Redskins Trying to Create Cap Space

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:43 am

Thrash, 32, who has been a special-teams player and a solid receiver in limited duty, was set to make $1.3 million in base salary in 2007, but some of that money was converted into a bonus, trimming about $380,000 of Washington's cap. He also received a two-year extension as part of the deal, the sources said.

I thought they would cut Thrash and re-sign him to the Vet Min (he would have only gotten $40K for a signing bonus, and would have been in the same spot next year) This is a good move for Thrash

ANT7088 · Post by **ANT7088** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:50 am

Thrash has never been a "Team Player"

Just Kidding!!!!

aswas71788 · Post by **aswas71788** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:36 pm

This was a good move for Thrash. I say great! Thrash has been an excellent player for the Redskins. He has done anything and everything asked of him and has earned some considerations for his play.

It still bothers me that the year after being #4 in defense, the Redskins jettisoned the players that made it #4 by their extra effort by not negotiating pay raises. Instead, the Redskins let them go and went out and got new players, paid them more money to produce less. So now, we have a bottom dweller for a defense.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:17 pm

. . .and so the salary cap machine over at Redskins park begins to work its magic once again.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:21 pm

Oh man! I feel a winning offseason ahead.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:53 pm

Enjoy the feeling. Should be gone by about the second pre-season game.

(I'm preparing myself for a 3-13 season now. So the skins can stun me with a SB run.)

air_hog · Post by **air_hog** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:04 pm

I love James Thrash!

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:12 pm

I don't know why, I thought Thrash was much older than 32. Seems like he's been around forever. Until I saw that he was only 32, I thought a 2 year extension was silly, but it makes sense now. He's a solid citizen, and deserves the opportunity to stick around rather than becoming a cap casualty.

BnGhog · Post by **BnGhog** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:19 pm

I think we should use more four WR sets and use Thrash. The D's wouldn't be expecting it, too busy watching Moss and ARL

gay4pacman · Post by **gay4pacman** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:23 pm

thrash was effective when santana and ARE werent on the field. He would be in jumbo sets with cooley and yoder and kill down the field.

Skins2daGrave · Post by **Skins2daGrave** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:21 pm

i like Thrash, he's a hard worker and never complains like some people...lloyd. i'd like to see him get a chance to battle for the #3 WR spot

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:39 pm

I've never had anything to say bad about James Thrash... and I was a big fan during his first tour of duty... but I don't understand what he did to warrant an extention.

Besides returning the occasional kickoff (only one time this season and not regularly for a few seasons) does he make that big an impact on special teams?

12 solo tackles is pretty impressive I guess... but he's played more and more the past three seasons and has the same number of tackles to show for it...

In any case, he's not gonna hurt us any on the field as a special teamer obviously... I was just wondering if anyone has really noticed the impact he's had.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:35 am

I'd say the reasons for keeping James Thrash would be something along these lines:

* Hard worker and leader -- he's always had this reputation. His leadership among the players is well known.

* Clutch player -- Most of his stats as a WR came in the 4th quarter, in games where the Skins were behind, and where we won or lost by fewer than 7 points.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1859/splits/2006

Keep in mind that with Moss, Randel El, Lloyd, and Patten, Thrash really isn't on the team as a WR anyway.

* As for special teams, I can't think of anything above my own anecdotal evidence, but in my opinion he's been as reliable a special teams player for us as Rock Cartwright. He downs a lot of punts, I don't remember ever seeing him bobble one inside of the 10 or 5 yard line, and he makes plenty of tackles.

bobbie brewskie · Post by **bobbie brewskie** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:00 pm

BnGhog wrote:I think we should use more four WR sets and use Thrash. The D's wouldn't be expecting it, too busy watching Moss and ARL

wait, who watched ARE?

and Santana Moss? i dont remember him catching a pass on us, didnt T-Newman shut him down?

Santana Moss had 1 good season, his first one with you guys, other than that he hasnt done anything special.

ARE? haha, that guy is, at best, a #3 WR. matter of fact, so is Brandon Lloyd.

Moss gets some of my respect since he won you guys the game 2 seasons ago, but the guy doesnt scare me. and your #2-#4 WRs just make me laugh. Lloyd, Randle El and Thrash, what jokes.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:09 pm

bobbie brewskie wrote:

wait, who watched ARE?

and Santana Moss? i dont remember him catching a pass on us, didnt T-Newman shut him down?

Santana Moss had 1 good season, his first one with you guys, other than that he hasnt done anything special.

ARE? haha, that guy is, at best, a #3 WR. matter of fact, so is Brandon Lloyd.

Moss gets some of my respect since he won you guys the game 2 seasons ago, but the guy doesnt scare me. and your #2-#4 WRs just make me laugh. Lloyd, Randle El and Thrash, what jokes.[/quote]
Moss has only been here 2 season and played in 1 game against you this year (pretty easy to shut someone down when they don't dress for the game), ARE was brought in as a #3 and return man, Thrash is a specials teams guy who plays on and off at WR. Jason Cambpell will be reintroducing the Redskins reciever corps. to the entire NFL in 2007, Let me know what you think about them after they've had a QB that can get them the ball. Lloyd is a completely different issue but you all will get to meet him too. :wink:

bobbie brewskie · Post by **bobbie brewskie** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:31 pm

1niksder wrote:Moss has only been here 2 season and played in 1 game against you this year (pretty easy to shut someone down when they don't dress for the game), ARE was brought in as a #3 and return man, Thrash is a specials teams guy who plays on and off at WR. Jason Cambpell will be reintroducing the Redskins reciever corps. to the entire NFL in 2007, Let me know what you think about them after they've had a QB that can get them the ball. Lloyd is a completely different issue but you all will get to meet him too.

Moss had 1 catch for 7 yards on Newman and then we stuck Aaron Glenn on him again and i think he gained like 28 yards on 2 catches or something vs. Glenn.

you guys talk about "watching ARE" like he is a #2 WR.

ive seen enough of Lloyd, i live in the SF Bay Area and he is not pretty. the guy is inconsistant, not exactly fast, doesnt run great routes and although he makes amazing catches, his hands are about as good as TOs.

Jason Campbell will be reintroducing Dan Snyder to the bums that he originally signed. Santana Moss is the only WR of the bunch that might rebound, but he wont be the 1400+ yard WR you guys had 2 seasons ago. he did that once and thats it. with the jets he wasnt that impressive either.

your guys problem at WR is that they are all 1-dimensional, they all do the same thing. and Campbell might have the initials of JC, but he aint your savior. hes aun upgrade over Brunell, but still doesnt scare me and as much as you want to think he will cure your WR corps, they dont scare me.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:13 am

bobbie brewskie wrote:ive seen enough of Lloyd, i live in the SF Bay Area and he is not pretty. the guy is inconsistant, not exactly fast, doesnt run great routes and although he makes amazing catches, his hands are about as good as TOs.

Yet, he had his career game against Newman........I guess your saying that Newman sucks that bad huh????

I can't argue with that!

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:24 am

bobbie brewskie wrote:Moss had 1 catch for 7 yards on Newman and then we stuck Aaron Glenn on him again and i think he gained like 28 yards on 2 catches or something vs. Glenn.

Close but you give him too much credit 1 catch but I think it was more than 7 yards but that was it for the year against yall

bobbie brewskie wrote:you guys talk about "watching ARE" like he is a #2 WR.

ive seen enough of Lloyd, i live in the SF Bay Area and he is not pretty. the guy is inconsistant, not exactly fast, doesnt run great routes and although he makes amazing catches, his hands are about as good as TOs.

Lloyd was brought in to be the number two, not a bad move considering we both agree he wasn't a #1 in SF. but it hasn't worked out YET. I say yet because of the money he was paid so he'll be here next year. Next year he'll have a QB that can actually get him the ball.

bobbie brewskie wrote:Jason Campbell will be reintroducing Dan Snyder to the bums that he originally signed. Santana Moss is the only WR of the bunch that might rebound, but he wont be the 1400+ yard WR you guys had 2 seasons ago. he did that once and thats it. with the jets he wasnt that impressive either.

Yeah, yeah, yeah we've heard it all before Moss ain't this - Moss isn't going to do that ask Roy Newman (he ran ran by them like they were 1 person they might as well share a name). Brunell is/was :cry:

a different kind of QB. That's all I'll say about that because i don't want to rain on JC parade :twisted:

bobbie brewskie wrote:your guys problem at WR is that they are all 1-dimensional, they all do the same thing. and Campbell might have the initials of JC, but he aint your savior. hes aun upgrade over Brunell, but still doesnt scare me and as much as you want to think he will cure your WR corps, they dont scare me.

JC stands for Jason Campbell we don't get it confused but come Sept. you'll hear it enough you might get confused. Moss runs every route like JC throws them all. Capt. Kaos owns the middle of the field when we run play-action (Portis hurt and Brunell under center - who's going to bite?). Back to the WRs Patten only took up a roster spot this year and we went with 5 wideouts on the 53 man roster (that's the wildcard). Wil that player beat out those on the roster for the #2 / #3 spot, and what will be his capabililties. We'll be adding one once the market opens.

bobbie brewskie · Post by **bobbie brewskie** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:25 am

Redskins Rule wrote:
bobbie brewskie wrote:ive seen enough of Lloyd, i live in the SF Bay Area and he is not pretty. the guy is inconsistant, not exactly fast, doesnt run great routes and although he makes amazing catches, his hands are about as good as TOs.

Yet, he had his career game against Newman........I guess your saying that Newman sucks that bad huh????

I can't argue with that!

you didnt watch the game obviously. but i understand why youd think it was Newman on Lloyd. since usually the #1 CB would cover the #1 WR. BUT, Zimmer is a complete moron and much like when Santana Moss scored his 2 TDs of 39 and 70 yards against us, it wasnt Newman on him.

Zimmer has this stupid idea to take Newman off of the opponents #1 WR and put Aaron Glenn on him. Aaron Glenn was responsible for Lloyds 157 yards and 2 TDs against us and he was also responsible for the 2 TD catches that Moss had against us last year, while Newman only allowed i think 2 or 3 catches from Moss that game.

not to mention Newman allowed 0 TDs that year and 2 TDs this year.

unter13 · Post by **unter13** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:42 am

bobbie brewskie wrote:
Redskins Rule wrote:
bobbie brewskie wrote:ive seen enough of Lloyd, i live in the SF Bay Area and he is not pretty. the guy is inconsistant, not exactly fast, doesnt run great routes and although he makes amazing catches, his hands are about as good as TOs.

Yet, he had his career game against Newman........I guess your saying that Newman sucks that bad huh????

I can't argue with that!

you didnt watch the game obviously. but i understand why youd think it was Newman on Lloyd. since usually the #1 CB would cover the #1 WR. BUT, Zimmer is a complete moron and much like when Santana Moss scored his 2 TDs of 39 and 70 yards against us, it wasnt Newman on him.

Zimmer has this stupid idea to take Newman off of the opponents #1 WR and put Aaron Glenn on him. Aaron Glenn was responsible for Lloyds 157 yards and 2 TDs against us and he was also responsible for the 2 TD catches that Moss had against us last year, while Newman only allowed i think 2 or 3 catches from Moss that game.

not to mention Newman allowed 0 TDs that year and 2 TDs this year.

Moss would have scored on any of the boys corners that game. When Moss is on you can't cover him. Bobbie you don't play RB.

bobbie brewskie · Post by **bobbie brewskie** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:07 am

unter13 wrote:
bobbie brewskie wrote:
Redskins Rule wrote:
bobbie brewskie wrote:ive seen enough of Lloyd, i live in the SF Bay Area and he is not pretty. the guy is inconsistant, not exactly fast, doesnt run great routes and although he makes amazing catches, his hands are about as good as TOs.

Yet, he had his career game against Newman........I guess your saying that Newman sucks that bad huh????

I can't argue with that!

you didnt watch the game obviously. but i understand why youd think it was Newman on Lloyd. since usually the #1 CB would cover the #1 WR. BUT, Zimmer is a complete moron and much like when Santana Moss scored his 2 TDs of 39 and 70 yards against us, it wasnt Newman on him.

Zimmer has this stupid idea to take Newman off of the opponents #1 WR and put Aaron Glenn on him. Aaron Glenn was responsible for Lloyds 157 yards and 2 TDs against us and he was also responsible for the 2 TD catches that Moss had against us last year, while Newman only allowed i think 2 or 3 catches from Moss that game.

not to mention Newman allowed 0 TDs that year and 2 TDs this year.

Moss would have scored on any of the boys corners that game. When Moss is on you can't cover him. Bobbie you don't play RB.

well, moss has yet to score a TD on Newman. i also recall him, this year, throwing fits when the ball wasnt thrown his way because Newman had him covered so tight.

Redskins Rule · Post by **Redskins Rule** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:27 am

well, moss has yet to score a TD on Newman. i also recall him, this year, throwing fits when the ball wasnt thrown his way because Newman had him covered so tight.

Geez Man!!!! Do you have a hard on for Newman or something!?!?!?!?!

All I ever hear from you is 'Newman this' and 'Newman that'

Even if we're talking about the salary cap.....'Newman this' and Newman that' What the heck does Newman have to do with the salary cap?

bobbie brewskie · Post by **bobbie brewskie** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:48 am

Redskins Rule wrote:
well, moss has yet to score a TD on Newman. i also recall him, this year, throwing fits when the ball wasnt thrown his way because Newman had him covered so tight.

Geez Man!!!! Do you have a hard on for Newman or something!?!?!?!?!

All I ever hear from you is 'Newman this' and 'Newman that'

Even if we're talking about the salary cap.....'Newman this' and Newman that' What the heck does Newman have to do with the salary cap?

if you actually read some of the more recent posts in this thread, this topic came to discussing your over-payed WRs which lead to Brandon Lloyd and one of your redskin friends brought up how Brandon Lloyd torched Newman and i simply told him that he actually torched Aaron Glenn. and then we continued a talk about Newman and Moss.

do you read before you post? if you dont want to deal with me, then dont respond to my posts, you have yet to say anything sensible to this point anyways. its sad as to how week some of your debate has been thus far.

leatherhead 377 · Post by **leatherhead 377** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:33 pm

NEWMAN

unter13 · Post by **unter13** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:01 am

bobbie brewskie wrote:
unter13 wrote:
bobbie brewskie wrote:
Redskins Rule wrote:
bobbie brewskie wrote:ive seen enough of Lloyd, i live in the SF Bay Area and he is not pretty. the guy is inconsistant, not exactly fast, doesnt run great routes and although he makes amazing catches, his hands are about as good as TOs.

Yet, he had his career game against Newman........I guess your saying that Newman sucks that bad huh????

I can't argue with that!

you didnt watch the game obviously. but i understand why youd think it was Newman on Lloyd. since usually the #1 CB would cover the #1 WR. BUT, Zimmer is a complete moron and much like when Santana Moss scored his 2 TDs of 39 and 70 yards against us, it wasnt Newman on him.

Zimmer has this stupid idea to take Newman off of the opponents #1 WR and put Aaron Glenn on him. Aaron Glenn was responsible for Lloyds 157 yards and 2 TDs against us and he was also responsible for the 2 TD catches that Moss had against us last year, while Newman only allowed i think 2 or 3 catches from Moss that game.

not to mention Newman allowed 0 TDs that year and 2 TDs this year.

Moss would have scored on any of the boys corners that game. When Moss is on you can't cover him. Bobbie you don't play RB.

well, moss has yet to score a TD on Newman. i also recall him, this year, throwing fits when the ball wasnt thrown his way because Newman had him covered so tight.

Why wasn't he covering him two years ago when he beat yall's ass. If Newman is so good I think they would have at least had him cover Moss on the second TD that game. You know the game winner. Bobbie you don't play RB or DB.