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John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:23 am

This really sums up the Redskins draft and organazation.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2005/nfc_grades.html

gay4pacman · Post by **gay4pacman** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:48 am

Thats a horrible article. I mean an F...cmon they filled needs. what we didnt get at wr in the draft we got via free agency.
This really doesnt sum up the organization and draft.We had a hole at cb and we filled it with a gamebreaker in rogers. Im so glad we drafted defense. Thats what wins championships and gibbs knows that. Yeah a great wr is nice but how many teams that won a superbowl in the past five years had a truly gamebreaking receiver. Patriots?....defense Ravens?....defense I'm sure there are a few out there but redskins fans have to be happy with the bolstering of our defense.

look at the lions they have three "great" receivers now....they had two last year and we still beat them....

You cant look to far into this propaganda from footballs future they have to look in the past before they start telling me about the future.

Reminds me of a joke: A man makes an announcement at a banquet hall:"The clairvoyant meeting has been cancelled due to unforseen circumstances"

Gibbs' Hog · Post by **Gibbs' Hog** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:58 am

Not that the pukes necessarily had a bad draft, but that writer obviously lives in Te-Has and hates the Skins. How does that pompous tard purport to know any better than anyone else? Leave it up to JM to find an obscure football site with a biased draft grade write-up. I only hope we prove that guy dead wrong in a couple months.

Punu · Post by **Punu** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:17 am

yeah manfreda im sure hall of famer Joe Gibbs with 3 Superbowl rings, a crazy playoff winning percentage, an author whos book lies on the desk of Bill Bellicheck and man who was a complete success in another sport all together is an idiot.. yup, he had a bad draft according to these ppl, so i guess he's wrong and dumb cuz they said so. Nope, that man who assembled 3 superbowl monster teams out of anyone he hand picked just totally messed our season up. they summed it up real well... Joe has no plans for us and his judgment on the draft picks and our future is all wrong. :roll:

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:21 am

The original post contains a link to an ignorant review, shared in an ignorant post by an even less informed poster. The first post is just a masochist excuse to feed manic depressive tendencies among some posters in this site.

Our drafted players have not played a single preseason and regular season game and they have been tried, convicted and executed. What a moronic thread!

Nothing as dumb as this post surprises me anymore coming from the original poster.

EasyMoney · Post by **EasyMoney** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:27 am

I am so sick of reading and talking about the stupid draft. GET OVER IT!!! JM, from this point on, until I see you post something I see from almost every other skins fan. You're a cowboys fan. Since you're a cowboys fan I'm completely disregarding everything you post. SUPPORT "your" team. DON'T post links intended to irritate the REAL fans. I don't mean to single anyone out but I hadn't seen a post like this in a long time. You might be a good person JM but you are the WORST skins fan I have ever "seen". I thought the whining was done. I was obviously wrong.

:explode:

WshSkins22 · Post by **WshSkins22** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:31 am

Manfreda will get A LOT of heat if we start winning

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:36 am

EasyMoney wrote: You might be a good person JM

Are you sure? :shock:

EasyMoney wrote: but you are the WORST skins fan I have ever "seen". I thought the whining was done. I was obviously wrong.

What makes you feel that he deserves to ba called a Skins fan? :hmm:

EasyMoney · Post by **EasyMoney** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:40 am

Redskin in Canada wrote:
EasyMoney wrote: You might be a good person JM

Are you sure?

EasyMoney wrote: but you are the WORST skins fan I have ever "seen". I thought the whining was done. I was obviously wrong.

What makes you feel that he deserves to ba called a Skins fan?

RiC, I did say might. :wink:

That's why he's a cowboys fan in my eyes from now on. He doesn't deserve it. I wholeheartedly agree.

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:56 am

I know it's easy to get frustrated with continued negative posts, but we must be careful to give our opinions in a manner that stays within the board guidelines.

Remember, you can shred the content of the post but not the person who posted it.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:59 am

EasyMoney wrote: RiC, I did say might.

"Might" still has a way high degree of probability for me.

EasyMoney wrote:That's why he's a cowboys fan in my eyes from now on. He doesn't deserve it. I wholeheartedly agree.

How do you know it is not a "female" under a male pseudonym? Just asking...

EA7649 · Post by **EA7649** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:02 pm

If they had a good corner than you go for williams but since are back field isn't great thanks to smoot. But i think that ramsy is fine but if rodgers slpped to 25 definately get him

EasyMoney · Post by **EasyMoney** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:04 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
EasyMoney wrote: RiC, I did say might.

"Might" still has a way high degree of probability for me.

EasyMoney wrote:That's why he's a cowboys fan in my eyes from now on. He doesn't deserve it. I wholeheartedly agree.

How do you know it is not a "female" under a male pseudonym? Just asking...

I don't know JM personally so I can't comment on his/her quality as a person. And you're right RiC, I don't know. Either way, he or she is one of the worst Skins fans I've ever seen.

I don't want to make more work for the Mods so I'm going to let this one die. JF, my apologies. That just pissed me off this morning. :oops:

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:12 pm

It happens, and we are all guilty at times, that's why we ALL need gentle reminders sometimes. ;-)

DeathByLinebacker#56 · Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:58 pm

Gibbs is a HOF coach, not a GM and every draft will show that! I love Gibbs, but we need a savy GM no question. :twisted:

WshSkins22 · Post by **WshSkins22** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 5:23 pm

Why is he not good at picking players, havent seen any mistakes by him yet, people are judging by this years draft who knows how successful those players will be we dont know yet, he is the guy who brought Cool

ey in the 3rd and Sean Taylor right?

welch · Post by **welch** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:10 pm

The linked paragraph on the Skins draft and organization might be a good summary, but it is wrong.

We've been through this before:

- Gibbs is winnowing out the players who can't play in his organization

- Gibbs knows players, people, and pro-football. He studies hard, and he coaches hard, and he does not accept lazy effort. That includes lazy-mindedness. Also "me-first" focus.

- Good teams don't necessarily draft glamor players; celebrity glamor players often flop; good-or-better players often don't get picked with the dazzling top few picks. Who was the first overall pick in 1980, when the Redskins drafted Art Monk? Johnny "Lam" Jones, of Texas, an "impact" wide receiver for the Jets, a player even most Jet fans have forgotten.

- The Redskins organization had good scouting under Pardee/Beathard/Gibbs/Casserly. (And they had to, since Beathard and Casserly were always trading away their first round picks...).

- Note that under Gibbs, (a) someone is paying attention to the scouting (remember Don Warren?), and (b) Snyder has quit trying to be the general manager. Both are improvements, and both go along with the Gibbs winnowing process.

- If Gibbs and Cerrato chose to pass on the author's favorite big wide receiver.

skinpride1 · Post by **skinpride1** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:27 pm

I agree with welch!!

skins81 · Post by **skins81** » Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:28 pm

welch wrote:The linked paragraph on the Skins draft and organization might be a good summary, but it is wrong.

We've been through this before:

- Gibbs is winnowing out the players who can't play in his organization

- Gibbs knows players, people, and pro-football. He studies hard, and he coaches hard, and he does not accept lazy effort. That includes lazy-mindedness. Also "me-first" focus.

- Good teams don't necessarily draft glamor players; celebrity glamor players often flop; good-or-better players often don't get picked with the dazzling top few picks. Who was the first overall pick in 1980, when the Redskins drafted Art Monk? Johnny "Lam" Jones, of Texas, an "impact" wide receiver for the Jets, a player even most Jet fans have forgotten.

- The Redskins organization had good scouting under Pardee/Beathard/Gibbs/Casserly. (And they had to, since Beathard and Casserly were always trading away their first round picks...).

- Note that under Gibbs, (a) someone is paying attention to the scouting (remember Don Warren?), and (b) Snyder has quit trying to be the general manager. Both are improvements, and both go along with the Gibbs winnowing process.

- If Gibbs and Cerrato chose to pass on the author's favorite big wide receiver.

And Russ Bolinger. He has been on the scouting staff of the Lions for the last nine years.

Bolinger, who spent 16 years with the Lions, accepted a job with the Washington Redskins. Bolinger's new position will give him a greater role in the overall personnel process in the Redskins' scouting department.

Jimmy_Dunn · Post by **Jimmy_Dunn** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:37 pm

Above average draft - B minus

HIGHLINE HAGLER · Post by **HIGHLINE HAGLER** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:28 pm

I am so sick of reading and talking about the stupid draft. GET OVER IT!!!
THANK YOU!!! To add more fuel to the fire I think that it is worthless to rate a teams' draft picks. We have yet to see these players perform under the stress of the regular season. So why rate someone who has only performed at the collage level? Wait till the end of the season and stop waisting time GUESSING that so-and-so teams' draft picks are rated a A- when they may only be C+ caliber players.

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