Artrell Hawkins??

BRO · Post by **BRO** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:27 pm

http://www.panthers.com/news/newsroomNe ... p?id=17592

I think the Skins should take a look at this guy. Hawkins is is a good player with a lot of starting experience. I know we have a gap at the CB position but with Springs,Hawkins,Harris, and Wilds I think we would be set. I go to high school with Hawkins' brother and have met Atrell a few times.He's a real nice guy , would fit the "Gibbs" player stereotype, and really wouldn't be too expensive.

What do you think????

redskins12287 · Post by **redskins12287** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:31 pm

His stats aren't great, but if he will come cheap I say why not.

JDC · Post by **JDC** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:35 pm

You know you're the only person recommending him and you go to H.S. with his brother and know him. I'm not saying we shouldn't sign him, but convince me other than the reasoning that you know the guy and his brother. You aren't exactly an "unbiased opinion" on Hawkins, you know what I mean?

Hogfather · Post by **Hogfather** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:37 pm

redskins12287 wrote:His stats aren't great, but if he will come cheap I say why not.

The going phrase for the off-season "If he will come cheap, I say why not." LOL I think we'll be saying that to just about everyone these days and we will grow tired of it soon enough, but hey if they come cheap why not :mrgreen:

BRO · Post by **BRO** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:42 pm

The guy has started in the NFL for six years and can play.The only reason I mentioned knowing his brother is to say that he's a good guy and won't be getting into trouble like half the other players in the league.

JDC · Post by **JDC** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:22 pm

I hear you. How fast is he? Why did Carolina dump him, did he have a high cap number?

SkinsHead56 · Post by **SkinsHead56** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:30 pm

redskins12287 wrote:His stats aren't great, but if he will come cheap I say why not.

Wasen't this the Team motto in Arizona & Cinncinati?

FanofallthatisGibbs · Post by **FanofallthatisGibbs** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:22 pm

FYI - from Clayton on ESPN.com

Clayton's analysis: No surprise from the Carolina list of cuts. Artrell Hawkins was released the day before the Panthers signed Seahawks cornerback Ken Lucas. That should have been a tipoff that something was happening. Lucas and Chris Gamble are the starters and Ricky Manning Jr. is the nickel, leaving no spot for Hawkins, whose release saves the Panthers $1 million. They released quarterback Rodney Peete and guard Doug Brzeninski for a combined savings of $2.5 million. Throw in wide receiver Muhsin Muhammad and they've saved more than $15 million of cap room, but the Panthers were hurt by Muhammad's signing with the Bears. They offered close to what the Bears offered.

End quote..

I personally say $1 million is fantastic price for a 6-year veteran CB. Let's grab him unless someone from Carolina can point out how bad he is. Carolina's D has been good for a few years now...

SKINSLOVER · Post by **SKINSLOVER** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:15 pm

ill pass

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:30 pm

We don't need corners even with the loss of Smoot. We need a big possession reciever.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:48 pm

I'll pass on this guy.

I don't think we need to draft a CB with our 1st pick, let alone pick one up with our lack of funds.
We need to use the guys we have on board and pick a good prospect later in the draft. We have bigger needs/concerns on our teams before CB.

CcHhDd · Post by **CcHhDd** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:52 pm

I disagree, i think our biggest need is corner. I think our recievers are in a better condition than the cornerback spot. We have patten moss and thrash, who had a great end of the season, and filled in nice in the coles role (WR screens and such). I would like to see us pick up a WR but that can happen next year. Right now we need to stay with what's strong and that's our defense. Defense kept us in a lot of games last year when the offense wasn't doing squat. I think we have to sure up that other corner spot, because having a good corner makes blitzing more effective. If the qb drops back and his WR is covered for the first 5 seconds, by the sixth , he's being sacked by one of the 7 guys up front. Hawkins sounds like a good pick up, and Andre Dyson is still out there. I think these guys would be money better spent than to pick up Courtney Brown

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:55 pm

CcHhDd wrote:I disagree, i think our biggest need is corner. I think our recievers are in a better condition than the cornerback spot. We have patten moss and thrash, who had a great end of the season, and filled in nice in the coles role (WR screens and such). I would like to see us pick up a WR but that can happen next year. Right now we need to stay with what's strong and that's our defense. Defense kept us in a lot of games last year when the offense wasn't doing squat. I think we have to sure up that other corner spot, because having a good corner makes blitzing more effective. If the qb drops back and his WR is covered for the first 5 seconds, by the sixth , he's being sacked by one of the 7 guys up front. Hawkins sounds like a good pick up, and Andre Dyson is still out there. I think these guys would be money better spent than to pick up Courtney Brown

CB is a need, but I wouldn't moreso than a DE. I believe that a good pass rush is critical to the success of a CB. We didn't have a good pass rush with only our front four last season.

Cooley47 · Post by **Cooley47** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:04 am

if he comes cheap then we could have him for a year or two

redskindave · Post by **redskindave** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:09 am

I think I would pass on this guy, His stats arent very good plus we can pick up someone in the draft

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:26 am

I want to wait until the June cuts to see who shakes loose before we blow any money on the secondary.
If the season started tomorrow, I could see going after this guy, if only for depth. It doesn't, though.
If John Fox (who is a defensive-minded guy, by all accounts) saw no useful purpose in keeping this guy, why should we ?

Washingtons#1fan · Post by **Washingtons#1fan** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 11:47 am

redskindave wrote:I think I would pass on this guy, His stats arent very good plus we can pick up someone in the draft

I agree wait for draft day BUT the skins should not use the 9th pick to do it.

stwasm · Post by **stwasm** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:12 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
CcHhDd wrote:I disagree, i think our biggest need is corner. I think our recievers are in a better condition than the cornerback spot. We have patten moss and thrash, who had a great end of the season, and filled in nice in the coles role (WR screens and such). I would like to see us pick up a WR but that can happen next year. Right now we need to stay with what's strong and that's our defense. Defense kept us in a lot of games last year when the offense wasn't doing squat. I think we have to sure up that other corner spot, because having a good corner makes blitzing more effective. If the qb drops back and his WR is covered for the first 5 seconds, by the sixth , he's being sacked by one of the 7 guys up front. Hawkins sounds like a good pick up, and Andre Dyson is still out there. I think these guys would be money better spent than to pick up Courtney Brown

CB is a need, but I wouldn't moreso than a DE. I believe that a good pass rush is critical to the success of a CB. We didn't have a good pass rush with only our front four last season.

Unfortunately, there are no defensive ends in the draft of value at the #9 position. We could pick up an Adam "Pac Man" Jones or an Antrell Rolle to join Springs, Harris, Wilds and company with that pick. We can get a pash-rusher in the third round. Plus, I anticipate we'll be receiving an extra pick or two soon with the pending Gardner trade.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:58 pm

stwasm wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
CcHhDd wrote:I disagree, i think our biggest need is corner. I think our recievers are in a better condition than the cornerback spot. We have patten moss and thrash, who had a great end of the season, and filled in nice in the coles role (WR screens and such). I would like to see us pick up a WR but that can happen next year. Right now we need to stay with what's strong and that's our defense. Defense kept us in a lot of games last year when the offense wasn't doing squat. I think we have to sure up that other corner spot, because having a good corner makes blitzing more effective. If the qb drops back and his WR is covered for the first 5 seconds, by the sixth , he's being sacked by one of the 7 guys up front. Hawkins sounds like a good pick up, and Andre Dyson is still out there. I think these guys would be money better spent than to pick up Courtney Brown

CB is a need, but I wouldn't moreso than a DE. I believe that a good pass rush is critical to the success of a CB. We didn't have a good pass rush with only our front four last season.

Unfortunately, there are no defensive ends in the draft of value at the #9 position. We could pick up an Adam "Pac Man" Jones or an Antrell Rolle to join Springs, Harris, Wilds and company with that pick. We can get a pash-rusher in the third round. Plus, I anticipate we'll be receiving an extra pick or two soon with the pending Gardner trade.

That is something Ive been thinking about. If we can pick up C Brown then that'll change some things. I think Pacman and the others are good corners, but for a 1st round pick, i want the next d. green. none of these guys strike me as playmakers. thats just my opinion, i dont kno much about them so my opinion isn't weighted.

this is a weird draft for us.

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:13 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote: this is a weird draft for us.

I don't know about that. It's only weird if we draft like, a kicker in the first round.

Everything else will fill a void. We could always use an extra whatever. Gibbs will evaluate who is still around when we pick, and choose accordingly.
Hopefully, not another early Desmond Howard.

DeathByLinebacker#56 · Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:39 pm

The Skins will probably bring in another corner either free agent or draft and let them compete for the position opposite Springs. :twisted: