Change at QB

[redskins203]

I know that there are a lot of Patrick Ramsey fans on this site so I'll try not to offend as many people as I can but come on. 3 interceptions (bad ones at that) to 1 touchdown playing the entire first half of both preseason games. This is not the QB I want going into the season. So what if he threw some deep balls last night(we all knew he could do that) he throws way to many picks and not enough touchdowns. Poor decision making. This has been his story since coming into the league besides the fact that he holds the ball to long and the obvious that he can't move in the pocket. Pat was like this last year too (more interception than TD's) in the limited amount of starts he had. He had like one perfect game last year and now he is our starter again by default (poor play by Brunnell last year and a rookie that needs more snaps). He has no consistency, no game to see the field, and sometimes can't make the adjustment to get the ball to the receiver. We all know deep down that Pat is not a great QB (average at best, a good back-up) and probably will never be one here in Washington. He can't take us to the playoffs. We just keep giving him the benefit of the doubt because of Spurrier, different playbooks, O-line play, and the fact that he hasn't had enough chances to really start but all that is over. Why the loyalty? Has Ramsey really shown us anything besides the fact that he has an arm since he has been here? Gibbs is no dummy...he knew what kind of QB he had prior to coming back to Washington and that is why Brunnell got snatched up so fast in the offseason his first year and we drafted a QB so high in the draft this year. But we all seem to scratch our heads at the moves Gibb's has made at QB thinking that he is trying to dethrown some great QB. Not me..I see it clearly, Patrick Ramsey is no good. Ramsey hasn't changed at all and if he continues to make these mistakes in the preseason he will be either on the bench watching Brunnell play at the start of the season or leading us to another losing season. We need a change at QB to have a chance this year. Does anyone else see this?

[SO. CAL. SKIN DUDE]

I completely agree. Gibbs, et. al. have some serious and tough decisions to make in the next few days and weeks regarding the QB position.

Don't know what to really make of it, but I'll be damned if Brunell is not a different QB. And no, don't give me this bull that the guy is playing against the second stingers, cause the heat and accuracy on many of his passes would be completed against any type of defense. Brunell must have been hurt something awful last year, becuase he did not have half of the velocity he has on the last two pre-season games.

I would certainly hate to be in your shoes Joe.

[spenser]

I am and have been a huge patrick ramsey supporter, and still believe he can be a decent qb, but dude is right, he will never be an elite qb and pretty much everything he said i totally agree with. Good arm, but as crazy as this sounds, Pat thinks to much. hes to mecanical and not enough instinct/playmarker ability. he makes bad decisions and i believe he overthinks things. Dude has a good arm but the stats dont lie, preseason or not. More INT's than Td's equal more L's than W's. Granted I have been drinking quite a bit but brunell has looked way more comfortable thus far. I would NEVER defend brunell's play last year, but you still have to take in to consideration that the team had not really jelled early last year and he was coming off injury and hadnt played in over a year (elbow injury). Certaain aspects of the passing game did look better... but im starting to wonder about our qb situation...

[SkinsLaVar]

2 words....
Jason Campbell



2 more words.......

[hatsOFF2gibbs]

2 words....
Jason Campbell

2 more words.......

That's exactly what we're going to see in the future. Maybe not this season but he's the one that will lead us to happiness.

About the Ramsey thing, I think we should give him just a little bit more time. Maybe two/three games into the season...if he still plays awful, then we should have an immediate change at QB. Then Brunell will play...if he plays well, well....than that's good! If he's the same as last year....we'll just let Samuels slip and fall down. Then we'll have our man Campbell leading the Skins to a Rothlisberger-type season!!!!

[Shabba]

Patrick is aweful. Heshould be doing better than this. You could see the hurt in coaches eyes after those picks. I like Pat too but he stinks.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Im going to keep my opinion to myself since Im riding shotgun on our bandwagon...

However! I will say that my father agrees with you and keeps saying that "QB's are born, not made...they've been trying to make Ramsey a QB."

He agrees with you. I was very dissapointed tonight at the game. Preseason or not an INT is an INT and an INT sucks at ANY TIME!

[redskincity]

WOW! 2 preseasons and here we go. Stay true fellas, give the man a break. I watched alot of preseaon games and I even saw Tom Brady look shaky. Its the preseason lighten up.

[SkinsFanInHawai'i]

WOW! 2 preseasons and here we go. Stay true fellas, give the man a break. I watched alot of preseaon games and I even saw Tom Brady look shaky. Its the preseason lighten up.

If it looks like poop, and smells like poop, it must be poop.


But seriously, Ramsey needs to get his act together. If he can not get it done in the preseason, I don't think he will do to well during the regular season. I know we want the running game to take over, but still. At this point I want to start Brunell and trade Patrick.

I guess I'm just being pestimistic.

I still have 2 more games to form an opinion.

[hailskins666]

WOW! 2 preseasons and here we go. Stay true fellas, give the man a break. I watched alot of preseaon games and I even saw Tom Brady look shaky. Its the preseason lighten up.

[patjam77]

gotta agree with you to a point... i'll give ramsey until after this next game coming up but that's it... i was worried before but now i am in full panic mode. the next game is the steelers i think? if thats right i belive both gibbs and cowher will be playing starters at least a full half maybe into thrd quarter. the steelers defense will be make or break for him. if he does well i'll have confidence he can do it when the bears come to town. if he's awful again i'd start brunell and be done with this ramsey experiment... let brunell be avg for a few years till campbell takes over.
next game is huge for all you skins fans like me that believe the skins are only going to turn this thing around if ramsey plays well. so cross your fingers and hold onto your butts.

[SkinsFanInHawai'i]

gotta agree with you to a point... i'll give ramsey until after this next game coming up but that's it... i was worried before but now i am in full panic mode. the next game is the steelers i think? if thats right i belive both gibbs and cowher will be playing starters at least a full half maybe into thrd quarter. the steelers defense will be make or break for him. if he does well i'll have confidence he can do it when the bears come to town. if he's awful again i'd start brunell and be done with this ramsey experiment... let brunell be avg for a few years till campbell takes over.
next game is huge for all you skins fans like me that believe the skins are only going to turn this thing around if ramsey plays well. so cross your fingers and hold onto your butts.

I agree with you, but don't you think Gibbs will atleast let Ramalamadingdong start the regular season?

[DEHog]

OK guys litghten uo on Ramsey!! I mean it took only four plays to boo the guy at FedEx last night. Gibbs is handling this is the right way. Remember Ramsey is not his guy, he brought Brunell in and drafted Campbell. He knows Ramsey is popular here and realizes the mistake he made by letting Brunell play hurt last year. Now Brunell is healthy and playing well. Gibbs will allow Ramsey to sink or swim this year, but in no way will he give Ramsey as long a leash as he did Brunell last year.

As for Ramsey performance last night it was not great or horrible. Gibbs called more passing play for him than he did Brunell and when the season starts the running game will be Ramsey’s best friend. I want to see Ramsey make the next step...he need to start doing the little things that make up a good NFL QB, like throwing the ball away to avoid sacks, throwing the ball into the stands when the receiver is not open in the end zone and seeing the entire field…on the long pass to Patten last night, Royal was running wide open down the middle of the field and would have scored if Ramsey had seen him.

[John Manfreda]

Its preseason who cares. You probably thought we were going to the superbowl under Spurrier.

[Chris Luva Luva]

ke throwing the ball away to avoid sacks, throwing the ball into the stands when the receiver is not open in the end zone and seeing the entire field…on the long pass to Patten last night, Royal was running wide open down the middle of the field and would have scored if Ramsey had seen him.

What worries me is that, Ramsey should have learned this crap by now.

[redskincity]

If it looks like poop, and smells like poop, it must be poop.


Yeah but its preseason. He has to adjust to New Receivers and new protection schemes. Moss and Patten are learning the system also and made some of those catches last night off of pure athleticism. Another thing I noticed is Ramsey has so much time when he steps up in the pocket that he don't know what to do.


Brunell is working with last years receivers so he knows somewhat where they will be on the field. He will not start and he did not play with first stringers


I think once Ramsey he settles down, we will see a new PR at the helm.

Time is all he needs and patience is what some of you need.

[Redskin in Canada]

Time is all he needs and patience is what some of you need.

Why patience? We could self-destroy with -yet- another QB controversy. We could bring Brunell back for another taste of last season's medicine. We could start every game with boos instead of waiting for four plays, an eternity to most in FedEx field.

Patience? Who needs patience? We were the offseason champs for a few seasons in a row over the last decade. We had a better pre-season under Spurrier. Would he take the job back again if we double his original salary? I say we dump Patrick, and Joe for that matter. Let's give Danny the headcoach job if Spurrier turns us down. I am so frustrated that I want results NOW. I do not care if the experiment has a predictable result. For one, the offseason and the pre-season matter to me the most. Who cares about the regular season!

Excuse my manners redskins203 ! Welcome to the board!

[ComebackSkins]

Give him a break. I think he made progress. Let the man get into a rhythm like he did by the end of last year. Remember how he played against the vikings?


I think patrick is trying too hard to keep his job instead of just playing football. He needs to calm down. The job is for him to lose.

[RedskinsFreak]

Patience is a luxury that expires on 9/11/05.

My #1 concern for a preseason game WAS achieved last night -- they were better than they were vs. Carolina.

PS4 (the 4th preseason game) is a throwaway. The regulars just might play less than they did in PS1.

IF Gibbs is having QB questions, next week vs. da Burgh is the week that these questions must be answered.

[crazyhorse1]

I know that there are a lot of Patrick Ramsey fans on this site so I'll try not to offend as many people as I can but come on. 3 interceptions (bad ones at that) to 1 touchdown playing the entire first half of both preseason games. This is not the QB I want going into the season. So what if he threw some deep balls last night(we all knew he could do that) he throws way to many picks and not enough touchdowns. Poor decision making. This has been his story since coming into the league besides the fact that he holds the ball to long and the obvious that he can't move in the pocket. Pat was like this last year too (more interception than TD's) in the limited amount of starts he had. He had like one perfect game last year and now he is our starter again by default (poor play by Brunnell last year and a rookie that needs more snaps). He has no consistency, no game to see the field, and sometimes can't make the adjustment to get the ball to the receiver. We all know deep down that Pat is not a great QB (average at best, a good back-up) and probably will never be one here in Washington. He can't take us to the playoffs. We just keep giving him the benefit of the doubt because of Spurrier, different playbooks, O-line play, and the fact that he hasn't had enough chances to really start but all that is over. Why the loyalty? Has Ramsey really shown us anything besides the fact that he has an arm since he has been here? Gibbs is no dummy...he knew what kind of QB he had prior to coming back to Washington and that is why Brunnell got snatched up so fast in the offseason his first year and we drafted a QB so high in the draft this year. But we all seem to scratch our heads at the moves Gibb's has made at QB thinking that he is trying to dethrown some great QB. Not me..I see it clearly, Patrick Ramsey is no good. Ramsey hasn't changed at all and if he continues to make these mistakes in the preseason he will be either on the bench watching Brunnell play at the start of the season or leading us to another losing season. We need a change at QB to have a chance this year. Does anyone else see this?

Ramsey's played a total of four quarters this pre-season, has thrown for three interceptions and 1 TD, and almost 300 yards. Take a breath. He's played the equivalent of an OK minus game. Brunell didn't play such a good game all last year (at least I don't remember him doing it). Also note: Moss should have caught another of Ram's passes for a TD. It's also true that none of Ramsey's interceptions were caused by poor decisions: his first slipped off his hand. The other two passes were simply missed passes and not that far off the mark. Give him a break. Four quarters of Ok football with great flashes is not a deal breaker.

[1niksder]

Joe Gibbs named Ramsey the starter at the end of last season...

Seem to me that most of you that want Patrick yanked, benched, run out of town, taken outback and shot, or whatever it is this week are the same people that wanted these same actions taken against Brunell last season.

You guys remember Brunell, he's the guy you loved during the 2004 pre-season and were so proud of has our starting QB all the way up to game 4 or 5. After week six he was getting the same comments Ramsey is getting now. By the end of the year no one wanted on the team, some said at any cost.

I was in the "at any cost" camp. Can't seem to find to many of my compadres right now but that doesn't matter, they know who they are.

Everyone thinks Ramsey has to be a worldbeater on the field. I'd like him to be a worldbeater but I know he isn't, I just hope he can consistantly move the chains, cut out the turnovers and be a leader. If we can get that out of him for a year or so we'll be just find.

For those that don't understand the concept of there not being a QB competition this year. let me put it this way, these calls for a QB change are atleast a month early.

It's the pre-season folks, Gibbs said he was going to re-work his playbook, but... do you really think the Skins will be this pass oreinted come September?

We have other issuse other than QB

1. Portis has only 4 touches in this pre-season. I think we should trade him.
2. Ryan Boschetti keeps getting his hands on the ball but hasn't caught on yet. Should be apart of the 1st cuts
3. We all know how Sean Taylor spent his off-season. We'll hold on to him until the final cutdown so he doesn't catch on with anyone else

[NikiH]

niksder hun have you been drinking????

Boschetti actually has shown he deserves to stay. Portis has an elbow issue that they are not taking chances with and Taylor being cut wouldn't help us at all. What about the cap hit that would cause?? I'm hoping this a joke but I guess I'm just missing it. lol

[Punu]

I dont feel that we have had enough time to make this desicion. We let boonell play through half the season before we yanked him... wait till the bmore game...
GO RAMSEY.

[ComebackSkins]

i too thought he was joking at first..but now im not sure. there is no rolling eyes smiley or anything..haha

[NikiH]

We'll just laugh uncomfortably for now comebackskins. lol Until he either admits he was joking or gets backed into the corner and has to say he was joking.