WashPost: Postons = No Winslow?

[whomp-em]

i just don't understand why the 'Skins would openly bash the Poston's like this. it's only a matter of time before they want to hire a player that they represent. i read that the Poston's were saying that they treat each contract individually and contract issues for one player won't affect the discussions for another player. while i can't say i believe that 100%, it sure sounds better than the 'Skins basically saying "We don't like dealing with you and won't sign your guys." the Poston's aren't retiring anytime soon and it could come back and bite the team in the butt.

[skinsfaninroanoke]

What I mean is the fact that most contracts have accelerators in them. Look at Lavar's contract. He is costing us next to nothing over the next few years, but in four years his contract escalates to 10 mil + a year. When that happens to a players contract, you see people get cut.

Why not play for a signing bonus and a flat amount rather than having the contract escalate to the point where your value doesn't exceed the value of the contract?

Example:

I get offered a 10 mil signing bonus and a 5 year contract for 30 mil. Most of my contract is back loaded, with me only making like 4 mil in the first two years. The third year is palatable with me making 4 mil plus the prorated signing bonus. But now the team is faced with two years of HUGE hits. 30 - 8 = 22 million they will pay out over 2 years - 11 mil a year plus prorated signing bonus of 2 mil per year.

I will have a cap hit in the final two years of 13 mil a year. No player is truly worth that - and teams are proving my point by releasing people who ask that much.

Now - under my idea - 2 mil a year flat plus the 10 mil signing bonus. 4 mil a year hit. Period. No escalation. Helps me cause I make the full 20 mil. The team doesn't have to worry about my numbers down the road as long as my play remains constant. And actually if I get hurt, I will recieve a compensatory amount based on the remainder of the contract, if I remember correctly.

If I am tagged under the original idea and make a good amount one year but get hurt - I get bupkus. They release me, my NFL career is over and that's that.

Why not ensure that I make 20 mil instead of 10+8... not to mention build a good relationship with my team for being easy to deal with, a good cap number, and help the team with room to acquire some more talent to help make a run at the championship?

These 80-90 mil contracts sound nice, but they are backloaded just like Brunell's. Most of that money will NEVER be paid to Brunell. In essence they offer a long term like that for spreading out the cap hit. That is all there is to it. The huge number is for the agent. He gets a percentage off the total number. But the PLAYER doesn't see most of that money.

If I help my team like I am talking about, the chances of me being on the same team most of my career if not all of it really skyrockets if you think about it.

[Countertrey]

skinsfaninroanoake:

Still, Didier was not a huge pass catcher - not in the way that Winslow's daddy was.

C'mon, dude. My point was, Didier was not in the game because of his blocking skills (though he wasn't bad). That was what Donny Warren was for.

[oafusp]

skinsfaninroanoake:

Still, Didier was not a huge pass catcher - not in the way that Winslow's daddy was.

C'mon, dude. My point was, Didier was not in the game because of his blocking skills (though he wasn't bad). That was what Donny Warren was for.

Didier was the shizzz in Tecmo Bowl!!!!!

[nuskins]

I am very happy things are heading in this direction. KW2 is a complete punk IMO, his attitude is definitely not one Gibbs would be comfortable with. I was watching a couple of Miami games I tivo'ed recently, scouting at the two picks we might take, and I can tell you that IMO Winslow runs his mouth the entire game and seems to be a complete primadonna on the field. He is an outstanding ahtlete no doubt, but I would not like him to be on our team.

[curveball]

The thing that scares me the most about the future of the NFL and agents/contracts is the deal Henson signed with Dallas.

While it's a paltry contract overall, it's the first that I've seen with gauranteed money. Just wait until the other agents review the deal and start pressing for the same type of deal. Only the next time the guarantee won't be for the pittance (in NFL contract terms) that Henson receives three years down the road.

I can see the Postons asking for 8-10 million gauranteed in addition to a large signing bonus for Winslow Jr..

[joebagadonuts]

do you mean that the yearly salaries are guaranteed in henson's contract?

[curveball]

From my understanding, yes they are. Also the last four year's void if he plays 15% of the offensive snaps the first year or 75% any of the next three.

[BossHog]

From my understanding, yes they are. Also the last four year's void if he plays 15% of the offensive snaps the first year or 75% any of the next three.

Only 15% of the snaps in year one to void the last 4 years? That could easily happen unless the braintrust has told Parcells categorically that he does not play more than 15%. I mean that's less than 2 1/2 games... one QC injury, and there goes the end of Henson's contract... of course... maybe that's a good thing all things considered.

Thanks for the info.

[curveball]

Face it, if he can't take 75% of the snaps in year 3 or 4, that basically means he's a bust anyway. So there's really no reason, contractually, to keep him from seeing 15% this upcoming season.

[Redskins Rule]

With that being said, I would love to see LaVar hit Quincy Carter this year. Just like he hit Troy Aikman a few years ago.

[Doughboy]

What I mean is the fact that most contracts have accelerators in them. Look at Lavar's contract. He is costing us next to nothing over the next few years, but in four years his contract escalates to 10 mil + a year. When that happens to a players contract, you see people get cut.

Why not play for a signing bonus and a flat amount rather than having the contract escalate to the point where your value doesn't exceed the value of the contract?

Example:

I get offered a 10 mil signing bonus and a 5 year contract for 30 mil. Most of my contract is back loaded, with me only making like 4 mil in the first two years. The third year is palatable with me making 4 mil plus the prorated signing bonus. But now the team is faced with two years of HUGE hits. 30 - 8 = 22 million they will pay out over 2 years - 11 mil a year plus prorated signing bonus of 2 mil per year.

I will have a cap hit in the final two years of 13 mil a year. No player is truly worth that - and teams are proving my point by releasing people who ask that much.

Now - under my idea - 2 mil a year flat plus the 10 mil signing bonus. 4 mil a year hit. Period. No escalation. Helps me cause I make the full 20 mil. The team doesn't have to worry about my numbers down the road as long as my play remains constant. And actually if I get hurt, I will recieve a compensatory amount based on the remainder of the contract, if I remember correctly.

If I am tagged under the original idea and make a good amount one year but get hurt - I get bupkus. They release me, my NFL career is over and that's that.

Why not ensure that I make 20 mil instead of 10+8... not to mention build a good relationship with my team for being easy to deal with, a good cap number, and help the team with room to acquire some more talent to help make a run at the championship?

These 80-90 mil contracts sound nice, but they are backloaded just like Brunell's. Most of that money will NEVER be paid to Brunell. In essence they offer a long term like that for spreading out the cap hit. That is all there is to it. The huge number is for the agent. He gets a percentage off the total number. But the PLAYER doesn't see most of that money.

If I help my team like I am talking about, the chances of me being on the same team most of my career if not all of it really skyrockets if you think about it.

Well let's think of why an AGENT would insist on #'s like that. They get their percentage of the contract when it's signed. And then a couple years down the road, their clients cap # becomes too large and he either renegotiates a new contract or is cut and signs a new one elsewhere. Meanwhile the agent gets a cut of the new deal. Looks like the agent is getting money every three or four years off their clients instead of every seven to eight.

[Redskins Rule]

Yeah the postons are the worst at doing that too!!!!!!

[njskinsfan]

So Gambit if the owners don't wan't to deal with the Postons and admitedly K2 is a top five pick this year tallent-wise and he falls to a team at 8 or 9 just because owners don't want to deal with them then who suffers? Pace is one of the best lineman in the game but talks with the Rams are stalled and no one wants to even consider a trade because of ..... you guessed it... the postons and not the copensation for Pace. So they scr#W their rookies and they scr#w their free agents.

And why am I debating a Cowgirl fan?????? I must be boored.

[skinsfaninroanoke]

I am very happy things are heading in this direction. KW2 is a complete punk IMO, his attitude is definitely not one Gibbs would be comfortable with. I was watching a couple of Miami games I tivo'ed recently, scouting at the two picks we might take, and I can tell you that IMO Winslow runs his mouth the entire game and seems to be a complete primadonna on the field. He is an outstanding ahtlete no doubt, but I would not like him to be on our team.

Do me a favor and go back to those games and scout out Wilfork at DT... he has been reputed to be a monster in the middle, but it would be nice to hear it from someone I know has watched it.

[tcwest10]

Postons=No Winslow. I've read what people wrote, including those who may or may not be more knowledgeable about agents than I am. High School guys don't have agents. Just the occasional PE assistant who swears up and down that this guy is the best he's ever seens, bar none.
It's hard to take when you've heard the same guy say the same thing about a different guy four years in a row. All you can really go by is, does he show up at practice ? Does he take his weight training as seriously as he takes his playing time ? Is he willing to come out without a stink or wild gestures when you want to try a different tack ? Is he overly concerned with his own numbers ? Does he come to your office after a game with questions about a play or formation or does he come to complain about what somebody says or how nobody is throwing to him or blocking for him.
Winslow is an immature player, in my estimation. I don't know if he can get over himself fast enough to help us. I think maybe he needs to stay in school another couple of years. Since that won't happen, I don't want him any more than I'd want a cake my wife takes out of the oven fifteen minutes earlier than it should've been. It might look good, but stick a fork in it and you'll see it ain't quite there.

[skinsfaninroanoke]

Well let's think of why an AGENT would insist on #'s like that. They get their percentage of the contract when it's signed. And then a couple years down the road, their clients cap # becomes too large and he either renegotiates a new contract or is cut and signs a new one elsewhere. Meanwhile the agent gets a cut of the new deal. Looks like the agent is getting money every three or four years off their clients instead of every seven to eight.

Agreed - the way the contracts are structured now are for the benefit of the agent, not the player. Yes the player gets a signing bonus, but a lot of times you see guys playing for veteran minimum, then WHAM - big chunks of salary. They are cut, the player gets another huge contract that he won't see 70-80% of and the agent gets his 3% cut off the top.

You sign an 80 million dollar contract - the agent gets 2.4 million right off the top. Even if the player only gets a signing bonus and 500-750k a year for 3 years before the contract escalates... it isn't right for the agent to be able to manipulate the system this way - it hurts teams and players.

If you want to come right down to it, the 2.4 mil ends up being a larger chunk of a much smaller pie than people think. And the agents chuckle all the way to the bank.

What is the percentage of 12.25 mil at 3% you ask? A paltry 367,500 dollars which is 6.5 times less than the way it works now. The players don't get to stay at the same team in many cases, the fans are cheated, the teams lose talent they could use, and the agents make 6.5 times more than they should in the above example.

Doesn't sound like a player representative to me.

[nuskins]

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Do me a favor and go back to those games and scout out Wilfork at DT... he has been reputed to be a monster in the middle, but it would be nice to hear it from someone I know has watched it.[/quote]

Hmmm...I never thought about Wilfork Doh!!!!! I'll take a look at him.

On a side, Taylor is definitely a beast, but he sure does try to arm tackle a lot!