Dumb Wars

[crazyhorse1]

The dude with the name that sounds like the name of the guy that a lot of people in Washington want to get his hand on. He smokes too.

You win, Barack Obama said it.

Great stroke, ATV. Keep up the fine work.

[Cappster]

The dude with the name that sounds like the name of the guy that a lot of people in Washington want to get his hand on. He smokes too.

You win, Barack Obama said it.

Great stroke, ATV. Keep up the fine work.

Still not voting for him

[ATV]

Stroke?

[crazyhorse1]

The dude with the name that sounds like the name of the guy that a lot of people in Washington want to get his hand on. He smokes too.

You win, Barack Obama said it.

Great stroke, ATV. Keep up the fine work.

Still not voting for him

I wonder why not? Actually, I know, but I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

[crazyhorse1]

Stroke?

Nautical reference: you're propelling your canoe (or boat) in a straight line.
Trans: excellent point.

[ATV]

Oh, thanks.

My first thought was the sort of stroke you didn't mention.

[Cappster]

The dude with the name that sounds like the name of the guy that a lot of people in Washington want to get his hand on. He smokes too.

You win, Barack Obama said it.

Great stroke, ATV. Keep up the fine work.

Still not voting for him

I wonder why not? Actually, I know, but I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

OK, I won't rule out voting for him because I don't know much about him. Depending on who the Republican canidate is, I may vote democratic. That is unless Clinton is the democratic nominee in which case I may not vote at all. I would still be exercising my right to vote because I would be making an informed decision on not voting. Unlike some who just don't care.

How exactly do you know why I would not vote for Obama?

[crazyhorse1]

The dude with the name that sounds like the name of the guy that a lot of people in Washington want to get his hand on. He smokes too.

You win, Barack Obama said it.

Great stroke, ATV. Keep up the fine work.

Still not voting for him

I wonder why not? Actually, I know, but I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

OK, I won't rule out voting for him because I don't know much about him. Depending on who the Republican canidate is, I may vote democratic. That is unless Clinton is the democratic nominee in which case I may not vote at all. I would still be exercising my right to vote because I would be making an informed decision on not voting. Unlike some who just don't care.

How exactly do you know why I would not vote for Obama?

His leadership style would not satisfy your needs for an authoritarian figure in which you could put your belief. Your politics are an expression of emotional needs rather than the result of education and reason, which is not to say that you are not educated or unreasoning, but only that your political views as argued on this board tend to be aditudinal.

[Cappster]

I don't believe that I put my trust of emotional needs into a president. I'm not gay! Anyway, I vote for whoever sees things closer to the way I see them. As in Pro-life, Pro-right to bear arms, Pro-Christian etc... I look at the issues and not the candidate. If a deomcratic nominee sees things the way I do, then I will vote for them. If they don't, I will continue to vote the other way.

[crazyhorse1]

I don't believe that I put my trust of emotional needs into a president. I'm not gay! Anyway, I vote for whoever sees things closer to the way I see them. As in Pro-life, Pro-right to bear arms, Pro-Christian etc... I look at the issues and not the candidate. If a deomcratic nominee sees things the way I do, then I will vote for them. If they don't, I will continue to vote the other way.

The current "pro-Christian" administration has introduced torture, aggressive war, and detention without charges as policy. It has also done nothing whatsoever for Pro-life or the right to bear arms. What will it take for you to catch on?

[KazooSkinsFan]

The current "pro-Christian" administration has introduced torture, aggressive war, and detention without charges as policy.

Wow, you know like no history at all do you?

[Cappster]

I don't believe that I put my trust of emotional needs into a president. I'm not gay! Anyway, I vote for whoever sees things closer to the way I see them. As in Pro-life, Pro-right to bear arms, Pro-Christian etc... I look at the issues and not the candidate. If a deomcratic nominee sees things the way I do, then I will vote for them. If they don't, I will continue to vote the other way.

The current "pro-Christian" administration has introduced torture, aggressive war, and detention without charges as policy. It has also done nothing whatsoever for Pro-life or the right to bear arms. What will it take for you to catch on?

Actually, they helped let the law expire that banned a person from having bigger clips for their hand gun and folding stocks. So that to me is expanding my right to bear arms. What exactly do you consider to be torture? Humiliating pictures? Waking someone at all hours of the night to interrogate them? That is not torture.

A lot of Chrisitans believe that we are "in the last days". War is going to happen and Gods word has already been spoken as to what is going to happen. You cannot stop Gods word from happening. You believe that is BS but I don't really care. The way things are shaping up, WWIII is going to happen and its just a matter of time. Too many ideologies and not enough space to accomodate all of them.

Read the bible and you may learn something.

[KazooSkinsFan]

What exactly do you consider to be torture? Humiliating pictures? Waking someone at all hours of the night to interrogate them? That is not torture.

Actually they were prosecuted for the pictures as well so even that wasn't a Bush policy.

To Saddam Hussein, torture was where people end up in his mass graves. It is having Dobermans tear people apart. To liberals like Crazyhorse, torture is when Republicans don't give terrorists captured in a foreign country a lawyer and constitutional rights. Democrats cannot by definition torture, they are not Republicans.

Unfortunately, the liberals want us to lose in Iraq and they are doing everything in their power to make it so. No lie is to great. No number of soldiers dying because of their actions is too high a price to pay. I want us to leave because it's not our problem and maintaining cheap oil is counter to our long term interest, but while we're there I support the troops by supporting them. Not by saying I support them while undercutting them in every conceivable way as the left does. I support the troops and oppose the politicians of both parties that sent them there.

Crazyhorse supports the Democrats who sent them there and blames the Republicans who sent them there. To a Democrat concepts like truth, freedom and democracy all require the Democratic party being in power to be attained. By definition we do not have them when they are not in power.

[UK Skins Fan]

Cappster wrote:

Actually, they helped let the law expire that banned a person from having bigger clips for their hand gun and folding stocks. So that to me is expanding my right to bear arms. What exactly do you consider to be torture? Humiliating pictures? Waking someone at all hours of the night to interrogate them? That is not torture.

A lot of Chrisitans believe that we are "in the last days". War is going to happen and Gods word has already been spoken as to what is going to happen. You cannot stop Gods word from happening. You believe that is BS but I don't really care. The way things are shaping up, WWIII is going to happen and its just a matter of time. Too many ideologies and not enough space to accomodate all of them.

Read the bible and you may learn something.

So what are you saying? Let's all give up? I'm not some frock-wearing, hymn chanting hippy, but I like to think that it might be worth making some attempt to avoid the apocalypse that you seem resigned to.

[UK Skins Fan]

Waking someone at all hours of the night to interrogate them? That is not torture.

Actually , I tend to think that torture is exactly what it is. Torture doesn't always demand the use of thumbscrews and dental drills.

But I'm a pragmatist, and I'm of the opinion that such sleep deprivation techniques have to be used in the current situation. I don't like it, but I don't have a better solution.

[nuskins]

A lot of Chrisitans believe that we are "in the last days". War is going to happen and Gods word has already been spoken as to what is going to happen. You cannot stop Gods word from happening. You believe that is BS but I don't really care. The way things are shaping up, WWIII is going to happen and its just a matter of time. Too many ideologies and not enough space to accomodate all of them.

Read the bible and you may learn something.

This is everything that is wrong with modern Christianity today. The irony that you are "pro gun" and "pro life" escapes you, the horror that you think the Bible accepts or condones war is frightening and maniacal at best.

Let me guess, you support the death penalty too?

WOW

[crazyhorse1]

I don't believe that I put my trust of emotional needs into a president. I'm not gay! Anyway, I vote for whoever sees things closer to the way I see them. As in Pro-life, Pro-right to bear arms, Pro-Christian etc... I look at the issues and not the candidate. If a deomcratic nominee sees things the way I do, then I will vote for them. If they don't, I will continue to vote the other way.

The current "pro-Christian" administration has introduced torture, aggressive war, and detention without charges as policy. It has also done nothing whatsoever for Pro-life or the right to bear arms. What will it take for you to catch on?

Actually, they helped let the law expire that banned a person from having bigger clips for their hand gun and folding stocks. So that to me is expanding my right to bear arms. What exactly do you consider to be torture? Humiliating pictures? Waking someone at all hours of the night to interrogate them? That is not torture.

A lot of Chrisitans believe that we are "in the last days". War is going to happen and Gods word has already been spoken as to what is going to happen. You cannot stop Gods word from happening. You believe that is BS but I don't really care. The way things are shaping up, WWIII is going to happen and its just a matter of time. Too many ideologies and not enough space to accomodate all of them.

Read the bible and you may learn something.

Who would Christ waterboard, cover in feces, sexually humiliate, rape, beat, feed to dogs, murder, ship to foreign countries to be killed and/or tortured, compressed, anally penetrated with coke bottles, dragged, forced to stand for hours in hoods, zap with a tazer, keep in solitary confinement strapped to posts, chain, ignore when sick, hungry, senile, and/or driven insane.

As a Christian I certainly do not believe we are in the last days, especially in the sense of Rapture and all those attendant ravings that were considered holy by a bunch of primitive morons two thousand years ago, most of whom thought the world was flat and also enjoined the world to burn witches, cast out demons, and believe that the earth was the center of the universe.
I do, however, believe there will eventually be a World War III and that it might well be caused by religious fanaticism, Muslim and Christian. Personally, though, I will do my very best in my small way to prevent such a war, by speaking the logical truth: there will be no Rapture following an Apocalypse, no return of Christ, no raising of the faithful to heaven. Why do I think not? There being absolutely no respectable reason for believing so, I am drawn to conclude that the above actually happening is so far removed from probably that I would have to shut down my brain to believe any of it.

[KazooSkinsFan]

A lot of Chrisitans believe that we are "in the last days". War is going to happen and Gods word has already been spoken as to what is going to happen. You cannot stop Gods word from happening. You believe that is BS but I don't really care. The way things are shaping up, WWIII is going to happen and its just a matter of time. Too many ideologies and not enough space to accomodate all of them.

Read the bible and you may learn something.

This is everything that is wrong with modern Christianity today. The irony that you are "pro gun" and "pro life" escapes you, the horror that you think the Bible accepts or condones war is frightening and maniacal at best.

Let me guess, you support the death penalty too?

WOW

I realize you wrote this to Capster, but I have to ask, what are you talking about? What is "ironic" about being pro-gun, pro-life or pro-death penalty?

I am "pro-gun" but "pro-choice" and "anti-death penalty" so presumably I am with you over Capster on 2/3's of the positions. But I don't see how any of his views (assuming your guesses are accurate) are contradictory to anything he has said.

[Cappster]

Who would Christ waterboard, cover in feces, sexually humiliate, rape, beat, feed to dogs, murder, ship to foreign countries to be killed and/or tortured, compressed, anally penetrated with coke bottles, dragged, forced to stand for hours in hoods, zap with a tazer, keep in solitary confinement strapped to posts, chain, ignore when sick, hungry, senile, and/or driven insane.

As a Christian I certainly do not believe we are in the last days, especially in the sense of Rapture and all those attendant ravings that were considered holy by a bunch of primitive morons two thousand years ago, most of whom thought the world was flat and also enjoined the world to burn witches, cast out demons, and believe that the earth was the center of the universe.
I do, however, believe there will eventually be a World War III and that it might well be caused by religious fanaticism, Muslim and Christian. Personally, though, I will do my very best in my small way to prevent such a war, by speaking the logical truth: there will be no Rapture following an Apocalypse, no return of Christ, no raising of the faithful to heaven. Why do I think not? There being absolutely no respectable reason for believing so, I am drawn to conclude that the above actually happening is so far removed from probably that I would have to shut down my brain to believe any of it.

If you are a Christian, you may want to read the scripture below. If you do not believe in the return of Christ then you might want to find a new religion.

"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not sleep, but we will all be changed - in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed." 1 Corinthians 15:51-52

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever." 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

"Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth." Revelation 3:10

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory." Matthew 25:31

"I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war." Revelation 19:11

[Cappster]

Cappster wrote:

Actually, they helped let the law expire that banned a person from having bigger clips for their hand gun and folding stocks. So that to me is expanding my right to bear arms. What exactly do you consider to be torture? Humiliating pictures? Waking someone at all hours of the night to interrogate them? That is not torture.

A lot of Chrisitans believe that we are "in the last days". War is going to happen and Gods word has already been spoken as to what is going to happen. You cannot stop Gods word from happening. You believe that is BS but I don't really care. The way things are shaping up, WWIII is going to happen and its just a matter of time. Too many ideologies and not enough space to accomodate all of them.

Read the bible and you may learn something.

So what are you saying? Let's all give up? I'm not some frock-wearing, hymn chanting hippy, but I like to think that it might be worth making some attempt to avoid the apocalypse that you seem resigned to.

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.

Matthew 24:5-8

[Cappster]

A lot of Chrisitans believe that we are "in the last days". War is going to happen and Gods word has already been spoken as to what is going to happen. You cannot stop Gods word from happening. You believe that is BS but I don't really care. The way things are shaping up, WWIII is going to happen and its just a matter of time. Too many ideologies and not enough space to accomodate all of them.

Read the bible and you may learn something.

This is everything that is wrong with modern Christianity today. The irony that you are "pro gun" and "pro life" escapes you, the horror that you think the Bible accepts or condones war is frightening and maniacal at best.

Let me guess, you support the death penalty too?

WOW

And there was war between Asa and Baasha king of Israel all their days.
1 Kings 15:16

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Revelation 19:11

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Revelation 12:7

A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
Ecclesiastes 3:8

*[A Psalm] of David.* Blessed [be] the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, [and] my fingers to fight:
Psalms 144:1

Every] purpose is established by counsel: and with good advice make war.
Proverbs 20:18

[crazyhorse1]

A lot of Chrisitans believe that we are "in the last days". War is going to happen and Gods word has already been spoken as to what is going to happen. You cannot stop Gods word from happening. You believe that is BS but I don't really care. The way things are shaping up, WWIII is going to happen and its just a matter of time. Too many ideologies and not enough space to accomodate all of them.

Read the bible and you may learn something.

This is everything that is wrong with modern Christianity today. The irony that you are "pro gun" and "pro life" escapes you, the horror that you think the Bible accepts or condones war is frightening and maniacal at best.

Let me guess, you support the death penalty too?

WOW

And there was war between Asa and Baasha king of Israel all their days.
1 Kings 15:16

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Revelation 19:11

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Revelation 12:7

A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
Ecclesiastes 3:8

*[A Psalm] of David.* Blessed [be] the Lord my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, [and] my fingers to fight:
Psalms 144:1

Every] purpose is established by counsel: and with good advice make war.
Proverbs 20:18

Asa and Baasha: role models?

Guy on a white horse in heaven named Faithful and True who wants to make war. And this is NOT the raving of a lunatic?

Michael's fighting a dragon. Sounds likely to me!

I always liked that line of poetry in Ecc.

I'm supposed to follow David's example. He went to war against his own son and caused his death, to his great grief.

"...and with good advice make war." Sounds like the opposite of what the Bush administration did.i

[crazyhorse1]

Who would Christ waterboard, cover in feces, sexually humiliate, rape, beat, feed to dogs, murder, ship to foreign countries to be killed and/or tortured, compressed, anally penetrated with coke bottles, dragged, forced to stand for hours in hoods, zap with a tazer, keep in solitary confinement strapped to posts, chain, ignore when sick, hungry, senile, and/or driven insane.

As a Christian I certainly do not believe we are in the last days, especially in the sense of Rapture and all those attendant ravings that were considered holy by a bunch of primitive morons two thousand years ago, most of whom thought the world was flat and also enjoined the world to burn witches, cast out demons, and believe that the earth was the center of the universe.
I do, however, believe there will eventually be a World War III and that it might well be caused by religious fanaticism, Muslim and Christian. Personally, though, I will do my very best in my small way to prevent such a war, by speaking the logical truth: there will be no Rapture following an Apocalypse, no return of Christ, no raising of the faithful to heaven. Why do I think not? There being absolutely no respectable reason for believing so, I am drawn to conclude that the above actually happening is so far removed from probably that I would have to shut down my brain to believe any of it.

If you are a Christian, you may want to read the scripture below. If you do not believe in the return of Christ then you might want to find a new religion.

"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not sleep, but we will all be changed - in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed." 1 Corinthians 15:51-52

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever." 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

"Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth." Revelation 3:10

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory." Matthew 25:31

"I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war." Revelation 19:11

None of the above things will happen.

Note that I have used the same amount of solid evidence to support my claim that you have used to support all of the above.

[crazyhorse1]

Cappster wrote:

Actually, they helped let the law expire that banned a person from having bigger clips for their hand gun and folding stocks. So that to me is expanding my right to bear arms. What exactly do you consider to be torture? Humiliating pictures? Waking someone at all hours of the night to interrogate them? That is not torture.

A lot of Chrisitans believe that we are "in the last days". War is going to happen and Gods word has already been spoken as to what is going to happen. You cannot stop Gods word from happening. You believe that is BS but I don't really care. The way things are shaping up, WWIII is going to happen and its just a matter of time. Too many ideologies and not enough space to accomodate all of them.

Read the bible and you may learn something.

So what are you saying? Let's all give up? I'm not some frock-wearing, hymn chanting hippy, but I like to think that it might be worth making some attempt to avoid the apocalypse that you seem resigned to.

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.

Matthew 24:5-8

For one shall come calling himself the Decider and he shall be a criminal and a fraud yet be believed by some who practice shooting their guns in the woods and destroying all of another faith whom they mistakenly believe may have some slight relationship to others who have destroyed a great building.

Crazyhorse 1:1

[Cappster]

You are unreachable. If none of the things I have posted will happen, why do you call yourself a Christian? What does Christianity mean to you?