Best/Worst Personnel moves in Redskin History

genuswine hoglover · Post by **genuswine hoglover** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:26 pm

What are the best and worst trades/drafts/FA pickups in redskin history? (players only--Gibbs and Beathard don't count).

Some obvious options:

Best: FA signing of FA Joe Jacoby
Lachey for Schroeder

Worst:Drafting Desmond Howard
drafting Heath Schuler
FA signing of Deon Sanders

My choices:
Best: Its a tie

1. Sonny Jurgensen for Norm Snead
2. Diron Talbert, Jack Pardee, Mo Pottios, Maxie Baughen, Richie Pettibon, Jeff Jordan, John Wilbur, 71 5th for Marlin Mckeever, 71 1st and 3rd, 72 3rd,4th, 5th,6th,7th (became the core of the over the hill gang)

Worst:
Marlin McKeever (jeez that name keeps coming up) and 68 7th for Paul Krause

Jeremy81 · Post by **Jeremy81** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:48 pm

best draft-sean taylor

worst draft-kellen winslow jr.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 1:57 pm

lol, I can't believe people can't see that Kellen Winslow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sean Taylor, but that is a discussion for another thread and another board, don't mess up this thread with your misguided nonsense, take it to the 2004 draft board

hkiss444 · Post by **hkiss444** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:26 pm

Best move-trade pick for all of New Orleans picks that allowed us to land Champ Baily and Samuals the next year.

Trading up with Dallas to the First round to grab OL Andre Johnson or bringing Vinny Cerrato back to head Player personnel.

genuswine hoglover · Post by **genuswine hoglover** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:33 pm

Hkiss44: did we get both those picks in that deal with NO? If so that deal rates right up there as one of the best. Have to see how the deal works out over the career (add Portis to the mix, since that is now part of the equation).

Your right, Andre Johnson sucked, but not the worst.

Vinny Cerrato? As they used to say in Jeopardy: Remember the category please.[/quote]

gibbsfan · Post by **gibbsfan** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:43 pm

the worst draft desmond howard,along with that other great qb heath shuler.
the worst free agent pickups
1-deon sanders-glad he got what he wanted.
2-bruce smith and i might want to add dana stubblefield in that as well.the alltime nfl sack leader and defensive player of the year really played well in burgundy and gold didn,t they.yeah right.
best draft well hard to say really.there has been some solid drafts not great drafts so i will name a couple players here like maybe lavar arrington,chris samuels fred smoot d mac.and i,m still waiting to see their full potential.the right coaching staff will take care of that problem.
best free agent pickups well i would say lachey ,jacoby.i know there are a few others but i can,t remember at the moment.

but the desmond howard fiasco still sticks in my sides.
glad heath turned out to be the quarterback he thought he was going to be cause evidently the skins didn,t see the other side at the time they drafted him either.

surferskin · Post by **surferskin** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:46 pm

i'd say that sean gilbert was about as bad as it got as well.

i guess you have to say that riggins was the best but i also think wilbur marshall was a great one too.

hkiss444 · Post by **hkiss444** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:51 pm

I didn't read the player part until after posted, sorry about that.

The New Orleans trade included NO's whole draft of picks plus their #1 and #3 for the next year. We traded some of those picks for the Bears to move up to get Champ, the other allowed us to pick Samuals the next year.

genuswine hoglover · Post by **genuswine hoglover** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:56 pm

Suferskin: forgot about Riggins and Marshall. good picks.

Dave Butz was another one. I think we traded, like, two number ones for him. for a couple of years in the 70's that trade was considered a bust (so was Riggins, since Allen wasn't using him as a feature runner--remember Mike Thomas?)
Both turned out to be big time hits though in the 80s

gibbsfan · Post by **gibbsfan** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 3:05 pm

surferskin wrote:i'd say that sean gilbert was about as bad as it got as well.

i guess you have to say that riggins was the best but i also think wilbur marshall was a great one too.

sean gilbert was a bust no doubt about that but for wilbur marshall i enjoyed his skin days -he was all over the place like he was in chicago.sean gilbert on the other hand was terrible .

genuswine hoglover · Post by **genuswine hoglover** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 3:09 pm

Gibbsfan: We didn't get Lachey as an FA, we traded suferboy schroeder for him. That made it extra special.

gibbsfan · Post by **gibbsfan** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 3:27 pm

genuswine hoglover wrote:Gibbsfan: We didn't get Lachey as an FA, we traded suferboy schroeder for him. That made it extra special.

you,re right i guess 11years of misery put me in this state of mind but seriously i was a bit confused at the time i posted that so thanks again for clearing that up for me.i do remember the skins trading more than drafting during gibbs first tenure here.
i also remember jay playing for the raiders after he played here.

Bitter Smuggs · Post by **Bitter Smuggs** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 4:06 pm

Another good one was getting Earnest Byner from the old Cleveland Browns for Mike Oliphant. While Byner was helping us tear up the league in '91, a lot of people were saying that was one of the most one-sided deals in NFL history.

Magoo · Post by **Magoo** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:12 pm

modern era:

coaching:
best - hiring gibbs.
second best - re-hiring gibbs.

worst - firing turner with four games left in a potential playoff season.
second worst - the ol' ball coach.

player:
best - gibbs brining riggins out of retirement.
second best - signing doug williams out of obscurity.

worst - letting stephen davis get away.
second worst - the free agent class of george, deion, smith, and carrier.

old school:

coaching:
best - lombardi, he saved the franchise.
second best - hiring george allen, he continued to build on what vince started.

player:
best - drafting sammy baugh, he changed the game.
second best - bringing in sam huff. he brought cred to the D and we weakend a division rival at the same time.

MEZZSKIN · Post by **MEZZSKIN** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:34 pm

TWO of the best and most unheralded moves were picking up Jumpy Geathers(one best pash rushing dt's ever-THE FORKLIFT!)and Tim Johnson(DT)...If you Skin lovers remember in the late 80's our D-LINE was our weakpoint but these two acquistions solidified our line and gave us a toughness upfront we lacked since the prime days of Butz and Grant..And after viewing the tape a thousand times since Gibbs was signed i can attest to the fact that both players(GEATHERS AND JOHNSON)had outstanding Super Bowls vs Buffalo

funbunchfever · Post by **funbunchfever** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:51 pm

Worst: Trading a 1st round pick to the rams for Sean Gilbert

Best: Trading Sean Gilbert to the panthers for 2 first round picks

ferryrich · Post by **ferryrich** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:59 pm

Draft worst: Andre Johnson - we moved up to get this guy and I don't even remember him suiting up for a game! Seriously, did he ever play a down?

Best draft: the move that got us Champ.

Worst vet personnel move: bringing in Sean Gilbert
Best vet personnel move: getting rid of above

redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:04 pm

worst pesonnel move hiring spurrier!!!!best trade was this year getting portis for champ..champ was not going to stay here and we got a stud who will win more games for us than champ would have.worst free agent class bruce and deion and the rest of the old fart club.best personnel move bringing a real football guy in gibbs.REDSKINZ4EVER!!!!

Smurfskin · Post by **Smurfskin** » Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:50 pm

Worst moves: Deion, Smith, and Stubby.

Best moves: Sean Gilbert for two first rounders...excellent!!!

RedskinsRule56 · Post by **RedskinsRule56** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:29 am

Worst Move- Heath Shuler, Tom Carter its a tie
Also trading up to take Desmond Clark
Best Move- Joe Jacoby, Hiring Joe Gibbs, Drafting Darrell Green

Warmother · Post by **Warmother** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:33 am

Best trade was getting rights to Theisman from Miami.
Best FA was John Riggens.
Best draft was 1981 and getting Mark May, Russ Grimm, Dexter Manley, Charlie Brown and Clint Didier.

Worst trade Desmond Howard
Worst FA Peon Sanders
Worst Draft Heath Shular

genuswine hoglover · Post by **genuswine hoglover** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:51 am

Warmother: Desmond Howard could be a twofer: worst trade and worst draft!

Redskinsrule56: forgot about Tom Carter, that was a bad one.

Another bad first round choice: Anybody remember Bobby Wilson? That was a bad first pick.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:57 am

Tom Carter had a pretty decent career, why all the hate?

Keep Choppin' Wood · Post by **Keep Choppin' Wood** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:37 pm

I'm not sure why this hasn't been mentioned yet:

Best move:

Bobby Mitchell for Ernie Davis, before the '62 season.

(Not Davis's fault - - he died of leukemia before he ever played a down in the NFL).

Worst: Deion.

welch · Post by **welch** » Thu Apr 22, 2004 9:13 pm

As Kepp Choppin said

I'm not sure why this hasn't been mentioned yet:

Best move:

Bobby Mitchell for Ernie Davis, before the '62 season.

(Not Davis's fault - - he died of leukemia before he ever played a down in the NFL).

Yes, Ernie Davis looked to be the next Jim Brown. If he had lived, I think the trade would have been even.

But don't forget that we got both Bobby Mitchell and Lightning Leroy Jackson, who had been the Brown's number 1 pick. As I remember it, the Redskins and the Browns had agreed to the deal before the draft, since the Redskins had the first pick; the Skins told the Browns who to draft.

Jackson was the fastest WR the Redskins had ever had...among the worst hands, worst routes, one of the worst players ever. (As Casey Stengel said, you can look it up!)