Ramsey to Jets

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:35 am

damn. now what do i do with this autographed jersey? :evil:

j/k i'll still be a fan of pat. really down to earth guy. might give me a reason to actually pay attention to the afc east.

sch1977 · Post by **sch1977** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:36 am

SkinsFanInHawai'i wrote:PT why do you hate on Campbell so much?

I don't expect you to say he is a sure HOFer, but why are you writing him off as a bust?

Look at the QB's on his team's roster and you'll understand. :lol:

sch1977 · Post by **sch1977** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:38 am

SirSmizzy wrote:
Countertrey wrote:
Gibbs got his head handed to him on this one, but can't say he doesn't deserve it. If Brunell goes down and Campbell looks as mediocre as he looked at Auburn, it's good bye myth. He's already blown a season and a playoff on misplaced faith in an injured QB. Three in a row and he'll really look bad. Here's my prediction: we'll wind up with the worse starting QB in the NFL: that old guy Saunders brought over.

Hey... I hear the Jets are desperate for some new fans... Heck even YOU may qualify. They don't require that you know anything about football.

It's pathetic you have to resort to bashing Jets fans because we gave you next to nothing for Ramsey.

The Atlanta deal is a joke. It's not going to happen. This isn't the same old jets front office. There is a new sherrif in town .

Thanks for Ramsey . Anytime you can grab a young former 1st rd pick who never got a fair shake for a bag of footballs...you jump on it. The skins should have taken the deal last week before you signed Todd Collins. IMHO...that gave us the leverage. Sure ...he would probably have been cut anyway...but we would have got into a bidding war with many other teams for him. Ramsey for a 6th rd pick is highway robbery.

Well Danny likes giving to charities, its a nice tax deduction. Let me clue you in on something: Ramsey is NOT that good. He got a fair shake, he just couldn't hack it. Good luck with that QB carousel.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:15 pm

Sorry if I am wrong on this I don't watch a lot of Auburn football, but didn't that mediocre qb go 13-0 and look awesome doing it, yeah I am sure Gibbs said, lets pick up that mediocre qb that went 13-0 from auburn for no reason, think before you post people.

I'm not saying that Campbell isn't good but his was mediocre his first 3 years at Auburn and his senior year he had Cadillac and Ronnie Brown in the backfield (both top 5 picks in the 1st roudn) so teams were keying on stopping the run and as a result Campbell had plenty of time and lots of open receivers to throw too. Could he have done it without one or both of those players, I don't know but I think it's a little too early to proclaim that he is more talented than Ramsey.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:20 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:I'm not saying that Campbell isn't good but his was mediocre his first 3 years at Auburn and his senior year he had Cadillac and Ronnie Brown in the backfield (both top 5 picks in the 1st roudn) so teams were keying on stopping the run and as a result Campbell had plenty of time and lots of open receivers to throw too. Could he have done it without one or both of those players, I don't know but I think it's a little too early to proclaim that he is more talented than Ramsey.

If your saying Campbell needs a good or top 5 back to win a championship then I'd think Portis is his best friend

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:47 pm

If your saying Campbell needs a good or top 5 back to win a championship then I'd think Portis is his best friend

Well actually he had 2 top 5 backs at Auburn at the same time.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:47 pm

SkinzCanes wrote:
If your saying Campbell needs a good or top 5 back to win a championship then I'd think Portis is his best friend

Well actually he had 2 top 5 backs at Auburn at the same time.

Did he need 2 :?:

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:54 pm

SkinsFanInHawai'i wrote:PT why do you hate on Campbell so much?

I don't expect you to say he is a sure HOFer, but why are you writing him off as a bust?

I don't know if its hating most people I talk to don't think Campell is any good. He only had one good year and that was because he was on a stacked team. Even though he was in the SEC Auburn padded their out of confrence schedule that year and that is why they didn't make the national championship game.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:54 pm

1niksder wrote:
SkinzCanes wrote:I'm not saying that Campbell isn't good but his was mediocre his first 3 years at Auburn and his senior year he had Cadillac and Ronnie Brown in the backfield (both top 5 picks in the 1st roudn) so teams were keying on stopping the run and as a result Campbell had plenty of time and lots of open receivers to throw too. Could he have done it without one or both of those players, I don't know but I think it's a little too early to proclaim that he is more talented than Ramsey.

If your saying Campbell needs a good or top 5 back to win a championship then I'd think Portis is his best friend

A good running game (QB/RB plus OL) is the best friend of a good passing game (QB/WR plus OL).

A good QB has never succeeded in one-dimenesional teams.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:57 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
1niksder wrote:
SkinzCanes wrote:I'm not saying that Campbell isn't good but his was mediocre his first 3 years at Auburn and his senior year he had Cadillac and Ronnie Brown in the backfield (both top 5 picks in the 1st roudn) so teams were keying on stopping the run and as a result Campbell had plenty of time and lots of open receivers to throw too. Could he have done it without one or both of those players, I don't know but I think it's a little too early to proclaim that he is more talented than Ramsey.

If your saying Campbell needs a good or top 5 back to win a championship then I'd think Portis is his best friend
A good running game (QB/RB plus OL) is the best friend of a good passing game (QB/WR plus OL).

A good QB has never succeeded in one-dimenesional teams.

SkinzCanes wrote:Well actually he had 2 top 5 backs at Auburn at the same time.

two-dimenesional :lol:

does that count

SirSmizzy · Post by **SirSmizzy** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:01 pm

BossHog wrote:

Another poor attempt by BossHogg to discredit me. Should I go dig up your old posts that said Coles,Hall,& Chad Morton were gonna put you over the top and how you "stole" them from us by overpaying them? how they were great signings? Spare me.You love to nit pick my posts. I like how you took that one sentence out of context to fit your adgenda. I said it was a good job bringing in a vet QB to show him the ropes.
..but lets face it...you overpaid him just like the skins do to EVERY FREE AGENT. You name 1 free agent or coach you brought in during the Snyder era that you didn't have to grossly over pay to get him a skins uniform?

I did say the skins loaded up on some young talent. Whats your point? Oh thats right you don't have one....you just wanted to tell me the Jets won't make an effort,right?

Ramsey got a fair shake?? When? When spurrier brought in His junk QB's? when Gibbs brought in Brunnell after 3 days on the job? The first half of the Giants game?

I watched linemen run WITH him in sprints at practices... that's bloody slow for any QB! Sure Spurrier hurt things by throwing Ramsey to the wolves... but it isn't like he looked comfortable at camp or in preseason last year either. And if his confidence was shot by Spurrier... he didn't show any sign that he had regained it by the start of last season.

Since when does speed matter at the QB spot? Thsi isn't Madden.

A 6th round pick isn't very much to get for him but as some of the astute posters have already pointed out... this wasn't AT ALL about getting rid of Patrick for a 6th, it was about freeing up $1.7M in cap space to get someone else.

Whatever will help you sleep better at night. Id rather have Ramsey for 1.7 that Todd Collins for free.

Here's a little tough love... as much as I love the guy... if Ramsey couldn't establish himself as a starter in Washington under the conditions he's had... maybe he's just not going to. Great arm... great attitude, good leader.... but feet like mush... now if he had DEVELOPED any pocket presence in the last few years... he might not be in this situation. But he hasn't

When was he suppose to develope anything on the bench or running with the back up scrubs at practice? Coldn't establish himself as a starter? Of course not...you gave Brunell 32M and then spent another first rd pick on a QB. That determined who was going to start. Let's not forget Ramsey wanted to be traded when you signed brunell. You pretended it was something his agent made up but in reality he wanted out and has been in the doghouse since.

You love the guy? Great Arm,great leader,great attitude? but he's not worth a 6th rd pick because he has happy feet? Happy he feet he got from being throw to the wolves as you put it?

Looks to me like you are fan scorned looking to discredit him now that he's a NY Jet.

I expected more from the webmaster of this site. I know you will try to make this about me bashing the skins when in reality this was a poor attempt to bash the Jets.

I never said he was the next great QB....but I love how he's become trash overnight in washington because he plays for a new team.

fredp45 · Post by **fredp45** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:13 pm

I liked Ramsey and am very sorry to see him leave... I wanted the Skins to find a way to keep him around. I pity the guy having to play for the Jets though..their offense really stinks.

They have:
1) Curtis Martin-- he's nearly as old as Ray Brown. They should have kept Jordan.
2) L Coles - he's ain't Santana, I know that. Wayne is gone, does he know he's gone?
3) OLine -- look outttttttttt
4) NY Press -- they will eat poor Patrick alive.

The only hope they have is their new coach came from NE and maybe he can do something with this team. Wouldn't bank on that happening for a few years though...by then Ramsey may be gone, again.

I think Patrick should have pressed to go somewhere else -- the Lions with Martz as OCord, 3 good young WRs, Jones as RB, would have been good.

The Jets??? You must be kidding?

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:16 pm

Missy,

The day you do get a productive player from us, you may have some credit behind your posts. See the Moss/Coles threads in the past. Now that you are a newly converted fan of Patrick Ramsey, your past criticisms of him and the Skins play under him in this board sound like nothing else than sour grapes, as usual.

Do not tempt a few people to dig up some of your posts about him and the Skins under him. Not that we are going to have a greater appreciation of your posts one way or the other though. :roll:

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:18 pm

fredp45 wrote:The Jets??? You must be kidding?

Right on the money. I posted a similar message in another thread at the same time:

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... da9#242825

SirSmizzy · Post by **SirSmizzy** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:37 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:Missy,

The day you do get a productive player from us, you may have some credit behind your posts. See the Moss/Coles threads in the past. Now that you are a newly converted fan of Patrick Ramsey, your past criticisms of him and the Skins play under him in this board sound like nothing else than sour grapes, as usual.

Do not tempt a few people to dig up some of your posts about him and the Skins under him. Not that we are going to have a greater appreciation of your posts one way or the other though.

BH is a big boy...let him stick up for himself....because you aren't helping him out,trust me.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:43 pm

SirSmizzy wrote:BH is a big boy...let him stick up for himself....because you aren't helping him out,trust me.

He can take care of himself alright. :lol:

My post has nothing to do with him. My criticism of your sour-grape approach in this board is what I am addressing.

You always seem to be green with envy. (No Jets pun intended). My goodness, with all the poential in the world to be a BIG MONEY MARKER and HIGH REVENUE generating franchise, you guys are nothing but a mediocre and poor team in a town that is too big for you. If it had not been for an early and lonely success with Joe Namath, the Jets franchise would have disappeared from the face of the earth loooong time ago.

thaiphoon · Post by **thaiphoon** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:04 pm

You always seem to be green with envy. (No Jets pun intended). My goodness, with all the poential in the world to be a BIG MONEY MARKER and HIGH REVENUE generating franchise, you guys are nothing but a mediocre and poor team in a town that is too big for you. If it had not been for an early and lonely success with Joe Namath, the Jets franchise would have disappeared from the face of the earth loooong time ago.

Agreed. My wife is a NY native. With three teams to choose to root for she chose the Giants. She and many other NY'ers forget there are 2 other teams to choose from. I wonder why.

Smizzy I understand you're looking at it like you stole Ramsey away and now that he's there you want to pump him up. But you were down on him earlier and we shouldn't disregard earlier statements just because he's a Jet now. Look at it from our end. Yes I agree we coulda got more out of the deal than a 6th (and still wish we would've). We probably waited a tad too long to pull the deal by waiting for better offers from other teams. And with so many high profile QB's on the market we got slightly singed by it. But what we did get out of the deal is $1.7m in cap room in order to sign more FA players or pretty much help us sign our draft picks this year. Plus we picked up a 6th rounder from you. You got insurance for Chad, gave up a 6th rounder and have to assume $1.7m cap figure. The last is not hard to do if you're the Redskins, but if you're the Jets and you don't spend much to begin with its slightly harder to do. Plus Ramsey is going to walk after this year without a deal. You'll then have to be in the position to pony-up a ton of dough to keep him. Not sure the Jets FO wants to do that. So, next year you'll be looking for another QB to help you after Ramsey doesn't work out. I'm not really seeing how you guys got a massively better part of the deal here. It might be slightly better than ours but still I wouldn't spike yourself like you seem to be doing.

Ramsey is a class act and has a strong arm. I like the kid. I just don't think he'll do well in NY. Especially not with the Jets. Of course, I'll be pleasantly surprised if he does and I do wish the kid well. But he's dead to me now.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:05 pm

Good luck in New York, Patches.
The print media will dissect your every facial tic, and then comes Francesca and Russo on WFAN.
Smizzy, you got a good kid. Take care of him. He did what he could here.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:14 pm

SirSmizzy wrote:Another poor attempt by BossHogg to discredit me. Should I go dig up your old posts that said Coles,Hall,& Chad Morton were gonna put you over the top and how you "stole" them from us by overpaying them? how they were great signings? Spare me.You love to nit pick my posts. I like how you took that one sentence out of context to fit your adgenda. I said it was a good job bringing in a vet QB to show him the ropes.
..but lets face it...you overpaid him just like the skins do to EVERY FREE AGENT. You name 1 free agent or coach you brought in during the Snyder era that you didn't have to grossly over pay to get him a skins uniform?

I did say the skins loaded up on some young talent. Whats your point? Oh thats right you don't have one....you just wanted to tell me the Jets won't make an effort,right?

Ramsey got a fair shake?? When? When spurrier brought in His junk QB's? when Gibbs brought in Brunnell after 3 days on the job? The first half of the Giants game?

Are you defending Ramsey, your new found support of Ramsey, or just trying to bash the Skins. Boss only said that the Jets won't spend money. The don't spend money in March, Old regime, New regime doesn't matter it's the J E T S. Your QBs all most got killed last year (all of them) and you start rebuilding the O-line by releasing Kevin Mawae and Jason Fabini but who have you brought in to replace them... Oh Yeah :lol:

Patrick Ramsey the QB on the market that has proven he can take a licking. Guess that offense is all set now. Get rid of JA and the D will be done for the offseason right?

SirSmizzy wrote:Since when does speed matter at the QB spot? Thsi isn't Madden.

When he'll be running for his life because someone forgot to pick up the CB AGAIN.

SirSmizzy wrote:Whatever will help you sleep better at night. Id rather have Ramsey for 1.7 that Todd Collins for free.

Everyone knew Ramsey had to go for the cap space (I pointed that out to you a while back) You almost get what you ask for considering you got Ramsay and the contract added to your cap and we will take a cap hit of $1.25 this year for Collins (If you don't get it I'll sum it up We replaced Ramsey, got a 6 round draft pick and save half a million on the cap).

Why would anyone be upset about that.

Britskin · Post by **Britskin** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:40 pm

I think both franchises got something out of this which is why the deal got done. Its hard as a Redskin fan to trade an experienced , former 1st rnd pick for a 6th rounder but thems the breaks. We needed cap space and Patrick needed a fresh start - he`s been an uncomplaining backup and I sort of wish him well, but not too well. I really hope that Campbell has much more success with us than Patrick had.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:20 pm

I'm not trying to discredit you... I don't need to... anyone paying attention knows that you're going to butter both sides of the bread at some point.

Obviously you didn't read my post very carefully, or some of the others in the thread... we get it... Patrick for a 6th rounder is a slag deal in your opinion... and it is on the surface I guess... if you ignore the fact that it's a rental unless you pony up some cssh next year, he was going to sit on our bench... and the most important part... WE WANTED THE CAP MONEY. Joe Gibbs also respects Patrick very much and promised him that if he wanted a shot somewhere else that he'd grant him his wish.

I don't need a history lesson on the Skins either... I've been here for the entire time he has... I know what he has endured... I also know that coming in last year... there was nothing to stop him from being successful... nothing... and he was terrible. He stunk in training camp, he stunk in the preseason... replacing him when he got hurt wasn't that tough a decision... because he wasn't showing much to begin with. He had a year to learn the new system... he was getting better blocking... we were trying to establish the running game ANYWAY... and he still couldn't find a comfort zone. That's an observation... not a condemnation.

As I said... really like the kid, hope he does well in a new environment... and wish him nothing but the best.

You missed other points too - why'd I say that you made the point about 'how do the skins do it?' Because you did and though you still seem to be missing this point... the Redskins made a move like the Ramsey deal because draft pick aside... it's the CAP SPACE they want... so they can go after free agents that they DO think will help the team. So they can get that young talent you were talking about, instead of spending money on a guy who's going to sit on the bench all year and be looking for a pretty big contract next year regardless.

You resort to saying that Ramsey was in the doghouse for 'wanting out' because you still can't accept that it just wasn't true... and even if it was... why on earth would Gibbs even name Ramsey the starter going into last season if he didn't like the kid. That may be a Jets' fans' take on it and you're entitled to it, but I don't think there's anything to suggest that it's even remotely true. It certainly didn't present that way day in and day out... DESPITE the media's attempts to turn patrick into a pariah, he actually just went bout his business in a very professional manner.

As for the Madden comment... wouldn't know... don't play the game... don't even own a game console... so if you're insinuating that my football knowledge is based on a football game, then that would make your point as self-serving and factless as most of your points. The point isn't strictly that he is slow... it's that HE HIMSELF seems to know it and it makes him panic in the pocket a fair bit... he shifts his feet constantly and never sets before firing... it often results in errant throws... maybe you'll see it in NY... maybe not... maybe this is the situation that finally works for the kid... like i said... I for one hope so and will be pulling for him.

But if he can't get it done in NY either, he's just another nice kid with a big arm that couldn't adjust to the speed of the NFL game.

As for scorned... I can only presume that perhaps you've mistaken the word for some other word... or you're just grossly exaggerating even your own jaded view of things.

I'm happy with the move... we needed the cap... Patrick's going to get another chance somewhere else... and you're flying off the handle in the offseason as usual... all is right with the world. Would I have liked to have got more? Sure... doesn't everyone always want more? But while your solution was to deal Ramsey before we got Collins... we acted on Collins because we WANTED him, and in the modern free agency era... you act fast or get left in the cold. You seem to think that this Ramsey thing was new news but they were trying to deal him for ages before... and arduously because before the new CBA, his cap space was needed even more.

We didn't find any suitors... so we got Collins when FA opened because we didn't want to lose him as he's a great third QB to help Brunell and Campbell learn Saunders' system.

True.. we could have held out... maybe got a 4th or a 5th for him instead of a 6th... but we might not have got Collins and we wouldn't have just freed up more space to sign draft picks or another free agent... and if we wait HOPING the stakes go up a round or two... and then draft day comes... it's likely that ALL teams will have looked after their QB needs and we'd get even less.

I really don't understand what about my post makes me unable, unworthy or unbecoming a webmaster, but I don't really care either. If you don't like the webmaster or the way the site is run... change the channel.

PulpExposure · Post by **PulpExposure** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 7:46 pm

You forgot Pat loves to lock onto one receiver for ages. That's kind of his downfall imho.

The game that I think killed Joe Gibbs' faith in him was the Giants game in 2004. 4 turnovers in a little more than a half...including one INT that was freaking just gut-turning.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:38 pm

tcwest10 wrote:Good luck in New York, Patches.
The print media will dissect your every facial tic, and then comes Francesca and Russo on WFAN.
Smizzy, you got a good kid. Take care of him. He did what he could here.

Not that it really matters now... but why Patches? Who was calling him that?

It's very fitting, but this is the first I've heard of it... is that because I'm out of the loop as far as local broadcasts go? In some places is Patches just a nickname for Patrick?

SirSmizzy · Post by **SirSmizzy** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:55 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
SirSmizzy wrote:BH is a big boy...let him stick up for himself....because you aren't helping him out,trust me.
He can take care of himself alright.

My post has nothing to do with him. My criticism of your sour-grape approach in this board is what I am addressing.

You always seem to be green with envy. (No Jets pun intended). My goodness, with all the poential in the world to be a BIG MONEY MARKER and HIGH REVENUE generating franchise, you guys are nothing but a mediocre and poor team in a town that is too big for you. If it had not been for an early and lonely success with Joe Namath, the Jets franchise would have disappeared from the face of the earth loooong time ago.

You guys are pathetic. All I said was we got a good deal for Ramsey and your entire message board got pissed off? Why was that? Oh yes because it's you with the problem. Be happy for Ramsey...He will get a chance to play. He didn't get that here.

What's the problem?

SirSmizzy · Post by **SirSmizzy** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:57 pm

1niksder wrote:
SirSmizzy wrote:Another poor attempt by BossHogg to discredit me. Should I go dig up your old posts that said Coles,Hall,& Chad Morton were gonna put you over the top and how you "stole" them from us by overpaying them? how they were great signings? Spare me.You love to nit pick my posts. I like how you took that one sentence out of context to fit your adgenda. I said it was a good job bringing in a vet QB to show him the ropes.
..but lets face it...you overpaid him just like the skins do to EVERY FREE AGENT. You name 1 free agent or coach you brought in during the Snyder era that you didn't have to grossly over pay to get him a skins uniform?

I did say the skins loaded up on some young talent. Whats your point? Oh thats right you don't have one....you just wanted to tell me the Jets won't make an effort,right?

Ramsey got a fair shake?? When? When spurrier brought in His junk QB's? when Gibbs brought in Brunnell after 3 days on the job? The first half of the Giants game?

Are you defending Ramsey, your new found support of Ramsey, or just trying to bash the Skins. Boss only said that the Jets won't spend money. The don't spend money in March, Old regime, New regime doesn't matter it's the J E T S. Your QBs all most got killed last year (all of them) and you start rebuilding the O-line by releasing Kevin Mawae and Jason Fabini but who have you brought in to replace them... Oh Yeah Patrick Ramsey the QB on the market that has proven he can take a licking. Guess that offense is all set now. Get rid of JA and the D will be done for the offseason right?

SirSmizzy wrote:Since when does speed matter at the QB spot? Thsi isn't Madden.

When he'll be running for his life because someone forgot to pick up the CB AGAIN.

SirSmizzy wrote:Whatever will help you sleep better at night. Id rather have Ramsey for 1.7 that Todd Collins for free.
Everyone knew Ramsey had to go for the cap space (I pointed that out to you a while back) You almost get what you ask for considering you got Ramsay and the contract added to your cap and we will take a cap hit of $1.25 this year for Collins (If you don't get it I'll sum it up We replaced Ramsey, got a 6 round draft pick and save half a million on the cap).

Why would anyone be upset about that.

Oh please....Go reread my first post and then his and tell me who started what. this is way beyond sad.