Andy Groom cut...

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:32 pm

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=10630

Did any one else see this? I did a search and I don't think I was scooped, but why the change at punter?

Wysocki · Post by **Wysocki** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:37 pm

Kinda surprising...nice guns on Mr. Frost though...

Punu · Post by **Punu** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:45 pm

not too sure what that's about. mabye he can pass and now we have another QB? :lol:

(bad joke)

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:46 pm

I'm surprised, too. Why even worry about our punting unit right now? We've got other things to address.

Groom didn't do too bad against Dallas considering the field position Dallas' punt units gave us.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:52 pm

This is the first time I hear about D. Frost. Upgrading our special teams unit will always be a plus for our field position battles, but I wish the kid would have gotten a little more time. He did well in preseason, but there DID seem to be a drop-off once he was named the starter.

patjam77 · Post by **patjam77** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:04 pm

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:This is the first time I hear about D. Frost. Upgrading our special teams unit will always be a plus for our field position battles, but I wish the kid would have gotten a little more time. He did well in preseason, but there DID seem to be a drop-off once he was named the starter.

I'm very confused about this move... anyone have any theories on this? Their numbers are very similar.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:07 pm

patjam77 wrote:
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:This is the first time I hear about D. Frost. Upgrading our special teams unit will always be a plus for our field position battles, but I wish the kid would have gotten a little more time. He did well in preseason, but there DID seem to be a drop-off once he was named the starter.

I'm very confused about this move... anyone have any theories on this? Their numbers are very similar.

Experience. Frost has a year on Groom. Groom appeared to struggle to put up numbers like he did in the preseason.

Joe has always favored "veterans", so I'm hoping Frost can deliver.

Wysocki · Post by **Wysocki** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:18 pm

and Frost won't be the last punter we'll employ this year...

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:19 pm

This is another one of those things where I have to come to the conclusion that the coaches know a lot more than I do. That's pretty obvious considering they watch these guys play and practice every day. Their stats seem almost identical but Frost does have a year on Groom. Also Frost is huge, 6'4" 208 lbs. He's got three inches and 25 lbs on Groom so maybe he can really boom it. I thought Groom was pretty good but if it will help the team I'm all for it.

I have to say 24 inside the 20 with ONLY 4 touchbacks is pretty good.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:21 pm

It might also be that the Groom-Novak connection (kicker/holder) wasn't working out right.

AHA!! That's it!! Nick Novak got him fired. :lol:

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:41 pm

My feeling is that Groom had difficulty dropping some of his punts inside the 20 yard line. I think I remember two instances where we had to punt and his punts sailed into the endzone when Tupa would easily have dropped them inside the 20 with no runback.

Aside from that, maybe the guy just had a bit of a tood.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:42 pm

I thought the knock against Groom was that, although he had a big leg, he didn't do a good job with directional kicks?

redskindave · Post by **redskindave** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:14 pm

Wow, Im surprised, I thought Groom was doing pretty well HTTR

KPrince1975 · Post by **KPrince1975** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:32 pm

I call for Gibbs to be fired immediately! JK :wink:

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:47 pm

Gibbs is just proving to the world that he is trying to win now and he will do whatever it takes to do so.
-bench people, cut people, sign people, trade people...

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:53 pm

The Hogster wrote:Gibbs is just proving to the world that he is trying to win now and he will do whatever it takes to do so.
-bench people, cut people, sign people, trade people...

Of course, the Hataz (in the media) will probably call it instability in the locker room, or something. :roll:

Joe will show THEM!!

skinsdeep · Post by **skinsdeep** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:10 pm

I always seem to have trust in what Coach does and hopefully he did the right thing. Plus, I hate Buckeyes anyways. Hehe.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:27 pm

I agre with Redeemed. Joe knows what he is looking for with all of his players.

HailSkins94 · Post by **HailSkins94** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:59 pm

While I am a little confused, Groom wasn't kicking nearly as well as he did in the preseason.

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:52 pm

There was one 4th down during the MNF game, where we had to punt from midfield. I remember looking where the ball was placed, and where Groom was going to be kicking from. The ball was on the Cowboy 42 yard line and Groom kicked it from right around the 50 yard line. That's the type of situational punt where you almost HAVE to hang it high and drop it around the 10 yard line and have the defenders already down there. Well, on that punt, Groom booted the damn thing and it sailed right into the end zone. The thing is, he was trying for hang time but put too much on it and it went into the end zone. Gibbs, as every coach in the NFL is, believes that the battle of field position is one of the most important battles of the game, and giving it to them at the 20 yard line when we could have given it to them around the 5 yard line is a big deal.

I think Groom had a powerful leg, but wasn't able to place it where he wanted to. He just hung it up there and kicked the daylights out of it. Field position is too important to mess around with.

blchizzleke · Post by **blchizzleke** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:14 pm

He will be missed. :-({|=

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:23 pm

Check out redskins.com and watch Gibbs' most recent press conference. He talks a lot about the punting situation. Here are a few things that stood out:

Came from a football family, dad's a coach

Excellent holder

Danny Smith did lots of research, felt like they were somewhat fortunate w/ some bounces and needed to upgrade

But, the thing that really stood out - he can kickoff! I think he can be a bit of a safety net for Hall if he has to come back before he's 100% and he can definately take some strain off his leg. Gibbs also directly pointed to the whole Akers situation stating that under no circumstances would he make a kicker kickoff unless he was at full strength. He said on kickoffs they have to go all out and it was way too much strain for a guy who was somewhat injured. So, I think that may be the real story here.

redskingush · Post by **redskingush** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:39 pm

Isn't Frost the former Nebraska QB that was converted to a punter a few years back?

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:54 pm

redskingush wrote:Isn't Frost the former Nebraska QB that was converted to a punter a few years back?

Nope but read this:

Personal Bio

Full name is Derrick Frost … Also a pitcher for the Northern Iowa baseball team, going 1-2 with a 9.19 ERA in 11 games, including five starts … Earned three letters each in football and baseball at Clayton (St. Louis, Mo.) High School … As a senior, kicked 15 FGs, including two of 50 yards or more … Made 95 percent of his extra points (91-95) and averaged 41.7 yards punting during his high school career … All-conference quarterback, linebacker, punter and kicker.

http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.aspx?id=34968

So it looks like he has an arm. Interesting :twisted:

Maybe we can throw a couple ST plays back in the playbook even if Tupa's injured. Also, the fact that he played LB hopefully means he still knows how to tackle.

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:31 pm

Hmm, I haven't seen a good ole fashioned fake punt in a while, nice!