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DiRTyHoG3026 wrote:Ken wizzunhunt(sp?) loves randle el way too much. I watch all of the steelers games and he does at least two or three trick plays per game with him. Plus, I think he's gonna try to stay with pittsburgh, even if he gets less money. Why would he leave a situation where he's a lock for the playoffs and a super bowl contender every year?


To come to another situation where he was a lock for the playoffs and a Super Bowl contender every year! :wink: ... and for the money!
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AI like him, but I really don't think he is what we need. We need a guy who is about 225 to give us that big target guy.
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I dont know about you guys but after last nights performance I'd love to have him as our #2 if possible.

He showed great hands.
He showed the ability to catch the ball in traffic.
He uses his body to shield the defender.
He can be our #3 QB! :lol:
He and CP both will be able to toss passes on gadget plays.
He'd definately command attention and free up Santana and Cooley.
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Agreed....would be great to have him here...however...I doubt the Steelers are going to let him go anywhere.
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1.) I don't think Gibbs has a history of finding diamonds in the rough, Beatheard (sp) did...

Gibbs hasn't had much luck at all IMO, White, McCune, Newberry, Broughton, Wilson, and Molinaro are Gibbs' second day picks since he's been back and only one (Molinaro) looks like a real prospect, and many of those players are no longer with the team.

Maybe he'll get lucky in this draft, but Gibbs does not have the Midas touch as far as drafting goes... sorry.

2.) Randle El is too small, I think someone already said this but we don't need another tiny reciever. David Patten will probably be our #3 next season and we need a bigger more physical guy to go over the middle to set up long routes and screens for Moss.

We'll probably see some #3 reciever come in who is a virtual unknown, the papers will get on Snyder and the team for not trying to make a big move (even thouigh they're the same ones who slam him when he makes a big FA signing) and they'll be used in the system perfectly and rack up like 800+ yards recieving and 5+ TD's.
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Yeah we don't need another tiny receiver, I assume you'd be the same guy knocking Moss for his size before he showed up here. If Gibbs likes Randle El then I'm all for it.

Gibbs may not find a lot of diamonds in the rough in the draft?????????? He found Cooley. If that's not a diamond in the rough then I have no idea what is. And his ability to do this via free agency is even better. So I'm not worried in the least.
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lol, Moss is a fine WR, but he can't do it all!

He's got some flaws, he can't win on jump balls, he isn't the best at going over the middle.

We need a compliment to him! Someone who can do all the things that Santana is lacking in.

Oh and I like the clever argument that because I say Randle El is not what the Skins need that I must be trash talking Santana Moss too, well played!... not.

And Cooley had like more receptions that any other TE in the NCAA that year, he was NOT an unknown diamond in the rough. He was clearly going to be a very good football player. It's not a huge surprise that he's found the kind of success he has.

Diamonds in the rough are guys like Willie Parker who never started a game in college, or Jeff Bostic who was an undrafted free agent, or Mark Schlereth who was drafted in the 10th round, etc. etc.

Cooley was a pretty safe pick on draft day.
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You didn't like Randle El because he's small. Is Santant Moss not small????? Hello??? It's called logic, check into it sometime.

Oh and everyone always expects huge talent out of a third round pick? I think not. Cooley was a diamond in the rough because he was great value for where we found him. His quality way exceeds his place in that draft.
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Skinsfan55, I'm not sure if you noticed but the Steelers just won the Super Bowl without a starting WR taller than 6'. Also, this season the two best WRs in football were Moss and Smith. Size doesn't mean anything, what's important is being a rounded FOOTBALL player.
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NikiH wrote:You didn't like Randle El because he's small. Is Santant Moss not small????? Hello??? It's called logic, check into it sometime.

Oh and everyone always expects huge talent out of a third round pick? I think not. Cooley was a diamond in the rough because he was great value for where we found him. His quality way exceeds his place in that draft.


No, you're wrong.

The TE class was VERY deep that year, we were lucky that Cooley dropped to the 3rd round but he was a safe pick, especially for the role we wanted, H-Back.

It was no surprise to anyone that he was able to be a productive weapon in a Joe Gibbs offense.

How can a guy be a diamond in the rough when Joe Gibbs had him scouted all along and traded a pick to get him?! That doesn't make sense.

And thanks for the lesson in logic, clearly saying that Randle El, a small reciever with the same weaknesses as Moss without half the positives isn't what we need is a huge knock on Moss!

You WANT two DT's who are 6-3 300 pounds and have the same skillset, you want two OT's who are the same size with similar skills, you don't usually want two recievers the same size with same skills, you want a balance, like the Skins had with Monk and Clark in the late 80's early 90's.

And hkHog, you're confusing size and playing ability. Randle El is almost 200 pounds according to some sources, and he's quick but not a burner with his speed. He's a playmaker with the ball in his hands because he's agile, but he's not going to burn by people like Moss... so in short, he's like Moss without the speed or separation ability.

Hines Ward is 6-0 215, and he excells at making the catch in traffic, he plays much bigger than his size and he is probably the best blocker at WR in the NFL... he's not very explosive and isn't much of a threat for YAC but when he's single covered he can muscle for the ball.

He is a totally different type of WR! That's why the Steelers are so successful, they have two different types of weapons who cover up for the shortcomings of the other WR!

If Randle El (5'10'' 192 pounds) was built like stone and could make the catch over the middle in traffic and fight for jump balls in single coverage then he would fit, he would compliment Santana nicely, but he doesn't so I don't want him.

Besides, his price tag will be too high.
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Skinsfan55 wrote:1.) I don't think Gibbs has a history of finding diamonds in the rough, Beatheard (sp) did...

Gibbs hasn't had much luck at all IMO, White, McCune, Newberry, Broughton, Wilson, and Molinaro are Gibbs' second day picks since he's been back and only one (Molinaro) looks like a real prospect, and many of those players are no longer with the team.

Only two of those players are no longer with the team.

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McCune played ST at the end
Newberry gone
Broughton, played special teams some this year.
Wlison gone
Molinaro still here.
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Okay, my bad, I forgot that McCune was a practice squad call up and that Nemo came back...

But only Nemo or White will be back IMO (same type of player) and I still stand by my saying that Molinaro looks like the only prospect.

I hope I'm wrong, I hope McCune becomes a beast middle linebacker and White or Nemo become a Mike Sellers type red-zone weapon...

but the fact remains that Gibbs had a GM when he was getting all those late round stars. It wasn't all on him, and it would be silly to expect a bunch of 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th rounders to become superstars in Washington just because St. Gibbs is here.
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Either way, I don't think we will even have to chance to sign Randle El anymore.

Last night, everyone saw how valuable Randle El is to the Steelers, and I highly doubt they will let him walk away.
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The irony is that many of us would now seem to be satisfied with a WR at No.2 who could put up the same kind of numbers Gardner used to put up.
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How can a guy be a diamond in the rough when Joe Gibbs had him scouted all along and traded a pick to get him?! That doesn't make sense.


It does to me. It takes someone to recognize that diamond and to grab it and thats what Joe did. It took Joe to realize that he was worth a trade, if Cooley was such a hot commidity he would have went in the 2nd round. He's been a better TE than Heath? who was taken in the 1st round. Neither you or I know how far Cooley would have fallen, it very well could have been to the 4th or 5th round. You mention Willie Parker, someone had to recognize some type of spark in him to give him a chance also.

I dont see a diamond in the ruff being a blind stroke of luck. Its luck that these players pass their path but not that the talent is recognized.
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Skinsfan55 wrote:Okay, my bad, I forgot that McCune was a practice squad call up and that Nemo came back...


You forgot that Nemo came back and that McCune played ?
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Back on Topic with a UPDATE

Redskins look at Randle El
By Ryan O'Halloran
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
February 27, 2006

INDIANAPOLIS -- If the Washington Redskins are able to rework enough contracts and cut enough players to get under the projected salary cap of $95 million by Thursday and then free up some more cash to sign a new player, Pittsburgh receiver Antwaan Randle El could be on their radar.
Randle El had 35 catches for 558 yards and a touchdown and returned 44 punts for a 10.2-yard average and two touchdowns last season. He threw a touchdown in the Super Bowl. The Redskins clearly need help at receiver, and their punt return game (28th in the NFL) was a season-long exhibition in short gains or fair catches.
Randle El is expected to be pursued by Chicago and Philadelphia. Pittsburgh would like to keep Randle El but not at the kind of price he will command on the open market.
"I don't know if he priced himself out [of the our plans]," said Kevin Colbert, director of football operations for the Steelers. "We don't know the interest level, but we certainly have an interest in keeping Antwaan. Anytime you win a Super Bowl, it enhances your value, maybe artificially.
"Antwaan is a unique player. When you look at his sheer numbers, you're not going to be real impressed, but there's no doubt he was a big part of our success."
Cleveland Browns general manager Phil Savage said Randle El's market value is tough to gauge.
"He's not a cookie-cutter receiver," Savage said. "He's a little different, and that's one thing I admire about what Pittsburgh has done. They've taken a Randle El and a Hines Ward and have known what to do with those guys. They've been creative."
If the Steelers lose Randle El, Colbert didn't rule out drafting somebody like Missouri quarterback Brad Smith, who could play a variety of positions in the NFL.
A shot-in-the-dark scenario: The Redskins sign Randle El. He serves as their kick/punt returner, No. 3 receiver and No. 3 quarterback. It probably won't happen, but it would save the Redskins some cap space because, if they trade Patrick Ramsey, they would need to acquire another quarterback.
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i think we have a good chance at nabbing him but it all relies on this cba
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If anyone has ESPN INSIDER capabilties, please go to the website and get the article about randle el....it has the headline that the skins are after randle el......check it out, and get back to us because i can not read it
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I really don't want Randle El, in fact I would be pretty disappointed to land him in free agency.

He will command more money than he is worth, he's a slot reciever and would not compliment Moss at all... He's a decent but unremarkable player who would be a slight upgrade on Patten.

He would fit on the Bears playing 2nd WR to MM.
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Skins after Randle El
<Feb. 27> If the Redskins can find a way to get under the projected salary cap of $95 million, they'll likely make a run at Randle El, The Washington Times reports.
The Bears and Eagles are also interested in Randle El, an unrestricted free agent. Randle El, like Eagles QB Donovan McNabb, grew up in the Chicago area and is represented by Fletcher Smith. Although the Steelers would like to retain Randle El, the wide receiver's asking price is probably too high for Pittsburgh.

"I don't know if he priced himself out [of the our plans]," said Kevin Colbert, director of football operations for the Steelers. "We don't know the interest level, but we certainly have an interest in keeping Antwaan. Anytime you win a Super Bowl, it enhances your value, maybe artificially.


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SkinzCanes wrote:We have no use for Randel El. He basically does the same types of things that Moss does. What we need is a bigger, possesion type receiver and not another speed guy....we have enough of those already.


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SirSmizzy wrote:
SkinzCanes wrote:We have no use for Randel El. He basically does the same types of things that Moss does. What we need is a bigger, possesion type receiver and not another speed guy....we have enough of those already.


Bingo.


We have a use for anyone that can get open consistently enough to draw attention off of Moss. While a nice 7 foot possession reciever might be optimal, JJ from Seattle is getting older and El is still young. Patten in the slot, Randle-el a #2, Cooley and Portis from the backfield and Sellers as a Red Zone threat... I can think off many worse compbinations.
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Eric Moulds is going to be released by the Bills, I would LOVE to get him!
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tcwest10 wrote:I don't know what's going on here, but you can bet on one thing. There's no shortage of knowledgable posters here that will call you out on it every single time.
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Think about what you're saying before you say it. You have responsibility as a seasoned poster to be as informed as possible...
You are asking for something that is fair to ask but it is too much to give by the other side at least up to now.

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