Vanderjagt or Novak

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:47 pm

You make the call.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:06 pm

If you can sign Vanderjagt to a reasonable contract then I think you have to take a chance on him. Novak, while a local favorite because of his ties to Maryland, has been largely innefective this season on both field goals and kickoffs. To be perfectly honest, converting only 50% of your field goals (only 1 for 3 from 30-39) is pretty pathetic. In fact, Novak is tied with Suisham for the lowest percentage of made kicks in the NFL (and Suisham has only attempted 2 kicks). So based on the stats you can't really be doing any worse than Novak. His kickoffs aren't really any good either. I don't care who they bring in, be it Vanderjagt or someone else, but a chance needs to be made.

skins2357 · Post by **skins2357** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:09 pm

unfortuanately there is no question. Novak has the talent to achieve in this league but he cant botch 36 yard field goals and expect to succeed in this league. He botches the 36 yarder then comes back to drill a 40+ yarder. Other positions on the field allow you to "mess up" once in a while because you have so many plays to reprove yourself. But kicking is not one of them. You cant go an entire season making 50% or many times even 65%. Kicking is tough no doubt about it, but its a position that calls for perfection. Im rooting for Nick all the way, but at this point I would rather have Vandy hands down

elprez19 · Post by **elprez19** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:37 pm

vanderjagt is an idiot and plus he doesn't like to kick off. with his injury from preseason, he's about as sure as novak. thats why the buttboys got rid of him

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:43 pm

I went with Mark Moseley his kick-offs would probably outdistance Novak and Vanderjerk

Kickers are expected to be worked out at Redskins Park this week likely on Tuesday.. Mike Vanderjagt was released by Dallas, and as of me writing this, there was no word whether he would be part of the session.. Gibbs said there have been no discussions of the team actually replacing Nick Novak who’s kickoffs remain short and his field goal percentage since returning is 50% however when asked if kickers were coming in to work out, Gibbs wouldn’t deny it, but also wouldn’t confirm it..

JPM36 · Post by **JPM36** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:10 am

Definitely Vanderjagt.

If not for Troy Vincent, Nick Novak wouldn't be our kicker right now. The guy has made 2 great kicks and I will always be grateful for that, but he is not a good kicker.

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:26 am

i hate to say it because i don't like vanderjagt, but i can't see any way he isn't a better option right now- despite his recent struggles. he is 13 of 18, 72% on the season. novak is 5 of 10, 50%! that is just abysmal. i have actually been thinking lately that with novak, we should probably just go for it on 4th down almost every time, because there is probably realistically a much higher chance of converting than there is of him making the FG.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:49 am

Please bring Mark out of retirement. Please.

No Novak, no Vander@#$%^&*!

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:46 am

What about the guy we had in preseason Tyler Jones. He did really well in NFL Europe this past season. His kickoffs are pretty good also. I know he had a few over or close to 50 yards.

Charm City Sports · Post by **Charm City Sports** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:01 am

As soon as the Cowboys released him I was like LETS SIGN HIM UP!!

He was having a bad year true but this guy is the real deal. It happens.

The only thing is, Akers played like Novak when we had him and never gave him the chance to live up to his potential. Now he is one of the best in the game. I HATE the Eagles, but you have to give the guy credit he has heart. Remember last year when he was hurt? He still gave it all he had.

So maybe it would backfire on us again, but right now I would go with Vanderjagt. That is untill he says that JC has no heart.

redskindave · Post by **redskindave** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:05 am

I would prefer Chip Lohmiller myself

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:21 am

Vanderjerk doesnt like to kickoff.....that sucks.

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:55 am

where are all the 'bring back novak' chants at now?

glad that all of those who were chanting, finally got your wish. :evil:

oh, and the idiot kicker sucks too, but he can't be any worse than novak.

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:37 am

As long as we can sign Vandy to a huge contract and have him underperform, then I'm all for it.

Fios · Post by **Fios** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:47 am

joebagadonuts wrote:As long as we can sign Vandy to a huge contract and have him underperform, then I'm all for it.

Right, like THAT would ever happen, get a grip man, the R in Redskins stands for fiscalResponsibility (no, it doesn't technically stand for Redskins and yes, that is one word in my world) :roll:

(d)oink · Post by **(d)oink** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:58 am

joebagadonuts wrote:As long as we can sign Vandy to a huge contract and have him underperform, then I'm all for it.

That solves it! Joebag for G.M. Problems solved.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:12 am

Fios wrote:
Right, like THAT would ever happen, get a grip man, the R in Redskins stands for fiscalResponsibility (no, it doesn't technically stand for Redskins and yes, that is one word in my world)

Best post of the day. Its oozing with contempt and sarcasm and that just does something for me. :lol:

Mursilis · Post by **Mursilis** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:14 am

joebagadonuts wrote:As long as we can sign Vandy to a huge contract and have him underperform, then I'm all for it.

gibbsfan · Post by **gibbsfan** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:02 am

i went with mark moseley myself...

gettin mike vanderjagt i don,t know too many liquiored up kickers do you.

i,m sticking with no good novak...i dunno..hmmm

USAFSkinFan · Post by **USAFSkinFan** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:04 am

he can't be asking for much money at this point... and i don't even have anything good to say about the guy, except that statisticly he's the greates kicker in the history of the game... so what do we have to lose... come next season it's going to be an open competition anyway... that being said, I think Danny would love to do it, but I don't know if Joe is up for dealing with any more than he has to right now...

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:06 am

An injured Vanderjagt is about as useful as an injured Hall. Novak is "better" than both. If the Redskins don't make any more kicker moves this season, at least we'll be able to approach it next year with little to no baggage.

Or, we can take joebagadonuts' strategy.

Gibbs' Hog · Post by **Gibbs' Hog** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:00 pm

We took Dallas' trash before - I'm not interested in doing it again. I'd much rather continue (at least for the rest of this season) with an inconsistent Novak, than with that cocky s o b (and also inconsistent) Vandy. And why can't we get a kicker who can kick into the endzone???

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:03 pm

Novak is "better" than both.

No he isn't. Statistically Novak is the worst kicker in the NFL right now.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:07 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:
Novak is "better" than both.

No he isn't. Statistically Novak is the worst kicker in the NFL right now.

Well, I would still argue that he is better. Hall is obviously worse because of his injury (it's why he's on IR--further playing would only deteriorate his kicking more), and Vanderjagt has similar issues. At least with Novak we know what we're getting; Vanderjagt I suspect will only decline as the season moves forward.

Also, my point was much larger than Novak's accuracy. I address both injuries and prospects for next year, and I think that both categories make Novak the more appealing option.

So, to counter your impeccable logic. . .yes, he is.

But who knows? Perhaps we'll pick up Vanderjagt and suffer with him the rest of this season (like we would with Nick), and then have a great kicker on our team next year. I certainly hope that's what happens if we pick him up.

sch1977 · Post by **sch1977** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:21 pm

Novak is a temporary solution to our kicking problem. Is Vandy better? Statistically yes! Novak is too inconsistent. I know Vandy has been way off this year, but his career speaks for itself. Do I want him on the team? Only if Gibbs staples his lips shut.

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