pass defense problems

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:57 pm

it seemed like they were making thos 10-15 yard completions at will during the 2nd half against us. how concerned should we be about this?

obviously it wasn't TOO bad, i mean, holding any team to 17 points is pretty darn good, especially when they are a pretty good offensive team. it just wasn't the dominant defense i expected to clamp down the lead we got.

our rookie CB got the start as walt harris rested an injury. rogers looked pretty good but you could tell he is still learning and not quite at the level harris has been playing. plus ade jimoh was bumped up to nickelback and that can't have been good. add to that the fact that prioleau was also resting an injury, and sean taylor came out for a lot of the game with a shoulder injury (if i'm understanding that correctly).

it seems like all of these injuries are relatively minor and most if not all these guys should be back in the game next week or shortly thereafter. my bet is if we had those guys back in, the seahawks would probably never have been close to winning. i'm not going to get too worried until jimoh becomes an every week starter.

**i am perhaps unfairly assuming that jimoh was the one getting beat pretty often. if this is not true, please correct me. it's just sort of become a habit to blame jimoh.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:01 am

The CB's that we had starting today displayed our glaring weakness. They didn't play too bad but they arent good enough to compensate for our horrible pass rush. We're blessed to have our starts play as well as they do in these situatins.

Taylor is hurt.
Clark still isn't 100%
Bowen isnt 100%
Prioleau isn't 100$
Walt is hurt
Rogers is young
Ade sucks

We did extremely well considering these circumstandes.

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:06 am

I was more disspointed in the rush than in the corners. Springs played well as usual and Rogers did well considering that he was making his first career NFL start. There is only so much that a corner can do if there isn't an effective pass rush and today Hasselbeck had all day to throw the ball. Even when we blitzed it didn't seem to be that effective. We have to improve our rush significantly if we want to beat teams like the Broncos, Chiefs, and Eagles.

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:24 am

Weren't they the #2 offensive team in the league coming into this game? If they stuck with the quick 5-10 yard passes all game long, we would have lost. They started out that way and the Skins didn't cover those passes at all.

All in all, however, although the defense could have played better, I'm proud that our defense held the #2 offense to only 17 points.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:45 am

I thought Rogers was a little shaky...first start?? Harris has played better to this point. Just wish GW would get a little more pressure.

box8276 · Post by **box8276** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:37 am

Lavar could be supplying the pressure... but the commentators said he didnt play cause of the coach's decision. What's that about? They said he didnt fit into alot of their schemes, but line him up at DE on passing downs and let him go. This really baffles me, considering our LACK of pass rush.

roybus14 · Post by **roybus14** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:39 am

I am really concerned with the lack of pressure from the pass rush. I honesty think that they should use the "Six-Million-Dollar-Man" Lavar as a DE like L.T. was used. The worst that could happen is that teams will run to his side more. Our LBs and CBs are good enough too make up for that. He would be a "speed rush" threat on the pass and would be fast enough to run down plays going to the other side.

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:01 am

I thought the D was great as usual. They gave up a few plays but nothing big.

I feel like this Gregg Williams D has been very vanilla so far this year. We are playing very conservatively just like our offense. We haven't blitzed that much.

The thing that really sticks out though is turnovers. In week 1 we had 1 FF and 1 int and since then nothing. Only the Ravens and Texans have less. Then sacks, 4 in three games. Only Carolina (yes Carolina) and Cleveland have less.

But we are still 5th overall and tied for fourth in scoring. It's almost like we're playing a prevent D all the time but it's working. I think this actually shows just how GOOD our secondary is. They are disciplined and don't need that much pressure even to slow down a very good offense like Seattle which has only scored 17 or less in seven out of its last 42 games. I don't see anything wrong with our secondary at all.

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:55 pm

hkHog wrote:I feel like this Gregg Williams D has been very vanilla so far this year. We are playing very conservatively just like our offense. We haven't blitzed that much.

i think it seems like we haven't blitzed much because we haven't seen a lot of QB pressure/sacks/etc. but i think we have been blitzing plenty, only to see the blitzes get picked up and the offense beat it. the play that set up their first TD was a backfired big blitz, for example.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:10 pm

We rushed our corners a lot yesterday. Then you had Jimoh covering with ST. And we know he was off his game yesterday.

Redskins1974 · Post by **Redskins1974** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:15 pm

I know against Dallas, Williams said they did not blitz 70% of the time. I think each week will be different.

Williams did admit that Seattle's half time adjustments got the better of the D - he was very aware of the situation and blamed himself.

King Cali Skin 2 · Post by **King Cali Skin 2** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:30 pm

Really helps out our scoring and field position for the O, if our D can get some freaking sacks or turnovers, aren't we (-) in the T.O. battle?

Since we don't have a 1st rounder next year are we drafting or going for DT, DE, WR in the open market? Sort of off topic.

Nice to have Lavar at end scare the crap out of O-linemen. Super speeed

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:09 pm

I expect us to blitz a lot against Denver. Plumer can be very effective if he is given time in the pocket, but he really struggles and starts forcing things when he is put under pressure (see Dolphins game in week 1).

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:38 pm

I have a feeling that we'll be acquiring a 1st rounder somehow and that a DE will be in order. A DE and then a WR.

SkinsBigtime · Post by **SkinsBigtime** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:18 pm

I may have a different opinion than 90% of the members of this site. Every single time Lavar played defensive end last year and in the preseason of this year, he has done absolutely nothing. He is a LB to me unless he proves otherwise. That might be a reason that Greg is sticking him in the back-up LB spot.

My 2 cents

1fan4ramsey · Post by **1fan4ramsey** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:27 pm

was it me or did it seem like their back coming out of the backfield was open all day in the flat?

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:45 pm

1fan4ramsey wrote:was it me or did it seem like their back coming out of the backfield was open all day in the flat?

They did have a lot of success in the flats but we also made some good open field tackles. I remeber Rogers and Springs coming down from their zones to make sure tackles.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:56 pm

I'm also concerned about the pass defense and think its more that just a few injuries. Our rushing game has got to improve. Daniels is not getting it done and Wynn has never gotten it done. Where's Clemons? LaVar could be used to rush. So far, Holdman's a bust. We have genuine weakness that should be addressed and corrected now.

HailSkins94 · Post by **HailSkins94** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:11 pm

A minor excuse for Seattle's tieing TD in the 4th quarter would be that #21 was on the sidelines for the entire drive.