picked him up the same way right? As a RFA? Just curious why he wasn't on your list.

Probably because he finishing behind only Torrie Holt, Randy Moss and Anquan Boldin with 82 receptions for 1204 yards -- just 220 yards less than Galloway and Glenn combined... and that was with an offense that couldn't move the ball.

I look forward to your response.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:51 pm

BossHog wrote:I look forward to your response.

Me too,

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 7:23 am

-- whistling the jeopardy theme song

ANT7088 · Post by **ANT7088** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 7:37 am

Skinsfan55 wrote:
BossHog wrote:I look forward to your response.

Me too,

Me three! I think you may have muted him BH

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 7:38 am

BossHog wrote:-- whistling the jeopardy theme song

BH you are wild. Cmon gamby, gamby, gamby, gamby, gamby :lol:

gambit187 · Post by **gambit187** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:33 am

BossHog wrote:
yeah just like the proven players you have given up picks for already, Bowen, the 4 DT, Chad Mortan, oh and Trung.....LOL

We gave up a 6th round pick for Matt Bowen, a guy who started last year and will again next year. Incidentally, the Cowboys 2003 6th round pick was BJ Tucker... he's with the Steelers now... the actual pick that went to the Packers for Bowen... got dealt to the Eagles and they drafted a guy named Jeremy Bridges who didn't play a game. Gee, what a stupid move it was getting a starting safety for a 6th.

We gave up a 5th round pick for Chad Morton... all he did was solidify our kick and punt return game more than it has been since Brian Mitchell left. What a waste of a 5th round pick... i'm sure we could have got that kind of quality in the 5th round. That's why the Jets tried to match but got cheap and shot their toes off on a technicality... wasn't like they didn't agree that it wasn't worth giving him up for the paltry pick. They used the pick to select Derek Pagel. He also played some special teams... dang, and we could have had him instead of that 94 yard kick return for a TD.

Trung I will concede was not really worth the 4th round pick we gave up, but he did play in 11 games, 10 of which he started. The Rams used the pick to select Dejuan Groce... he played some special teams but never started a game. Trung may have not worked out, but you can get UFAs to play STs.

Convenient how you omitted Laveranues Coles though... oh but that would have been too much too expect. You know who Coles is right? You know that we picked him up the same way right? As a RFA? Just curious why he wasn't on your list.

Probably because he finishing behind only Torrie Holt, Randy Moss and Anquan Boldin with 82 receptions for 1204 yards -- just 220 yards less than Galloway and Glenn combined... and that was with an offense that couldn't move the ball.

I look forward to your response.

Dayum hardly ever get to this forum....Yeah Yeah I know i took too long. Ok you made some vaild points Boss...but

1. Bowen sucks he makes bad decisions by taking lots of wrong angles....it sucks that he will push Ohalete to the bench cause Iffy has a real good upside.

2. Morton sucks...i think this is his last year with the skins.

3. Trung sucked we all know that.

So you guys got 3 guys and gave up 3 picks and paid high dollars for them......or shall i say higher money for people that you could have drafted and kept longer. That way maybe some of that money could have been spread to other area's.

Coles is good so therefore I left him out.....Now even though he had more yards then Galloway and Glenn...it did not help he was and is not superman. You still went 5-11 with him having more yards then Glen and Galloway.

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:42 am

1. Bowen didn't suck. He had a bad scheme under a non adjusting coach, played out of his natural position (since his college days he played SS, but last year FS) and still had 3 int and 2 FF. He played behind a line that didn't protect him or pressure QBs, and a LB corps that went rogue half the time under the same coach that couldn't control them.

2. Morton sucks? this from a guy whose team recruited a QB to return kicks for them? Whatever.

3. Trung rushed for 600 yards with over 5 ypc. He only fumbled once. He had a major high ankle sprain which is a freaking bad injury for a back. I still think he will be a better backup to Portis than most of my brother fans do, but I'm contrary like that I guess

What did Troy do in comparison to make you think that he wasn't a lot worse than Trung?

We gave up a 4th, 5th, and 6th pick. Whoop de do. I hate to tell you this, most teams don't use or keep those picks after they make them. ALL of those guys are contributors, and will be contributors again this year.

What about your 4th, 5th and 6th picks from last year?

Coles is a superman - he did all that on a BUSTED foot... he had an injury for 11-12 games last year and accomplished what he did in SPITE of that.

NC43Hog · Post by **NC43Hog** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:48 am

Amen Brother,

And Gambit - you have to better with your reasoning than just "he sucks", not very descriptive from a man of your amassed talents.

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:57 am

To me, I would rather give up our 4 last picks every year on proven performers... no doubt. These are guys who made it through camps and have done the damn near impossible - made it to start in the NFL.

To me - it is a lot better to do that than to pick up some no namer who has a 5% chance of making the roster... these guys we stole can make the difference in a game and we don't have to guess on that...

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:19 am

I think that SfiR already looked after the football rebuttal of the post, however...

... you make statements like "I wonder if any of you guys will agree with me or will you just not say anything" and yet, when somebody brings NOTHING but pure football to the table, all you can offer is 'they suck' and back away.

About what I expected... 0% football / 100% gambit opinion.

A gambit is actually a 'remark intended to make a telling point'... not the automatic naysaying of others.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 1:20 pm

There's nothing wrong with giving up future picks for proven talent The Team in Texas did that this off season...... :shock:

I forgot that was a baseball player

.....but whats wrong with a baseball player backing up a baseball player :wink:

gambit187 · Post by **gambit187** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 1:30 pm

1niksder wrote:There's nothing wrong with giving up future picks for proven talent The Team in Texas did that this off season...... I forgot that was a baseball player

.....but whats wrong with a baseball player backing up a baseball player

Nothing at all but lets say you get a proven player and you pay him a million dollars a year for 3 years and your team loses. Is that the same as having an unproven player for 3-5 years at less then a million dollars (way less) and still losing.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 1:48 pm

Losing is Losing

if the players you give up draft picks to get are ON the field and playing

vs

Drafting players that dont make the team at all or giving up picks for players to back up players that need to be backups themselfs

who is making the best of there picks?